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Invisibledblaney
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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Icelander]
    #6739075 - 04/02/07 05:02 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

To be honest, I don't know if death anxiety can be overcome. I'm not sure if you think I view death anxiety as a disease or a problem to find a solution to, but I don't. If there is death anxiety, then there is death anxiety. My meditation practice has taught me that there is no use in running away from it, and the best thing to do is simply be with it. Of course, having a framework to understand death in is very helpful, but ultimately, I don't know if one can, or for that matter, should overcome death anxiety.

However, I do suspect that if one is able to, in the words of Rumi, "wash yourself of yourself" completely, or in the Buddhist metaphor, polish the mirror clean and discover that the mirror is intrinsically empty and without a base, then there wouldn't be any arising of death anxiety, as there would no longer be an image of someone to whom death happens.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: dblaney]
    #6739094 - 04/02/07 05:05 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

I can go with that.:D


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (04/02/07 05:06 PM)

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Icelander]
    #6739107 - 04/02/07 05:09 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

“In horror of death, I took to the mountains - Again and again I meditated on the uncertainty of the hour of death, Capturing the fortress of the deathless unending nature of the mind. Now all fear of death is over and done.”

Milarepa


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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Sinbad]
    #6739152 - 04/02/07 05:17 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

And the Bible sez: "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved" :wink:

I don't believe or know anyone who has done this but I don't know for sure. Maybe one can. Then the door to fun is open.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: dblaney]
    #6739241 - 04/02/07 05:31 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

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dblaney said:
To be honest, I don't know if death anxiety can be overcome. I'm not sure if you think I view death anxiety as a disease or a problem to find a solution to, but I don't. If there is death anxiety, then there is death anxiety. My meditation practice has taught me that there is no use in running away from it, and the best thing to do is simply be with it. Of course, having a framework to understand death in is very helpful, but ultimately, I don't know if one can, or for that matter, should overcome death anxiety.

However, I do suspect that if one is able to, in the words of Rumi, "wash yourself of yourself" completely, or in the Buddhist metaphor, polish the mirror clean and discover that the mirror is intrinsically empty and without a base, then there wouldn't be any arising of death anxiety, as there would no longer be an image of someone to whom death happens.


Awesome post :mushroom2:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Lion]
    #6739285 - 04/02/07 05:38 PM (17 years, 12 hours ago)

Thanks, nice new sig you got there man :thumbup:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: aryah]
    #6745903 - 04/04/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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How to be happy of course. (Which means to me, how to successfully deal with death anxiety and experience oneself in human form.)





weeell, no, not really. If anything, it basicly says 'dont count on it' in the first noble truth. Again, its the awakening itself thats the core of the teaching, and approaches to it, and nurturing it.








From Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche in a artical from Spirituality and Health magizine. "At its heart Buddhism is very practical. It's about doing things that foster serenity, happiness and confidence, and avoiding what provokes anxiety, hopelessness, and fear."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Icelander]
    #6745994 - 04/04/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
And the Bible sez: "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved" :wink:





Whats that gotta do with anything :what:


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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Icelander]
    #6746058 - 04/04/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I've been reading Shambhala, The Sacred Path of the Warrior, by Chogyam Trungpa. All the points of Buddhist Philosophy that I find powerful and worthwhile are in this book. All the philosophy's that I have found important on my personal path are also found in this book.

The rest (not in this book on warriorship or the way) in my opinion is Religion. I'm guessing that when Buddhism moved into new areas it absorbed the local beliefs and religions same as Christianity absorbed pagan rites and festivals and beliefs and incorporated them into itself so the new converts weren't too freaked out.;)

I think once you understand the philosophy you can drop all the dogma of religious customs and go straight to the heart of the matter.

For me that involves dropping ideas like reincarnation, for things I can actually experience. Someone here told me that the Buddha believed in reincarnation and upon his enlightenment experienced all his past lives from fish to fowl to insect to animal to human. I myself had such an experience on a very high dose of LSD in the mountains. I experienced this same vision so to speak. But I didn't relate to it as my personal experience of past lives but saw it as the journey of evolution that I was a part of. The Buddha may have seen it all, the journey of life from the distant past to the point it found itself sitting under the Bodhi tree, aware of itself and awake.

Just some idle speculation on this.:D

In the end though Shambhala for me is the realization by Chogyam Trungpa that all the rest was religion also. I think I remember the Dali Lama saying that he was just a simple monk (man) and not the reincarnate Dali Lama. I think he also realized that much of the Buddhism he was taught in his home in Tibet was dogma and religion also.

Anyway thats what I think from my pondering and explorations. Maybe people need to hang on to some myths because the essence is too straight forward and puts full responsibility for there life on their shoulders. :mushroom2:




HHDL says he is just a simple monk because he is a very humble being. He also teaches in a very traditional way when not speaking about general topics to the public, so what you say simply isn't true.

Trungpa Rinpoche always taught from his own realization experience. He was a Mahasiddha  beyond exception and beyond all limitation. That is how he had the capacity to pass on his teachings in the way he did through his sincere expression of the essence. In any case, even Trungpa Rinpoche was very traditional when it came to topics such as rebirth, etc and core Mahayana teachings.

Its great that you love his expressions, and when you have a little more experience with meditation, you might come to some concrete understanding of the relative implications of emptiness realization, or 'groundlessness' as Trungpa used to call it.

Anyways, here are some videos of Trungpa Rinpoche and his son in action. :grin:

http://www.shambhala.org/teachings/category.php?media=video


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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Sinbad]
    #6746136 - 04/04/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

BTW it is the anniversary of Chogyam Trunpga Rinpoche's death today. Happy death day Rinpoche! :cool:


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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Sinbad]
    #6746496 - 04/04/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i think when you realize that without death there is no life and without life there is no death it makes it easier to deal with...

Death is not bad but just a neccessary correllary to life :peace:

I guess the hard part would be willingness to accept this...

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Sinbad]
    #6747487 - 04/04/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Sinbad said:
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Icelander said:
And the Bible sez: "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved" :wink:





Whats that gotta do with anything :what:




It means you can find a saying about anything. That doesn't mean it's true. You need personal experience.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Sinbad]
    #6747506 - 04/04/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the link. :thumbup:

What do you think of this in relation to my statement about all religion and philisophy being a way to handle our death anxiety. In the rest of the article he goes into his huge battle with internal anxiety. He actually said he had a nervous breakdown at one point. Very cool article.


From Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche in a artical from Spirituality and Health magizine. "At its heart Buddhism is very practical. It's about doing things that foster serenity, happiness and confidence, and avoiding what provokes anxiety, hopelessness, and fear."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Icelander]
    #6747948 - 04/04/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

...btw ped is a genius i agree 2 million percent

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Re: Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist Religion [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #6748106 - 04/04/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like love.;)


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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