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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: jewunit]
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1 in 10
1 in 50
no minors, no exceptions.

edit: i wish we could find out the real numbers.. it could be like a "guess the number of jelly beans" contest


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Edited by tiny_rabid_birds (04/10/07 02:02 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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Although I don't entirely agree with the presence of minors another part of me is consumed with another concept. In my younger days Erowid was a massive life line for me, It would be wrong not to assist someone regardless of age if they were in need of help or serious assistance. Though I don't doubt if and when that situation occurs that the members of this site would be understanding.


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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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Then they can go to Erowid, like you said. And if their life is in danger they can call poison control or go to the hospital, that would be the advice people here would give anyway.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Ythan was 15 when he made this site

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=2&Number=6752942&Board=7&what=showflat&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1


That was back before a number of legal issues happened that drew attention to the site. Since some major things popped up, the Shroomery has had to get legal advice. If you want to be able to post in this wonderful community, we are not allowed to have minors posting here.

Two words: Major Liability.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: j3ckyl]
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j3ckyl said:
This site makes everyone agree to a disclaimer that they are of the correct age, surely this negates liability?


To me it the issue is less about liability than about unwanted attention.

If there is a high-profile incident involving a minor hurting himself (or someone else) and this site is referenced as an influence, The Shroomery (or perhaps magic mushrooms themselves) could be demonized in the news, and who knows what repercussions that will have for the site or for those who post about illegal activities.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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This doesn't sound very fair, but I dont think American or Canadian minors should be admitted. European teens can drink beer or go on a 4 week vacation all over the EU etc without consent of their parents. Americans can't drink until 21 and can't leave the border without written parental consent until 18. European teens are a different beast than American teens.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: YidakiMan]
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YidakiMan said:
This doesn't sound very fair, but I dont think American or Canadian minors should be admitted. European teens can drink beer or go on a 4 week vacation all over the EU etc without consent of their parents. Americans can't drink until 21 and can't leave the border without written parental consent until 18. European teens are a different beast than American teens.


Not really:

Dutch Consider Magic Mushroom Ban


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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You can tell on irc #shroomery there are a lot of minors here.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: theuser]
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My opinion is: if they're here, let em stay. They could use the advice from various members here. They can get their facts straight this way. I mean it's not like there's an age limit on anything illegal so why should this be any different?

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Newbie]
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only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I have nothing against underages users, per se as long as they act mature on these forums.

What worries me is that if mom and dad catch said minor on the shroomery, it could result in a legal shitstorm.

Mommy and daddy may feel their precious baby was corrupted by the Shroomery ( never mind precious baby was corrupted long before he discovered the Shroomery probably) and try to shut us down.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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suimush said:
only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.



if everyone just does this then there should be no problem.

If they reveal themselves report it. Short of blindly banning people who just may act immature, its the only way really.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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1 in 25
1 in 100

I personaly don't care so long as liability doesn't reflect on the shroomery and they have content in their posts. Which I'm pretty sure the disclaimer and ban policy negates any liability.

Another point I'd like to make is that minors have easier access to drugs than cigarettes and alcohol. Considering that and the fact that this place is designed for accurate drug information and the safety involved, it's the best place for a young drug user to be.


To all the minors that are here...
Don't give yourself away and don't be an idiot. Lurk around and find a safe responsible way to use before you fuck your life up. Better yet, quit.

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said:
What's this ripper business about?

I'd say as long as people are responsible and intelligent enough to not make themselves seem like stupid 15 year olds who like getting high, there's no problem. If they can be singled out as underage, a person has probably posted sufficient nonsense to warrant a ban anyway.


i agree with that statement for the most part. but on top of that we need to educate youth above anyone else about drugs seeing as they seem be be completely reckless and stupid as to what they put in their bodies. As long as they dont post stupid shit, and dont provide disinformation, i dont have a problem with minors on the site.

And for me, age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, or maturity whatsoever. i bet theres a 14 year old who knows way more about drugs and their effects on the body than I do out there. Minors on the shroomery arent a plague or even much of a problem in my eyes. They can just be annoying little retards occasionally. But then again, so can anyone regaurdless of age.

so for me, i dont really care about the minors.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Asante]
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I think if there are minors on this site who can be smart and responsible and not TELL ANYONE that they are minors, then there should be no problem.

The problem lies when some dumbass 16 year old is growing shrooms in the closet of his parents' house like an idiot, they find it, they call the cops, the investigation begins, the shroomery is BLAMED. All it takes is one group of crazy like-minded parents to start some sort of campaign against sites like ours....

So yeah, responsibility (and by that I mean not doing stupid shit like trying to cultivate under your parents roof without their approval) is k3y.

Edited by adrug (04/10/07 04:32 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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it's not like "we" could really stop it, so unless you know for a fact that someone's a minor we just have to assume the truth is being told.

I think allot of kids could get useful information here, and there is enough places on the internet which is far worse for a kid to wander into. If the parents dont monitor the kids they are free to see everything wonderful and horrible the internet has to offer.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: adrug]
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I am going to have to agree with most of the people here and say it is a major issue that needs dealt with.


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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: Legend9123]
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Legend9123 said:
I am going to have to agree with most of the people here and say it is a major issue that needs dealt with.



suimush said:
only thing we can do is click the little wistle at the bottom of the post when a minor reveals themselves.

and i suggest everyone do just that.


it really is all we as a whole can do.


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Edited by sui (04/10/07 05:21 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: sui]
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I would say no minors period. Too much heat if mommy or daddy happens to be a senator or in congress(politics etc) and finds out.

PS is there not a fool proof way yet to ID over the net?


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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
  -Mark Twain

"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Edited by QuantumMeltdown (04/10/07 05:23 PM)

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Re: Underage Shroomerites -- a minor issue? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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How 'bout: only cool minors?


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