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Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue?
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On a community as large as the Shroomery there are bound to be a number of members who are underage. What is your opinion?


members who are seriously suspected to be underage are banned on sight, no exceptions

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How many Shroomerites do you think are underage? (17 or younger)
You may choose only one
How many Shroomerites you think are very underage? (15 or younger)
You may choose only one
What is your opinion on this?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 04/10/07 01:23 PM until the end of time
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll



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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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minor than 17: 1 in 25
minor than 15: 1 in 100

and there should be no minors here... not that i have anything against them, but they pose a certain risk to the community...


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I say if a minor wants to corrupt themselves by spending their days wallowing away in OTD - then fucken let em



we need more corruption of little kids  :smirk:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: In(di)go]
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Ythan was 15 when he made this site

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2&Number=6752942&Board=7&what=showflat&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Ythan was 15 when he made this site


i know... but it certainly didn't have as much attention from the media and/or government back then... if anything like ripper should happen again and it just happens to be an underage kid, this site will be in for some real trouble...

it doesn't even have to go that far... if some parents find out their kid is growing shrooms and gets his information from this site, a lawsuit is not that far around the corner...


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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However many there are here they should clear out and come back when they're 18.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I think that 1:10 are <17yo, 1:25 are <15yo and there should be no minors whatsoever.

Aside from legal issues the Shroomery is a community that revolves around drug use and thats no place for a minor and especially a kid to hang out.

In the 1980s and 1990s in Holland you could buy a beer or buy legal marijuana at the age of 16. From a practical point of view I would have no problems with it if the age limit for Shroomery membership were lowered from 18 to 16, but that's the edge.

In my view, ideally, psychedelics shouldn't even enter one's life before age 23-25 or so, when you've already established your role in society. Ideally, even 18 is too young I think, but like the saying goes: "when Ifs and Buts were candy and nuts, what a wonderful christmas it would be"

I think a sizable minority here is 15yo and younger, and that worries me a great deal.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: In(di)go]
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In(di)go said:
i know... but it certainly didn't have as much attention from the media and/or government back then... if anything like ripper should happen again and it just happens to be an underage kid, this site will be in for some real trouble...


I heard about the Ripper thing, but I heard that The Shroomery got virtually no mention; and what other kinds of attention do we get?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I wouldn't want minors to be going in OTD. Or the Cult forums. They can learn about peoples experiences, but i wouldn't want to teach a child how to grow something. When a kid gets in trouble it fucks up there lives for a long time. But i feel they should be able to get knowledge from the hunting forum and the gourmet and medicinal forum. I wouldn't want them going to the market place either.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I think 1 in 4 if not more are underage. So I voted perhaps more. It doesn't bother me as long as they act at least as mature as us monkeys.

I joined back when I was 16 and looking back I'm really surprised I didn't get banned. It was painfully obvious I was too young.  :shuffle:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
I heard about the Ripper thing, but I heard that The Shroomery got virtually no mention; and what other kinds of attention do we get?


the shroomery got virtually no mention because of the hard work of our admins... and it's true that we don't get any other attention, but that can change in a heartbeat... and the age disclaimer on the front page wouldn't exist you can bet your ass it could change even faster...


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I'm sympathetic to minors being here, since most activity these forum's talk about is illegal no matter what age you are


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: In(di)go]
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What's the point of putting "blank votes" in a poll?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: DNKYD]
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This site makes everyone agree to a disclaimer that they are of the correct age, surely this negates liability? There are definitely underage members here and unless they are sensible they will inevitably make themselves obvious. Ripper wasn't underage though was he? I wasn't here when that happened but I remember hearing about it, shit I have the chat room transcript as a pdf kicking about somewhere. To me that shows that some of our non-underage members themselves are liabilities.

There are effective measures of reducing underage members that would be beneficial to the site, like having to make a small donation for registration. Obviously a few would still slip through but hopefully a system like that would help curb the flow, I would happily donate just to keep my account. Just ideas. If the site's disclaimer is water tight and states about the information on the site being presented as entertainment and/or for research purposes and is not intended to encourage anyone we should be ok. I'd hate to see overgrow happen all over again.


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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: In(di)go]
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This bar got stormed by police. Looking for underage people. They found 4 out of the 30 people there to be underage. So you know it is a real issue in some ways. I say they shouldn't regulate what is shaired out here in the ether. They can try and they are and will probably always will try to.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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I'd pay $20 a year to keep my account....






....but no more.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I know there are a lot of minors on this site, everyone starts their drug use sometime and it's usually in the teen years when it happens. I can agree with the fact that kids under the age of 16 shouldn't be using chemicals, i might even go so far as saying wait til your 18, but 2 yrs to me doesn't make all that much of a difference.

I understand the legal implications behind having minors on a site like this so i stand behind the rules about banning them until the proper age. However, sometimes these minors really do have something to contribute to the community. While it's obvious the majority of younger people act like fucking retards, there are the few gems in the bunch who shouldn't be ostricized because of their retarded peers.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Brewmaster]
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What's this ripper business about?

I'd say as long as people are responsible and intelligent enough to not make themselves seem like stupid 15 year olds who like getting high, there's no problem. If they can be singled out as underage, a person has probably posted sufficient nonsense to warrant a ban anyway.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: coda]
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As I said though, the ones that are valuable contributors to the site are hopefully smart enough to avoid being caught by us or any of their peers. 16/18 I'm not sure about that, I'm 20 now and I've been using drugs since I was 15 but I don't know if that's a reflection on me or society.


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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"

Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I don't think the issue here is maturity. We can all agree that there are going to be minors who would be able to contribute just as well as most, and better than some, members who are 18 years or older. Unfortunately there would be legal ramifications, like stated before, that could come if someone under 18 got in trouble and it could be linked to this site. Due to the nature of the Shroomery, no one here needs that.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: jewunit]
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1 in 10
1 in 50
no minors, no exceptions.

edit: i wish we could find out the real numbers.. it could be like a "guess the number of jelly beans" contest


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Edited by tiny_rabid_birds (04/10/07 02:02 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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Although I don't entirely agree with the presence of minors another part of me is consumed with another concept. In my younger days Erowid was a massive life line for me, It would be wrong not to assist someone regardless of age if they were in need of help or serious assistance. Though I don't doubt if and when that situation occurs that the members of this site would be understanding.


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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"

Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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Then they can go to Erowid, like you said. And if their life is in danger they can call poison control or go to the hospital, that would be the advice people here would give anyway.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Ythan was 15 when he made this site

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2&Number=6752942&Board=7&what=showflat&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1


That was back before a number of legal issues happened that drew attention to the site. Since some major things popped up, the Shroomery has had to get legal advice. If you want to be able to post in this wonderful community, we are not allowed to have minors posting here.

Two words: Major Liability.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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j3ckyl said:
This site makes everyone agree to a disclaimer that they are of the correct age, surely this negates liability?


To me it the issue is less about liability than about unwanted attention.

If there is a high-profile incident involving a minor hurting himself (or someone else) and this site is referenced as an influence, The Shroomery (or perhaps magic mushrooms themselves) could be demonized in the news, and who knows what repercussions that will have for the site or for those who post about illegal activities.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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This doesn't sound very fair, but I dont think American or Canadian minors should be admitted. European teens can drink beer or go on a 4 week vacation all over the EU etc without consent of their parents. Americans can't drink until 21 and can't leave the border without written parental consent until 18. European teens are a different beast than American teens.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: YidakiMan]
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YidakiMan said:
This doesn't sound very fair, but I dont think American or Canadian minors should be admitted. European teens can drink beer or go on a 4 week vacation all over the EU etc without consent of their parents. Americans can't drink until 21 and can't leave the border without written parental consent until 18. European teens are a different beast than American teens.


Not really:

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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You can tell on irc #shroomery there are a lot of minors here.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: theuser]
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My opinion is: if they're here, let em stay. They could use the advice from various members here. They can get their facts straight this way. I mean it's not like there's an age limit on anything illegal so why should this be any different?

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Newbie]
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only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I have nothing against underages users, per se as long as they act mature on these forums.

What worries me is that if mom and dad catch said minor on the shroomery, it could result in a legal shitstorm.

Mommy and daddy may feel their precious baby was corrupted by the Shroomery ( never mind precious baby was corrupted long before he discovered the Shroomery probably) and try to shut us down.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.



if everyone just does this then there should be no problem.

If they reveal themselves report it. Short of blindly banning people who just may act immature, its the only way really.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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1 in 25
1 in 100

I personaly don't care so long as liability doesn't reflect on the shroomery and they have content in their posts. Which I'm pretty sure the disclaimer and ban policy negates any liability.

Another point I'd like to make is that minors have easier access to drugs than cigarettes and alcohol. Considering that and the fact that this place is designed for accurate drug information and the safety involved, it's the best place for a young drug user to be.


To all the minors that are here...
Don't give yourself away and don't be an idiot. Lurk around and find a safe responsible way to use before you fuck your life up. Better yet, quit.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said:
What's this ripper business about?

I'd say as long as people are responsible and intelligent enough to not make themselves seem like stupid 15 year olds who like getting high, there's no problem. If they can be singled out as underage, a person has probably posted sufficient nonsense to warrant a ban anyway.


i agree with that statement for the most part. but on top of that we need to educate youth above anyone else about drugs seeing as they seem be be completely reckless and stupid as to what they put in their bodies. As long as they dont post stupid shit, and dont provide disinformation, i dont have a problem with minors on the site.

And for me, age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, or maturity whatsoever. i bet theres a 14 year old who knows way more about drugs and their effects on the body than I do out there. Minors on the shroomery arent a plague or even much of a problem in my eyes. They can just be annoying little retards occasionally. But then again, so can anyone regaurdless of age.

so for me, i dont really care about the minors.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I think if there are minors on this site who can be smart and responsible and not TELL ANYONE that they are minors, then there should be no problem.

The problem lies when some dumbass 16 year old is growing shrooms in the closet of his parents' house like an idiot, they find it, they call the cops, the investigation begins, the shroomery is BLAMED. All it takes is one group of crazy like-minded parents to start some sort of campaign against sites like ours....

So yeah, responsibility (and by that I mean not doing stupid shit like trying to cultivate under your parents roof without their approval) is k3y.

Edited by adrug (04/10/07 04:32 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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it's not like "we" could really stop it, so unless you know for a fact that someone's a minor we just have to assume the truth is being told.

I think allot of kids could get useful information here, and there is enough places on the internet which is far worse for a kid to wander into. If the parents dont monitor the kids they are free to see everything wonderful and horrible the internet has to offer.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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I am going to have to agree with most of the people here and say it is a major issue that needs dealt with.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
I am going to have to agree with most of the people here and say it is a major issue that needs dealt with.



suimush said:
only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.


it really is all we as a whole can do.


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Edited by sui (04/10/07 05:21 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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I would say no minors period. Too much heat if mommy or daddy happens to be a senator or in congress(politics etc) and finds out.

PS is there not a fool proof way yet to ID over the net?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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How 'bout: only cool minors?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said:
I would say no minors period. Too much heat if mommy or daddy happens to be a senator or in congress(politics etc) and finds out.

PS is there not a fool proof way yet to ID over the net?


i agree but how do u propose to stop them from registering out of their own free will and lying about their age?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
How 'bout: only cool minors?


no minors. period.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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Minor Watch

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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The only way I can think of would be to require a credit card. That would make a lot of people feel unsafe joining though.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
The only way I can think of would be to require a credit card.  That would make a lot of people feel unsafe joining though.


I agree.

Only thing we can do is report it when minors reveal themselves.......



You guys hear a record playing?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
The only way I can think of would be to require a credit card. That would make a lot of people feel unsafe joining though.


Even though you could be tracked down eventually through other avenues, that's just something I really don't feel comfortable with. Not to mention I think having money exchange (or at least the potential) here would raise red flags.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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I wonder how many of you who posted in this thread are minors. :shiftyeyes:

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Flop Johnson]
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MoeRon said:
Legend9123 said:
The only way I can think of would be to require a credit card. That would make a lot of people feel unsafe joining though.


Even though you could be tracked down eventually through other avenues, that's just something I really don't feel comfortable with. Not to mention I think having money exchange (or at least the potential) here would raise red flags.



yeah i wouldnt want that kind of info involved with drugs in any form.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
Legend9123 said:
The only way I can think of would be to require a credit card.  That would make a lot of people feel unsafe joining though.


I agree.

Only thing we can do is report it when minors reveal themselves.......



You guys hear a record playing?


:lol:


It might be even broken.  I saw your first post I am just saying other avenues that don't seem likely.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
I wonder how many of you who posted in this thread are minors. :shiftyeyes:



i think most of the minors steered clear from this thread. Aside from lurking.

i bet there was one or two, maybe.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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Suuure, you're just trying to throw me off your track! :smirk:

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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Why do you need to be 18 to use this site, again? I'm talking about the WHOLE site.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
Suuure, you're just trying to throw me off your track! :smirk:


damn you got me.


you sherlock you. :sherlock:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
Suuure, you're just trying to throw me off your track! :smirk:


I knew it!  suimush is underage.  Must ban.  :tongue:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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Because people under 18 in the United States are under the legal guardianship of their parents. Say some 16 year old who lived with mom and dad tried growing mushrooms in his closet without their consent and mom and dad found the grow op. Maybe the parents decide to investigate where he learned such a thing and find out that an internet site is freely and knowingly giving out specific advice to minors. Maybe 16 year old is afraid of retribution from his parents and tells them right away where he found the information. Maybe dear old mom is an activist deep down at heart and after discovering where the information was coming from, she knows it is her duty to see that sites like the Shroomery (which are threatening her precious innocent little angel of a child) must be STOPPED. :shrug:

I can see it. Its a 'better safe than sorry' rule as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Why do you need to be 18 to use this site, again? I'm talking about the WHOLE site.


how do u suppose we restrict certain forums by age?

you have to be 18 cause we talk about drugs. All the time. lol


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
JunkFood said:
Why do you need to be 18 to use this site, again? I'm talking about the WHOLE site.


how do u suppose we restrict certain forums by age?

you have to be 18 cause we talk about drugs. All the time. lol


Pretty much the concept behind the WHOLE site even.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
JunkFood said:
Why do you need to be 18 to use this site, again? I'm talking about the WHOLE site.


how do u suppose we restrict certain forums by age?

you have to be 18 cause we talk about drugs. All the time. lol


All we have to do is put the little red disclaimer on the drug-related forums...and in some countries you don't have to be 18 to be involved with the drug-related stuff we're involved with, right?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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Yeah but then you would have to add stuff to check for countries and what not. The 18 and over rule is there for good reason and should be followed.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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The Shroomery server is located in the United States, which means it is subject to the laws of this country. If we moved the server to say, Holland, it might not be a big deal anymore, but until then, its better safe than sorry. Would you rather have a shroomery with minors or no shroomery at all?

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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A christian Activist group would be formed with a clever acronym.

MASS
Mothers Against the Shroomery Service

they would lobby and protest all the while attract negetive attention to the shroomery, There would be tv coverage, the internet and MANY MANY other forums would go crazy. The cops would start investigating a possible threat here...


then one thing would lead to another and........


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You know it's already been around for a decade, right?



Unfortunately that is by no means a guarantee of safety.

One day we'll click www.shroomery.org and be greeted by the infamous DEA screen. The USA seems to become less and less democratic and freedoms seem to become less and less important.
One day our number will be up. :frown:


from, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6430604


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Edited by sui (04/10/07 06:02 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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You do realize you linked to a reply to page right?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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1 in 10 are underage and I think 1 in 50 are VERY underage.

Underage people should not be here, no ifs, ands or buts about it

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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well i said 1 in 25 and 1 in 100. and i dont mind them being here as long as they arent stupid enough to say it. and i can honestly say this as i turned 18 just this week lol


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
You do realize you linked to a reply to page right?



:lol: fixed.


thanx.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: rubixcubies]
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rubixcubies said:
well i said 1 in 25 and 1 in 100. and i dont mind them being here as long as they arent stupid enough to say it. and i can honestly say this as i turned 18 just this week lol


you had perfect timing then huh :lol:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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No problem.  I just clicked it and was like, :wtf:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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I'll be completely honest:

I'm 19, but if I was underage I'd use the site anyway and just not tell anyone............OBVIOUSLY :cool:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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And you may get away with you you may not. We still have to make a valiant effort at keeping underage users off of the Shroomery though.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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If an underage kid wants to pretend he's over 18 he's gonna do it. It's as easy as saying: "I'm 18". How could you possibly determine a user's age?


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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Would you pass condoms out to minors? You know they are having sex. Why shouldn't they be having safe sex?

I don't think anyone should ignore the minimum age requirement, but I also think we do enough to ensure that no one here is minors. The shroomery is not at risk (as far as I know), why do so many feel that more needs to be done to ensure that every member is not a minor? The current methods are quite sufficient.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
If an underage kid wants to pretend he's over 18 he's gonna do it. It's as easy as saying: "I'm 18". How could you possibly determine a user's age?


I agree with Suimush. The simplest way is when a user is making it blatantly obvious they are underage repost them. If they say they're over 18 and act the part there isn't much we can do.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Cowgold]
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I agree.


****Shroomery Minor Watch*****


if you see a minor reveal themselves report and return to posting as usual. Do not under any cicumstances approach the minor.

They are armed with liability and presumed ignorant

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Edited by sui (04/10/07 06:20 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
I agree.


****Shroomery Minor Watch*****


if you see a minor reveal themselves report and return to postanig as usual. Do not under any cicumstances approach the minor.

They are armed with liability and presumed ignorant

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This has been a public service announcement brought to you by The Shroomery Protection Program.



:lol:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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>17 1 in 25
>15 1 in 100
i say if they post decent content it's really not an issue. high school seniors, for example, need a place like this because as we all know they get into all kind of shit. it's better to know and ask actual people sometimes. erowid isn't the only fix.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: zSDMF]
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zSDMF said:
erowid isn't the only fix.


Erowid's only good for in-depth stuff and trip reports.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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I think that if your inder age and you want to learn how to be safe and smart about the things you do, thats fine with me, also try to really figure out if there really underage because i remember that i posted i was grounded but was hoping to get acid, and someone thought i was underage, i didnt tell him my age be cause i was then and still of the opinion that your as old as you think you are. by the way im about 18 and a half, to whoever thought i was underage:thumbup: while i think its a risk that underages dippshits well get this site in some trouble, i also am of the mind taht , many minors could learn a lot from this site, and i think its better there educated, than just some kids putting shit in there bodies, with no idea of the consequences.

P.S im going to college near by, and i still live with my mom, so she thinks she can still ground me:) didnt actually work out.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I think that some of the minors on these boards contribute more than many of us who are over 18. If they keep their "mouth" shut about their age, I see no problem with them being here.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: moosehead]
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If a monor contributes theres no problem, that i can see for me personnally.

but it seems this debate is partly, about not there maturity, but protecting SHROOMERY from getting in trouble, because some, mom is pissed that there son or daughter can come on this site.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Fiblessop]
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But all forums, except those that can be found on any other site, deal with drugs. Even the Pub and OTD, the two biggest community forums, talk about drugs.

Sorry that's to JunkFood


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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If they're smart enough to keep it under wraps, then I have no problem with them. But if they're stupid enough to reveal their age in the forums, or show an underage maturity level, then I fully support their banishment.


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I didnt know banishment was a word. [Re: Silversoul]
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If they are adults and show the same level of immaturity, I fully support their banishment.


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Re: I didnt know banishment was a word. [Re: The Crow]
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The Crow said:
If they are adults and show the same level of immaturity, I fully support their banishment.


Agreed.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Silversoul]
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I think I was about 15 when I joined here.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: domite]
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domite said:
I think I was about 15 when I joined here.


:crankey:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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I was 14 when i joined (different account)
The shroomery shouldn't put itself at risk, but morally as long as there is prohibition, than children will need to get their knowledge somewhere, and its better they come here, and to erowid, than learn from there yokel cousin on the streets.
When i was young, and ready to get high on anything, the shroomery probably saved my life.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Dreamer987]
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Dreamer987 said:
I was 14 when i joined (different account)
The shroomery shouldn't put itself at risk, but morally as long as there is prohibition, than children will need to get their knowledge somewhere, and its better they come here, and to erowid, than learn from there yokel cousin on the streets.
When i was young, and ready to get high on anything, the shroomery probably saved my life.


I agree wholeheartedly they should I just don't want to see my beloved shroomery shut down. It would be nice if we could catch them all through the cracks but we have to go by their word. Either way as long as they represent themselves as 18+ the shroomery should be fine. In other words, as long as they aren't stupid enough to admit they're underage it would be alright. If they do admit it the only thing we can do is as suimush said, report them.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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i haven't read all the post yet.. i voted 1 of 50 and 1 of 100...

I think it should be a restrictive policy.. maybe allow them only in certain forums for posting... what's the matter w/ a 15 yr old music or science geek using the sub forums? They may have found this site by looking for something else, and should be allowed to stay until they can post in all the forums if they choose...

I do think that the cult forums, ID forums, ODD, maybe even OTD, etc should be off limits..

yos-

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I was good personal friends with an underage Shroomerite, who will remain unnamed as he is now 19.  I never even realized he was underage (he fit right in with the "older" kids) until he told me.  He knew just as much about psychedelics as I did, as well as the precautions when using them. 

Of course, he's cool as shit.  I am relieved he is 'of age' now however.

edit: fixed age.  :wink:

Edited by MOTH (04/10/07 11:20 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: MOTH]
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lol, i just outed myself a few posts up. I'm 19 now, thank you for your discretion tho.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Dreamer987]
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hehe, oh okay, didn't read the entire thread.  :grin:

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: MOTH]
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You are charged with not reading before posting, punishable by death.  :smirk:


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
You are charged with not reading before posting, punishable by death.  :smirk:


I fear being banned more then death. 

Sometimes I just don't have time or energy to read a ton of posts in a thread.  :shrug:

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
Legend9123 said:
You are charged with not reading before posting, punishable by death.  :smirk:


I fear being banned more then death. 

Sometimes I just don't have time or energy to read a ton of posts in a thread.  :shrug:


Me too on both points.


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