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OfflineDeMeTrius
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Substrate Additives
    #6754563 - 04/06/07 02:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just wanted to throw a few ideas outta my head to circulate them through some other heads and maybe gather some insight. I was thinking of random ingredients to experiment with to make the little ones a bit more psychoactive. So far I've only thought a few; as of about 2 minutes ago. The 1st is Tryptophan - I know that adding TryptAMINE will increase the potency, of course, but I wonder if they could do anything with unconverted tryptophan??? 2nd is Cacao - Cacao is just FULL of psychoactivity: theobromine, a bit of caffeine, PhenylEthylAmine, anandamide, MAOI substance, plus a plethora of vitamins, minerals and such. So, Cacao??? The 3rd candidate is Bee Pollen - Bee Pollen is said by some to be one of the most complete and perfect foods in all of nature. It contains everything need for life to thrive. What really has me interested in the pollen, is that it, along with royal jelly, honey & propilis, has great anti-fungal, anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties; not that I'm worried the children are going to catch a virus. A great defense against contamination?? In theory, it sounds promising to my mind. So, Bee Foods??? Basically, what's running through my head, other than tryptophan, are superfoods. Spirulina, goji berries, hemp seed, maca, etc... The theoretical formula is superfood=superkids. Who knows. Could work.......Just thought of one more...Yopo seeds. Or maybe Chacruna. I wooonder???? Little ones fed by Bufo and/or DeMeTrius??? Hmmmmmmm?? So yeah, let these ideas filter through your networks and let me know what cha think.

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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6754608 - 04/06/07 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There has been hundreds, if not thousands of posts on this in the past, but not ONE single shred of evidence that adding ANYTHING to the substrate will affect potency, claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Potency seems to be genetic in nature, and not related to some chemical that is added to the substrate, and trust me, I've added everything under the sun and the result with isolated, proved strains was always exactly the same. No change. If you do a 'search posts' in advanced mycology, you'll find dozens of threads, but not one single substantiated test that anything has increased potency. It's all talk, and simply repeating what people have read, which is not science.
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Re: RogerRabbit [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6760075 - 04/08/07 03:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Welllll, my ideas about about adding superfoods IS unsubstantiated as far as I know. They're just ideas. However, the idea of adding tryptophan does have some validation. Around four years back, I was learning a bit about neurochemistry and about the same period I also had a great interest in raising the little guys. I theorized that just as a human given supplemental tryptophan results in an increase in indigenous tryptamines, so might our little friends, through their own biological processes, be able to convert tryptophan into their own special variety of tryptamines. So, I went online to see if this idea was already floating about and if there was any info on it. What I found was this:

http://www.shroomery.org/9040/Tryptamine-Cubensis

I'm not sure if that is the exact place that I found it so long ago, but it is the same paper. I was a intrigued to say the least. However, I was never able to cultivate the idea. Two problems arose, at the time, tryptophan was still banned and couldn't be attained without prescription, AND I had no clue how to make such a conversion even if I could have acquired the stuff. So, I did it the old-fashioned way and the idea faded into the distance. Until recently. I've been contemplating opening up another little nursery and the concept has returned to my mind. Along with the one of the same problems. High quality tryptophan is readily available, yet I still have no clue as to how to convert tryptophan to tryptamine. So, I was hoping that maybe, someone, somewhere had done some research and/or experimentation on whether or not the little dudes had the internal processes to convert the stuff for themselves. It sounds plausible. They are, after all, living creatures, and somehow they are able make their goodness from such things as cow dung and rice cakes. They, like all living creatures, absorb nutrients and utilize them. It seems to me that, if they are given tryptophan along with the proper cofactors(vitamins, minerals, enzymes, etc...), that they would produce more tryptamines. So, if you think about it, my ideas of superfoods and tryptophan really aren't too far out. Now, whether or not such things as, Bufo, DeMeTrius, mucuna pruriens, phenylethylamine, anandamide, MAOI's, etc..., would have some effect, is a beyond me. Again, these are just ideas in the wind.

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Re: RogerRabbit [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6760083 - 04/08/07 03:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't want to adulterate my mushrooms with any substances - and frankly, substrate additives sound a little dangerous, especially your suggestion about adding MAOIs.

If you wanted another psychoactive in your final product, though, couldn't you just make up a solution of it and spray the actual mushroom bodies somewhere along the line? I don't know whether they'd actually absorb it, or just be coated with it, but it seems like that would work.


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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6760225 - 04/08/07 05:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The best additive to add to an optimal bulk substrate.
Is 20-25% colonized grain grain spawn.
With a vigorous strain;
proper incubation, casing & grow optimal conditions.
You will get near optimal potency.


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Re: Substrate Additives *DELETED* [Re: agar]
    #6760804 - 04/08/07 10:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6760809 - 04/08/07 10:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oops. Ok, I'm not sure how I managed to do that, but there was another paragraph at the end of that last post. Here's the complete post.

I'm not really looking to turn the final product into some kinda frankenstein or anything. They are Sacred. I just wanna feed em' the best meal I can so that they fill out nice and juicy like. The ideas that really have my attention are boosting tryptamine content through supplementation with tryptophan(theoretically) or a tryptamine containing material, and using "superfoods" such as the bee products for their nutritive/anti-contamination qualities. As for MAOIs, I don't intend to add harmaline or anything like that; AND I certainly don't mean to suggest dosing the kids with some pharma-poison psycho-shit. Nooooo way. The MAOI bit came from using cacao, as does as the anandamide and PEA. They occur naturally in cacao. In Mexico, they actually consume some form of cacao and/or chocolate prior to journeying. I'm merely just entertaining the idea of what effect cacao might have on the kids. The idea of Yopo or Chacruna came from the fact that DeMeTrius occurs naturally in kids in tiny amounts; and the curiosity of what effect Yopo or Chacruna might have on them. As for the Mucuna Pruriens(Dopa beans), just another thought passing through my mind. They contain mostly l-dopa, but also serotonin, 5-HTP, nicotine, NN-DMT, 5-MEO-DMT and bufotenine; along with plenty of good nutrients. All just ideas. All of it is really geared toward the notion of increasing tryptamine content; whether it be Silly and/or DeMeTrius percentages.

Here's what I'm thinking: two separate setups, both using a substrate mix of whole grain rye OR brown rice, hemp seed, sesame seed, bee pollen OR propilis, and vermiculite; one will be supplemented with tryptophan OR mucuna OR chacruna OR some type of tryptamine containing material and the other will not. ORRR, possibly 3 setups: one tryptamine-free, one with tryptophan and one with an organic tryptamine material.......This is only a rough draft substrate. I will drop, add, and refine things as need be until I'm confident with the mix, but I think this is where I'm going with it.

I apologize for not making my intentions more clear before. I do appreciate the feedback. My intent in posting this in the first place was to put a few intriguing, though imaginative, ideas out into the air so as to: 1) get some insight from the feedback 2) see if anyone had ever tested or pondered any of these ideas and 3) just to contribute some ideas, however imaginative they might be, to this community. Progress is born out of theories after all.

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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6764454 - 04/09/07 09:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ha thats really strange because i was thinking about adding bee pollen myself, just today actually. I saw a website on growing and it had bee pollen substrate you could get but it worked with rye. anyone have any luck with bee pollen as a growth enhancer? i want to try it somehow with the pf tek. the place i get my Salvia, Skullcap, Amanitas, Hawaiian Baby Woodrose also has tons of other botanicals and stuff like bee pollen so getting it is easy... perhaps vitamin cottage in a pinch?


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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6764583 - 04/09/07 10:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This post might interest you. It links to this which details growing psilocybes in particular chemicals to get chemicals other than psilocybin in the mushroom.

Unfortunately, the guy who came up with it's got a patent on the process, so watch it. :tongue:


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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: exagram]
    #6780611 - 04/12/07 08:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you exagram. funny thing is that just after i typed my last post, i ran across that very same article through another site. i knew there was something to my notion, and low and behold! kids are just little tryptamine factories aren't they. trouble is that i don't have the luxury of having the purer things in life to work with. i hope the little guys can work their magic with the cruder materials??? and i wonder if they still produce the Sillyness or if it's just completely replaced by the "alien" spirit?? or if they could keep a nice level of Sillyness and let a little more DiMiTri join the party???

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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #6780821 - 04/12/07 09:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well, turns out i might be able to buy puuure tryptamine after all.

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLT1840

and it also turns out that this is definitely not the first post on this kinda thing. a couple of such examples:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5561260

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5649913

damn. well, at least i did think of it on my own. not that it's any great acheivement, but at least.......

it was so much more enthralling when it seemed an unexplored territory. oh well, i'm still going ahead with it. i'm not satisfied just reading about it. first hand experience is the best experience.

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Re: Substrate Additives [Re: DeMeTrius]
    #7208160 - 07/21/07 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What about just using additives which themselves contain large amounts of tryptophan? Soybeans have 0.37 grams per 1 cup cooked, whereas brown rice has 0.06 grams. Other grains with large amounts of tryptophan include most beans (0.18 g / 1cu cooked) lentils (0.16g) bulgur wheat (0.09g) sesame or pumpkin seeds (0.12g/ quarter cup) barley (0.12g / cup) millet (0.1g). Also, meat has lots of tryptophan (Shrimp or tuna has ~0.4 g per 4 oz) but I don't know what would happen if you mixed a can of tuna into some substrate....

Guess it's time to break out the notebooks and start experimenting!

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