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Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria.
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Hows life everyone? As some of you may know im leaving for hawaii this tuesday, and I cant wait to post my experiences for the curious. Ill be living on the north shore of Kauai which is called the garden island. Ill be a few miles from a large cattle ranch with all the copelandia cyanescens dreamable.
Nonetheless, i have a question for anybody whos knows anything about hawaiian Muscaria.
I know they grow pretty abundently in areas, and i know the variety are the yellow formosa. I was just wondering if its safe to eat the entire mushroom, and if its even worth hunting them. Ive heard that its best to peel of the yellow skin, but that seems impossible.
Also, In Vermont I've found this same species of yellow muscaria and tried to get a trip of them at least 10 times. Once, i actually got the effects and most definately had some visual distortion.
This might seem like a dumb question too, but do the effects of muscimol last longer than reg mushrooms?
If any body has had experience with these musrooms, please insight me. I am curious and i really want to feel the Muscarias power. any insight, or knowlege. fire.
Peace my brosephs.

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: eyevelostmymynd]
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i can offer nothing but a bon voyage.:grin:
hope you have a most enjoyable experience

-E


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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: eyevelostmymynd]
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Be absolutely positive of your identification before eating these!! There a number of deadly poisonous mushrooms in the genus Amanita.

You do not need to peel the skin- that is just another myth.
What you DO need to do, is cook or dry- preferrably heat dry- the mushroom fully in order to convert the much more toxic ibotenic acid into muscimol, which is considered responsible for the mind altering effects.
You can eat the entire mushroom. But remember, be POSITIVE of your identification!


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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: CureCat]
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Bon voyage is good enough :wink:.
And cure cat. That is some good info thanks, ive never read anywhere to heat up the mushroom. Is there any preffered method? I guess i just dont want to lose any of the alkaloids, cause i love alkaloids.
I think i remember hearing somewhere that if you put mushrooms under a black or dark tshirt in the sun it will dry them out pretty well. i guess ill just do that.
And i know my aminatas good enough to not die. Ive read alot, and i always take the highest level of precaution, Its something that needs to be done a lot more when messing with mushrooms esp. Amanitas. Silly people need to saw some skull of their heads.
But thanks alot, good info.

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: eyevelostmymynd]
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In my opinion, the best way to dry Amanitas is by cutting them into 1in x 1/2in strips and putting them into the oven on a non-stick surface at a low temp (around 200 degrees). If the oven temperature is too hot, the mushrooms will cook and the alkaloid containing juice will leak out, yet if you do not heat dry, there is less chance for all or most of the ibotenic acid to convert into muscimol.

As mentioned before, no need to remove the gills, tissue on the pielus, nor the volva.


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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: eyevelostmymynd]
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The Fly Agaric, Amanita muscaria (L.) Hooker, which is known to have been used in the traditional rituals of several tribal societies (Wasson, l968), is sometimes employed for recreational use in the Pacific Northwest of the United States and elsewhere (Ott, 1978; Weil, l977). This agaric has been recently found growing in symbiosis with introduced Pine tree plantations in the montane region of Kaua'i near Koke'e and Pelihale.

All the coprophilous fungi species referred to above contain indole alkaloids; in contrast, A. muscaria contains ibotenic acid and muscimol, which have different physiological and mind-altering effects than psilocybin and psilocin (Schultes and Hoffman, l980).

I should point out that since I wrote that paper in 1991, only three collections since, were made.

It is only known of from two locations on Kuaui. It is not common as you suggest and the Pine trees were brought to the island in the late 1800s.

mj

Also, Do not get caught trespassing on Kuaui. If you see farmers on tractors in a field, and the fields are large, duck. And It is the Red Amanitra muscaria, not var. formosa on the island.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (04/12/07 02:14 PM)

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: mjshroomer]
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Good Luck and be safe, I have never experimented in amanita.

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: mjshroomer]
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I Have never experimented with aminita either, i have tried, but always failed. Mushroom John and everyone else thanks alot. I will be very careful with mushrooms and also with trespassiing. And finally ill be able to try the mario mushrooms.
Thanks for the perfect information, i can now travel with confidence and direction.
peace and love

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: CureCat]
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> What you DO need to do, is cook or dry- preferrably heat dry- the mushroom fully in order to convert the much more toxic ibotenic acid into muscimol, which is considered responsible for the mind altering effects

My favorite thing to do with Amanita muscaria is to boil the whole mushroom in a big pot of water for 5-10 minutes, then take it out and fry it in butter.

David Arora prepared some in this way for me a couple months ago and they were very inactive and tasty!

All the hallucinogenic ibotenic acid ends up in the water, which David Arora throws away.

He boils the mushrooms for ten minutes to make sure they aren't psychoactive when he feeds them to people, however he says that almost all the toxins are concentrated near the red skin of the mushroom, and shorter boiling times also work.

Edited by Alan Rockefeller (04/12/07 06:45 PM)

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Re: Kauai, Hawaii Muscaria. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Interestingly, the Siberians, as well as the finns and Lapps who use these shrooms ritualistically, and the Noerth american Indian tribe who uses them never boil the mushrooms. They sun dry them or roast dry them over an open fire. I do know that boiling the mushroom can be and then dipping [pot int he liquid residueand rolled and smoke tends to give users a speedy high with bright colors outlined in pastels.

mj

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