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Staring Into The Sun * 1
    #6751823 - 04/05/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I've found myself often staring into the sun when its shining. Its an interesting occurence - there is the appearance of a purplish lens that covers it and it moves around, and you can see the white outline of the sun itself... who here stares into the sun sometimes? :grin: Of course, I remember in school, creating these tubes with the end covered but one slit, and using those to look at the sun. From what I understand, staring into the sun will cause damage to the eyes, although I'm not sure precisely what kind of damage.

Anyways, clearly the sun is the source of all life. Its providing the energy that is transferred to us and it sustains us. Its also generating a fuck-ton of energy, and, of course, we are energy. There is a constant transfer of energy that sort of demonstrates that we are simply a wave of this energy that is the sun. :sun:

What would happen if one stared into the sun "too long"? :smirk:

Seriously, though, I think humanity should look into developing our genetics so that we can receive our energy directly from the sun, just as plants do.

One could also wonder the effects the sun would have on our DNA. Perhaps it is the sun that is evolving us. :shocked:

Just some thoughts that were in mind. :stoned:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6751833 - 04/05/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Weirdly, I've found myself doing this a fair amount, only recently. Maybe an unknown side-effect of LSD use; more likely a front-effect of generalized insanity. But I like it, it does seem to fill me with a certain kind of energy and actually brought me to tears of joy!


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Lion]
    #6751839 - 04/05/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

sungazing.org

sungazing.com

:smile:

you are not alone in this theory - apparently this guy says he hasn't eaten anything in 7 years or something like that because he gets all his energy from the sun.

personally, i think hes bs but whatever


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6751845 - 04/05/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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am i the only one staring at the sun afraid of what you'd find if you took a look inside




:lol:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6751871 - 04/05/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Hey I didn't say that. :mad: :grin:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6751902 - 04/05/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Did you? :justdontknow::lol:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6751909 - 04/05/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I know I didn't; that's what I said. :tongue:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6751925 - 04/05/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Was it... my reply? :smile:

Anyways, you have to admit, nice song


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752056 - 04/05/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)



Pic of the International Space Station and Venus simultaneously transiting the sun a couple years ago shot through a Pronto apochromatic refractor with a very tight (less than .7 angstrom bandwidth) hydrogen alpha filter.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752103 - 04/05/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

From some article on sun-gazing...

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Endocrinologists believe that sunlight enters the brain via the eyes and stimulates the pineal gland. This activated gland suppresses the hibernation-hormone melatonin and keeps the body "on orange alert".




I was wondering if the pineal gland had something to do with it. :smirk:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752139 - 04/05/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Lol so how long one has to stay staring in order to make the pineal gland release DMT?
Or they don't give out that kind of secrets? :rofl:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752256 - 04/05/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I used to stare at the sun a lot as a kid...

now I wear glasses



but in the last year or so, I find myself holding my head up while walking and occasionally staring at the sun or keeping an eye in its direction. I get this rush if I hold a gaze with it, this warmth fills my entire body and it sends waves through me


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6752269 - 04/05/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i heard that staring into the sun will damage your retina.

very interesting about the pineal gland, third eye and sunlight. light inhibits production of melatonin, causing alertness from dopamine release.. without melatonin we would not sleep. i wonder when melatonin is released .. during REM.. all night.. or just before bed.

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752718 - 04/05/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

after sungazing for 3 months or so, shrooms start having a different effect...

"The instructions are very simple. You start on the first day by gazing at the sun for 10 seconds and then adding 10 seconds more for each time you sungaze. This you continue until you reach 44 minutes maximum amount of time of gazing at the sun, which takes approximately 9 months. When you gaze at the sun you should be barefoot and standing on bare earth or sand (not on plants or on rocks or manmade surfaces). The sungazing is done within the period of one hour after sunrise and one hour before sunset. During these times the Ultraviolet index is low and supposedly safe for the eyes."

www.sungazing.org

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6752831 - 04/05/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

lol the anti-lsd campaigners of the hippie hay-day would have a ball with this thread. seriously though, exposure to the sun does have beneficial physical and psychological benefits. I believe your body needs to absorb sunlight in order to produce adequate amounts of vitamin D. Psychological benefits should be apparent.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: elbisivni]
    #6752887 - 04/06/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, I'm surprised I'm not alone on this. I actually followed the sungazing protocol that hira manek recommended until I was staring for 13-14 minutes a day. It is definitely sublime; I don't do it any more but now, thinking about it, I am aching for that feeling. My eyes are pretty good but in hindsight I think I stressed them too much. I might have to do some relaxed sungazing this spring though.

Oh yea, and trust me I freaked out over the concept of us developing an evolutionary trait which allowed us to directly photosynthesize. Well, that's why I started sungazing, even though I was dubious of course. Here's an interesting survey though: http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/sungazing/sg-surv-1.htm

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6755120 - 04/06/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I used to play peek-a-boo with the sun and its corono when tripping. Once, when friends came to my door, I looked up and momentarily stared at the sun. They were squinting and were shocked. My eyes were very dilated and unfocused, but I remember feeling a synesthesic 'blue warmth' at the back of my head, which happens to be the occipital lobe of one's brain - the vision center.

Focusing the sun's rays but looking at it as an object can and will permanently destroy your retinas resulting in blindness with a peripheral retinal corona of light. I had to have a cataract operation several years ago and receive a new plastic lens in my right eye. I'll never need reading glasses for that eye, but since plastic lenses don't change shape, I'll always need distance lenses for driving and such. I wore cheap sunglasses in Florida which probably admitted too much UV radiation while shading the eyes. My pupils opened further due to the shading, and UV damaged the lens permanently clouding it. Keep it up and see how blind you'll become!

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6755418 - 04/06/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder what staring at the sun in your dreams would do.

I've thought lately that it really makes sense that people worshipped the sun, its an obvious source of tremendous power and the source of all life, and its plainly evident right there in the very sky.....

although the way i learned in elementary school its nutty to think that a sun should be worshipped or else it won't rise...... [this was not told to us, but was our initial reaction to hearing that certain peoples used to believe this]


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: leery11]
    #6755433 - 04/06/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting.
I think it depends on what how strong your auto suggestion is.
I mean there could be a placebo effect but I think it rarely happens.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6755453 - 04/06/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

well no i mean, since looking at light bright light causes tracers and psychedelic things (or does for me) i wonder if your dreams would let you trip on the negative after images of the sun.

also because light sources are very static in dreams and hard to manipulate (though not impossible)


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: leery11]
    #6755470 - 04/06/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well yes same thing, depends on how deep your dream feeling is.
I'm sure you had similar dreams (let's say about getting high) and sometimes you really felt that state of high, tripping or whatever as well as the other times, even if you knew you took some drugs you didn't feel the high.
I think that this attributes can apply to dreaming about the sun too.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6755568 - 04/06/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:

Keep it up and see how blind you'll become!




Not if you gaze at early sunrise and late sunset.
I do it with my eyes relaxed, nearly half open,
and breathe in the light through my 3rd eye,
I never get tracers or negative after images.

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6756486 - 04/07/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Seriously, though, I think humanity should look into developing our genetics so that we can receive our energy directly from the sun, just as plants do.





Would you like to be the first to have an IV of chloroplasts?


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6756811 - 04/07/07 03:57 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

hey buddy :grin:

interesting idea here, but then we'd have to have chloroplasts.  In order for this to work, we need a certain type of bacteria, a plastid. The chloroplasts in plants is a result of a process that evolved over the millions and millions of years called secondary endosymbiosis. The symbiotic relationship is a mutual thing, for this to happen, DNA needs to be transferred from the plastid to our eukaryote cell.

From here we also not only need the transference, but the DNA also needs to be incorporated as a 'part' of our own DNA so that the chloroplast will be able to live inside the cell without being broken down and recycled.

in other words, we don't even have the technology to do such things, and if we did, would you really trust the process to begin with?  We are autotrophs for a reason.  Our body plan fits this scheme, let's keep it that way me thinks :shrug:


The sun evolving us?  It allow us to evolve and that's all we really know for sure.

We are energy?  Yes yes of course!!!  Energy!!!  NRG

in all seriousness though, you should not really find yourself often staring into the sun.  it's BAD for you :grin:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: kaiowas]
    #6759057 - 04/07/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
in other words, we don't even have the technology to do such things, and if we did, would you really trust the process to begin with?  We are autotrophs for a reason.  Our body plan fits this scheme, let's keep it that way me thinks :shrug:




Perhaps we don't have the technology to carry out that process, yet its clearly within our reach. We would develop trust in the process through applying the scientific method and exploring it out. We are autotrophs because that's simply how it happened to unfold. The benefits of receiving our energy directly from the source should seem obvious to all. We can consciously focusing on bettering ourselves; I see no reason why this couldn't apply to genetics as well.

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The sun evolving us?  It allow us to evolve and that's all we really know for sure.




Perhaps it is a matter that can be studied further into - the effects of the output of the Sun's effect on ourselves on a genetic level.

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in all seriousness though, you should not really find yourself often staring into the sun.  it's BAD for you :grin:




If one gazes at the Sun in the last half hour or so before it sets then there isn't nearly as many UV rays coming into contact with your eyes, and if you do not strain one's eyes by focusing on the sun as an object, then one is better off.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6759159 - 04/07/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

how do we clearly have a grasp on genetics? dude I just took a genetics class last semester, we barely have a clue of what's going on.

furthermore, altering genes gives people power over others...and those in power tend to want to stay there. I don't trust that this technology will only be used for positive means...do you?

and as far as staring into the sun goes, here's what an astronomer had to say about that...and what happened to his telescope lense.

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Every time there is a solar eclipse you will find astronomers warning you to never look directly at the Sun. Even more importantly, you should not look at the Sun through a telescope unless you have a professional solar filter that covers the front of the telescope. Why?

The Sun is very bright and by focussing the light onto the back of your eye (the retina) with or without a telescope, you are putting a lot of energy (both optical light and infra-red) onto a tiny area. At some point in your life you may have tried to set paper on fire using a magnifying glass, so just think about that being done to the back of your eye. It isn't nice. Even more scarily is the fact that the retina of your eye does not have pain receptors, so you will not even feel the damage being done. It may not even become apparent until later.

Dont look at the Sun

A grape at the focus of a small telescope while looking at the Sun unprotected. CREDIT: Stuart/Megan
Last year, I decided to try to demonstrate just how dangerous looking at the Sun is. Luckily, I am too sensible to use my own eye for this purpose, so I decided to use a green grape instead. It is round and squishy, so vaguely resembles an eyeball. However, a grape doesn't have its own lens to focus the light onto the back of it ,so I reckon it should fare better than a human eye. Anyway, not knowing exactly what to expect, I used some pliers to hold the grape at the focus. For the first few seconds not a lot appeared to be happening. If it was your eye there in place of the grape, you would be cooking your retina in an irreversible way. Anyway, I was slightly suprised a few seconds later when the sunlight had burnt through the outer layer of the grape and hot grape juice squirted out. It sprayed the eyepiece. I made a rather poor quality movie of this, complete with the sound of sizzling grape. If you click on the image you should be able to see it (WARNING: 2.1MB MOV file). The result is not good.

Not only do you blind yourself, but you may damage the optics of your telescope. So, remember folks, NEVER LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE SUN. If you want to observe the Sun, check out the SOHO website or find someone with a solar telescope. You have been warned.




from yep

there's a movie on there as well to get a better idea.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: kaiowas]
    #6759244 - 04/07/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
how do we clearly have a grasp on genetics?  dude I just took a genetics class last semester, we barely have a clue of what's going on.




Reading comprehension - I stated that it is clearly within our reach, not that we clearly have a grasp. Two entirely different things.

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furthermore, altering genes gives people power over others...and those in power tend to want to stay there.  I don't trust that this technology will only be used for positive means...do you?




This isn't exactly a convincing argument agansit altering human genetics. :shrug:

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and as far as staring into the sun goes, here's what an astronomer had to say about that...and what happened to his telescope lense.




I realize the risks the sun poses to the health of one's eyes.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6759339 - 04/07/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

in order for something as you stated "clearly within our reach" we need to have a 'clear grasp' on what we are dealing with, don't you think?

operative word I was working on was 'clearly' and I'm sorry to say, not too much is clear in the world of genetics.

furthermore your idea having trust in the process through the scientific process and 'exploring it out' is vague and general and really gives no merit to the idea of genetically modifying ourselves to take energy from the sun and turn it into ATP.

this would effect where we get our vitamins, what type of sugar we can produce, blood sugar levels, blood pressure, our immune system, body temperature, the whole nine yards really.

And as far as the trust factor goes, the information that comes from being able to alter ones genes to the point of 'getting energy from the sun' would implicate that those in power have a lot of information on their hands.

they are already discussing how to vaccinate kids from drugs. that's heavy duty shit with very little thought of the negative effects that it would have on brain chemistry and brain function.


"I realize the risks the sun poses to the health of one's eyes."

but you often do it, and furthermore speak of staring for more than 15 min. to me this seems a little on the insane side.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: kaiowas]
    #6759364 - 04/07/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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in order for something as you stated "clearly within our reach" we need to have a 'clear grasp' on what we are dealing with, don't you think?




Maybe I'm just more optimistic of humanity and its science and technology. We genetically modify life all the time.

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furthermore your idea having trust in the process through the scientific process and 'exploring it out' is vague and general and really gives no merit to the idea of genetically modifying ourselves to take energy from the sun and turn it into ATP.




Vauge and general? Its how all "trust" is built in such a manner. I'm sorry I didn't outline a step by step process for the geneticists to carry out. :smirk:

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this would effect where we get our vitamins, what type of sugar we can produce, blood sugar levels, blood pressure, our immune system, body temperature, the whole nine yards really.




No, it would effect those who have modified genes. Test humans. :smirk:

And as far as the trust factor goes, the information that comes from being able to alter ones genes to the point of 'getting energy from the sun' would implicate that those in power have a lot of information on their hands.

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they are already discussing how to vaccinate kids from drugs.  that's heavy duty shit with very little thought of the negative effects that it would have on brain chemistry and brain function.




"They"?

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but you often do it, and furthermore speak of staring for more than 15 min.  to me this seems a little on the insane side.




Please quote me on both accounts.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6763117 - 04/08/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I am glad others are having this experience of staring into the sun. How many here have looked directly at the sun, for say, most of the day? Me & my mother on our way from Minneapolis to Detroit for a conference watched the phenomenon of the sun most of the way. It changed the longer we looked at it. Got more spectacular the longer we looked. We all see this experience in a different way, all I can say, explore!!

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Demotriton]
    #6763131 - 04/08/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i'm really glad I read this thread
but shouldn't it be in mysticism?


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6764322 - 04/09/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No, it shouldn't. I am familiar with the type of discussion each forum is orientated towards and made a conscious decision as to which forum to post it within.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6764393 - 04/09/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

but looking into the sun mixed with uninformed and nonscientific ideas about DNA along with blatantly mystical wonder about energy, is an insane proposition (albeit heartfelt) - it absolutely defies any sensible discussion and should be packaged with those unfortunate ideas that are not beneficially contestable.

(i guess the damned to hell threads also have the same quality of being potentially contestible but to no beneficial end)


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7021286 - 06/07/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

HOLY MOLY. I have to comment on this.

When I was in the midst of my psychedelic melt down I kept telling everybody that I didn't need to eat cause I was 'running on light'. No shit. I believed it.

I kept thinking that huge black eyes might help.



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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7021725 - 06/08/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

WEIRD I have had dreams where I see myself with my eyes turning black,
then I noticed the X-Files movie has this black alien goo that turns a kid's eyes black.
I wonder if that has anything to do with the black astral goo McKenna talked about.

I've heard of Yogis that have lived directly from the Sun's energy...

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Middleman]
    #7022364 - 06/08/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)


"I've heard of Yogis that have lived directly from the Sun's energy..."


Will you tell me more??
I was absolutely convinced that I had crossed some threshold.
It felt as though the DNA in body was all connected like fiber optics. And that the light would enter my eyes and circulate around my brain and throughout my body as pure energy. It felt like I was being powered by a small nuclear reactor.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7022496 - 06/08/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

once i was tripping on acid and i suddenly noticed my eyes were hurting very bad. whoops, i had disappeared into thought while staring at the sun. it spooked me at the time because i didn't think that could actually happen. now its funny though.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7022572 - 06/08/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Autistic mind control.
I'm a beleiver.:grin:
I think it has to do with low vibration.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7022599 - 06/08/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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i'm really glad I read this thread





That's because you like staring into the void.


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7022797 - 06/08/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Please be very, very, careful. I have permanent scars in both of my retinas from looking at the sun when I was a child. I don't remember the event, I was probably very young. But the scarring has been confirmed by an eye doctor, and I can see the scars clearly when I look at the blue sky or any other texture-free surface. From the "inside", the scars look like floaters, except that they don't float around and they are much longer and always perfectly sharp since they are burned directly onto the retina.

Fortunately for me, these scars never or almost never interfere with my vision when there is texture/details to see. I assume that this is because the brain is amazingly good at compensating for this distorted signal when it has enough data to work with. But it's annoying when I do see them. The only good thing about it is that they remind me that I shouldn't stare at the sun, because it would take just a little bit more retinal scarring than I have, to cause permanent blindness or severe loss of sight.

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Rhizoid]
    #7022804 - 06/08/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Rhizoid]
    #7022906 - 06/08/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Please be very, very, careful. I have permanent scars in both of my retinas from looking at the sun when I was a child. I don't
remember the event, I was probably very young. But the scarring has been confirmed by an eye doctor, and I can see the scars clearly when I look at the blue sky or any other texture-free surface. From the "inside", the scars look like floaters, except that they don't float around and they are much longer and always perfectly sharp since they are burned directly onto the retina.

Fortunately for me, these scars never or almost never interfere with my vision when there is texture/details to see. I assume that this is because the brain is amazingly good at compensating for this distorted signal when it has enough data to work with. But it's annoying when I do see them. The only good thing about it is that they remind me that I shouldn't stare at the sun, because it would take just a little bit more retinal scarring than I have, to cause permanent blindness or severe loss of sight.




You don't get floaters from burning your retinas, that's a myth and whoever told you that has misinformed you.
It is a fact that one could burn one's retinas if staring at the Sun, but these aren't that symptoms.
I wanted to clear that up because your information is erroneous.

What are eye floaters and what causes them:

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Eye Floaters and Spots

By Judith Lee and Gretchyn Bailey;
reviewed by Dr. Vance Thompson

You may sometimes see small specks or clouds moving in your field of vision. They are called floaters. You can often see them when looking at a plain background, like a blank wall or blue sky. Floaters are actually tiny clumps of gel or cells inside the vitreous, the clear jelly-like fluid that fills the inside of your eye.

Floaters may look like specks, strands, webs or other shapes. Actually, what you are seeing are the shadows of floaters cast on the retina, the light-sensitive part of the eye.
Eye Floaters and Spots Symptoms and Signs

If a spot or shadowy shape passes in front of your field of vision or to the side, you are seeing a floater. Because they are inside your eye, they move with your eyes when you try to see them. You may also see flashes of light. These flashes occur more often in older people as the vitreous humor thickens and tugs on the light-sensitive retina. They may be a warning sign of a detached retina. Flashes also occur after a blow to the head, often called "seeing stars."

Some people experience flashes of light that appear as jagged lines or "heat waves" in both eyes, often lasting 10-20 minutes. These types of flashes are usually caused by a spasm of blood vessels in the brain, which is called a migraine. If a headache follows the flashes, it is called a migraine headache. However, jagged lines or "heat waves" can occur without a headache. In this case, the light flashes are called an ophthalmic migraine, or a migraine without a headache.
What Causes Eye Floaters and Spots?

For most people, floaters occur as they grow older. The vitreous humor thickens and clumps as we age, and floaters result from the clumped vitreous gel. Sometimes pregnant women see spots caused by little bits of protein trapped within the eye. Eye injury or breakdown of the vitreous humor may also cause spots and floaters.

When people reach middle age, the vitreous gel may start to thicken or shrink, forming clumps or strands inside the eye. The vitreous gel pulls away from the back wall of the eye, causing a posterior vitreous detachment. It is a common cause of floaters, and it is more common for people who:

* are nearsighted;
* have undergone cataract operations;
* have had YAG laser surgery of the eye;
* have had inflammation inside the eye.

Treatment for Spots and Floaters

Most spots and eye floaters are merely annoying but harmless when they temporarily enter the field of vision, and many fade over time. People sometimes are interested in surgery to remove floaters, but doctors are willing to perform such surgery only in rare instances.

f you suddenly see new floaters, or eye floaters accompanied by flashes of light or peripheral vision loss, it could indicate serious conditions such as diabetic retinopathy; vascular abnormalities such as retinal hemorrhages or carotid artery disease, or the beginning of a retinal detachment. The retina can tear if the shrinking vitreous gel pulls away from the wall of the eye. This sometimes causes a small amount of bleeding in the eye that may appear as new floaters. You should see your eye doctor immediately.




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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7022966 - 06/08/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't get floaters from burning your retinas, that's a myth and whoever told you that has misinformed you.
It is a fact that one could burn one's retinas if staring at the Sun, but these aren't that symptoms.
I wanted to clear that up because your information is erroneous.



My information is not erroneous. I did not claim that you get floaters from burning your retinas. I claimed that staring at the sun as a child has given me permanent scars, which has been confirmed by a doctor. You must have misread my post.

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Re: Staring Into The Sun [Re: Rhizoid]
    #7023111 - 06/08/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, sorry, I omitted the fact that you were saying "that looked like floaters"


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