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Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation
    #6731703 - 03/31/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

For a few weeks now, I've been free of marijuana with no problem. I used to smoke multiple times daily for months on end, and quitting it required practically no will power at all. However, when I quit marijuana, my use of hallucinogenics went up drastically, until I was tripping for four days straight.

So after all that tripping, I saw life more clearly, and realized that quitting marijuana was so easy as to be a joke, but now I plan on quitting nicotine also as of today. I expect this to be at least slightly harder than quitting marijuana, yet still plan to use the abrupt cessation technique.

The hallucinogens also warned me I should quit them, even though some of the hallucinogens are legal (mostly), like telepathine and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, but the hallucinogens say they will not get me anywhere. Regardless, nicotine cessation has already been made easier by the use of telepathine, as after tripping for three or four days straight last week, using it once last night makes it so that I continue to have that afterglow and hallucinations for days. It also gives me the enhanced "mind over matter" perspective necessary to strive on with mindfulness.

Anyways, for people who have been addicted to nicotine as well as habituated to marijuana (as I wouldn't call it a physical addiction, seeing as it had absolutely no physical withdrawal symptoms), would you say that marijuana was much easier to cease than nicotine? And do hallucinogens actually help you stop doing all drugs? I believe myself capable of doing it regardless, as I'm focusing on meditation so as to make my mind more aware of triggers and the present, but nevertheless nicotine is a tricky pesticide.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6731720 - 03/31/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I find dissociatives seem to work real well for breaking addictions  :yesnod:


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Muppet]
    #6731969 - 03/31/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I've never been a heavy stoner but I used to be an alcoholic for a few months at least and I now have absolutely no problem staying off drink, it's easy I don't even enjoy it at all infact I find it disgusting now.

the only thing I am addicted to now if cigarettes, I only smoke about 5-8 per day but I'm having trouble quitting.
It's definetely harder for me to quit cigs than booze.


Buy I can't answer your question cause I've hardly ever smoked marijuana.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6731976 - 03/31/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quitting nicotine was much, much harder than quitting marijuana in my experience. I was a daily smoker of marijuana for about five years. I was addicted to nicotine for about three years and addicted to smoking meth for over a year. The first three days without ciggs was harder than the first three days without meth. After those first three days the ciggs were no problem though. You sound like you are pretty serious about quitting ciggs, it's really worth doing, the feeling of freedom alone makes it worth while.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Neon]
    #6731983 - 03/31/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I qiut cigs for about 5 weeks back at Christmas time last year...but I started again and just can't seem to find enough will power to stick to quitting again......


I'm constantly buying cigarettes and throwing them away to quit then buying more again......


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6732029 - 03/31/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quitting marijuana was a releif for me, as I did not really enjoy it that much.

Quitting nicotine is a releif too, but it takes a little longer to realize it. I would suggest making it a constant goal to avoid smoking...whether it takes you a day or your whole life. Don't try too hard though...don't make yourself crazy. That doesn't mean you can't stop right away, just relax though. I say this because I used to smoke one, then say "screw it" and start smoking like crazy. So for me it meant to always take baby steps.

Ketamine is doing really hot in some study I read about for treating addictions. I suspect salvia would help too.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Neon]
    #6734724 - 04/01/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed. I'm already on my second day without a cigarette, and still have very minor cravings to smoke. I think if you're serious about breaking a habit, whether it's smoking cigarettes, getting drunk every night, smoking cannabis multiple times daily or what have you, it becomes just that much easier. The people who seem to fail at their cessation attempts are usually the ones who don't put their entire will power into changing the habit.

Whenever I've felt a craving to smoke a cigarette for the past two days, I just smoke a joint of passionflower instead. It definitely helps to smoke a small amount of telepathine and reinsert your mind's control over your body.

Although it might be too soon to say, two days without cigarettes is surprisingly easy. Perhaps withdrawals get worse later on, but so far nicotine cessation has been quite easy. I imagine that nicotine gum or patches would only make it harder to quit smoking, since you're still stimulating those pleasure areas of your brain in relation to nicotine, which can be nothing more than a trigger in my opinion. For people who have to quit, they should just swim or sink, but perhaps not everyone can succeed in that manner.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6736155 - 04/01/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you make it three days you're pretty much home free. Quitting smoking is fucking easy.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6736337 - 04/01/07 09:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It's easy, but it's hard to not decide to start again. Mark Twain said "It's easy to quit smoking; I've done it a thousand times". That's why I said make it a constant resolution and don't just start again because you've had one or two. Have you only quit once?


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Epigallo]
    #6738349 - 04/02/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I've only quit smoking once. After about two weeks without a cigarette they began to repulse me. I've never had an urge to smoke a cigarette since. The smell still makes me a little sick. I don't know why I react to cigarettes this way, but I am thankful.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6738416 - 04/02/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

When I decided to quit I used a nicotine patch the first day, but I was just too disgusted with nicotine at that point so I decided to quit cold turkey. I didn't see any good reason why I should stretch out the quitting process. By now your nicotine withdrawal should be over or nearly over.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6738459 - 04/02/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I stopped smoking after 10 years of steady 3/4-2-pack-a-day.

Never thought about it--BUT I had to be seriously, honestly ready to do it.

It's been 5 years now, and I did start smoking again last year, for about three months or so-- spurred on by smoking while I was tripping. My girlfriend smokes, and the combo proved irresistable.

After I got back into it, and felt my health degrade before my eyes, I quit again, and am happy to know how shitty it made me feel, so I can use the memory to bar any future relapses.

Best of luck-- the result is well worth the effort!


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Epigallo]
    #6748254 - 04/04/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I only have to quit once really. If I put my mind to something, especially something reinforced while under an intense hallucinogenic experience (which gave me a negative reinforcement against smoking) then it's not too hard.

It might be harder if you smoke for decades, but I would never have gone that far, as my body alerts me to the decay of my health too explicitly to accept smoking for decades of my life.

Anyway, I was just wondering how addictive nicotine really was, since I've seen studies that say it's more addictive than heroin, yet in the end I didn't find it to be all that addictive at all. Perhaps I don't have an addictive personality or something, but it was kind of a let-down.

Although I did end up getting some fucking splitting headaches on the third and fourth day, I believe from nicotine withdrawals, but those went away quickly with the aid of some ibuprofen.

Now I plan on experimenting with telepathine and DMT without fear of nicotine constricting my blood vessels on the journey, though I'm sure it'll be just as terrifying or beautiful anyway.


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Ravus]
    #6748280 - 04/04/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Whenever I've felt a craving to smoke a cigarette for the past two days, I just smoke a joint of passionflower instead. It definitely helps to smoke a small amount of telepathine and reinsert your mind's control over your body.




Passionflower contains telepathine?


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6748398 - 04/04/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Whenever I've felt a craving to smoke a cigarette for the past two days, I just smoke a joint of passionflower instead. It definitely helps to smoke a small amount of telepathine and reinsert your mind's control over your body.




Passionflower contains telepathine?




Anyone ever consider whether mixing passionflower with oral dmt would work?


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Re: Abrupt Thc vs Nicotine Cessation [Re: Epigallo]
    #6772139 - 04/10/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It's much weaker. You would need a massive and unwieldly extraction, so no, I doubt that would be the best course to go about attaining telepathine in doses required for DMT to reach your brain.


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