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elpinoman
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Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes?
#6760796 - 04/08/07 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a first time grower, and don't really want to start with cakes. Wondering if i can skip them and go straight to 1/2gal rye jars for a bigger yield.
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geko
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6760803 - 04/08/07 10:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes! Go for it! I did the same thing. Grain is very easy, if you follow proper procedure. I can honestly see no reason why anyone would do cakes, but this is only me.
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6760821 - 04/08/07 10:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure, if you've got a pressure cooker big enough to fit 1/2 gallon jars in. I also skipped the pf tek and went straight for grains and am glad I did. They're not hard just follow your teks. If you go with half gallons you better use LC's to inoculate with to speed things up to reduce the window for contams to take hold. You'd be better off using quarts. Or you could always use some gladware/ziploc containers. If you're looking for bigger yield then you need more spawn. Using a big ass jar isn't necessarily giving you more spawn, just a bigger container of spawn. The bigger the container of spawn the longer its gonna take to colonize thus allowing contams to have a larger time frame to take hold. Go with more smaller containers like quarts rather than fewer large ones. You'll still have the same amount of grain spawn that you can then use to spawn to hpoo or coir giving you a bigger yield.
Edited by atomic1 (04/08/07 10:58 AM)
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Blutjager
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: atomic1]
#6760827 - 04/08/07 11:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Click the link in my Sig to read about how much I hate cakes
But more importantly in about the third post by me on that page is a link to the best and easiest grain tek here,I can say for certain that if it wasent for finding that tek I would have probably given up by now due to the frustration that I got from everything else I tried
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elpinoman
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: Blutjager]
#6760846 - 04/08/07 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the encouragement guys. I was thinking about buying a few of these RYE JARS to start with. After I make my first successful grow with the cheater rye jars, I was going to make my own rye jars. I will use quart jars for that. What do you guys think of the cheater rye jars for my 1st grow?
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6760862 - 04/08/07 11:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't buy rye jars - make your own. This way you have far greater chance of success. And for the long run you will gather experience, which is simply invaluable.
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atomic1
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6760864 - 04/08/07 11:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm sure they'd be fine but $25 for 2 quarts of rye is a kick in the dick if you ask me. But if you don't have a PC and want to do grains then I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. Do you have a PC?
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elpinoman
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: atomic1]
#6760869 - 04/08/07 11:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do have a PC, but the hardest part of growing to me looks like making the jars. I figured the rest would be hard enough and skip the hardest part by cheating. I know $25 is a "kick in the dick" lol but if it gets me a successful grow on my first try that kick might be worth it. If setting up the jars isn't the hardest part then what is?
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: atomic1]
#6760870 - 04/08/07 11:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm gonna have to go with geko on this as well,make your own,even if you screw them up a few times you will still be money ahead and the experience you will gain will make all the difference in the world for your future attempts
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: Blutjager]
#6760981 - 04/08/07 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would recommend quart jars over 1/2 gallons. Most pressure cookers can only hold one or two half gallons, but can hold far more than twice that amount of quarts. In addition, half gallons can be a bitch to get colonized, often having gas exchange problems in the core due to the thickness of the grains. You also have more eggs in one basket, etc.
For the cake haters, here's a reality check. I grew mushrooms for over 30 years before making my first pf cake. They're not bad and have a very high biological effeciency. Done properly, they colonize fast and are great for proving strains. There is no reason to skip cakes because they're a great way to experiment and learn the ropes, and without a pressure cooker, they're the only dependable way to get mushrooms. I'm getting tired of the cake bashing that goes on in this forum, as if they somehow make a person a 'lesser' grower. Take a look at fahtsters or roadkills cakes if you don't believe that. There's always more than one way to skin a cat, and cakes are just one of them. RR
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6761017 - 04/08/07 12:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I would recommend quart jars over 1/2 gallons. Most pressure cookers can only hold one or two half gallons, but can hold far more than twice that amount of quarts. In addition, half gallons can be a bitch to get colonized, often having gas exchange problems in the core due to the thickness of the grains. You also have more eggs in one basket, etc.
For the cake haters, here's a reality check. I grew mushrooms for over 30 years before making my first pf cake. They're not bad and have a very high biological effeciency. Done properly, they colonize fast and are great for proving strains. There is no reason to skip cakes because they're a great way to experiment and learn the ropes, and without a pressure cooker, they're the only dependable way to get mushrooms. I'm getting tired of the cake bashing that goes on in this forum, as if they somehow make a person a 'lesser' grower. Take a look at fahtsters or roadkills cakes if you don't believe that. There's always more than one way to skin a cat, and cakes are just one of them. RR
OK if you'd actually read my posts I said I'm using 1/2 gal jars because they sell them ready to go online. Which means no need to pressure cook them. I already own a PC so no need to mess with cakes. Also I said I would used quart jars after I used the 1/2 cheater jars. Everything I said now has already been said in prior post's of mine in this thread.
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6761638 - 04/08/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I would recommend quart jars over 1/2 gallons. Most pressure cookers can only hold one or two half gallons, but can hold far more than twice that amount of quarts. In addition, half gallons can be a bitch to get colonized, often having gas exchange problems in the core due to the thickness of the grains. You also have more eggs in one basket, etc.
For the cake haters, here's a reality check. I grew mushrooms for over 30 years before making my first pf cake. They're not bad and have a very high biological efficiency. Done properly, they colonize fast and are great for proving strains. There is no reason to skip cakes because they're a great way to experiment and learn the ropes, and without a pressure cooker, they're the only dependable way to get mushrooms. I'm getting tired of the cake bashing that goes on in this forum, as if they somehow make a person a 'lesser' grower. Take a look at fahtsters or roadkills cakes if you don't believe that. There's always more than one way to skin a cat, and cakes are just one of them. RR
OK if you'd actually read my posts I said I'm using 1/2 gal jars because they sell them ready to go online. Which means no need to pressure cook them. I already own a PC so no need to mess with cakes. Also I said I would used quart jars after I used the 1/2 cheater jars. Everything I said now has already been said in prior post's of mine in this thread.
I'm cant say I am familiar with roadkills cakes but I will say that if all cakes grew with the efficiency of Fathsters I would be grinding brown rice as we speak,I am probably the one who bashes cakes the most and am fully aware that it is just a matter of preference,sort of a different strokes for different folks type of situation.It doesn't suit my style of growing,that does not mean it might not suit yours and as mentioned by RR(Who knows his shit in this hobby just as good if not better than anyone else here)they are pretty much your only option without a PC.Try different methods and see what you like I just don't like when it is made to sound that you "Have to" do cakes 1st because if you do have a PC I find grains so much easier to work with and a better and bigger yield in the end for the effort put forth,All in all regardless of what you try,if it fails try something else,you will find your style of growing and than you will enjoy this hobby without pulling your hair out
Good luck to all regardless of what you choose to try,be patient and be persistent and you will go far,with out those two qualities you wont go far at all regardless of what methods you try,Good luck have fun and keep us posted because learning from each other is what this place is all about
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: Blutjager]
#6761820 - 04/08/07 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK if you'd actually read my posts I said I'm using 1/2 gal jars because they sell them ready to go online. Which means no need to pressure cook them. I already own a PC so no need to mess with cakes.
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elpinoman said: I'm a first time grower, and don't really want to start with cakes. Wondering if i can skip them and go straight to 1/2gal rye jars for a bigger yield.
OK, if you'd learn to be consistent and courteous, you wouldn't get your damn thread locked either. RR
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Re: Is 1/2gal rye jars much harder to grow than starting with 1/2pint cakes? [Re: elpinoman]
#6761822 - 04/08/07 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: As stated above. We're not mind readers. I fail to see what having trouble colonizing the middle of a 1/2 gallon jar has to do with getting them premade or not. Use some common courtesy. We're not here helping new growers out because we're getting paid for it. RR
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