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why and what

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Cracka_X said:

Everything is right in life. If it wasn't right then it wouldn't be able to happen?

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FreeUrThoughts said:

Cracka_X said:

Everything is right in life. If it wasn't right then it wouldn't be able to happen?

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Tell that to a child who is raped and beaten repeatedly and left for dead on the streets, where he grows up and lives the rest of his life constantly sick of the body and mind.

Tell that to the many people, men and women alike, who come out of the closet and are cast out from their family and friends. Of the thousands of animals hurt for the joy of a human; of the nameless disease that has no cure and spreads like wildfire because we are naive.

Tell me if you find beauty in this, because I find nothing beautiful about the suffering of others.

Despite your idealist approach to this subject, I concur; The people of this world do tend to stick with stagnant ways of life. Simply put, it makes them feel comfortable. If they are comfortable, why should they adapt to another way? So they fight tooth-and-nail to preserve what they know, for they do not wish to see the train heading not just for them, but those who will follow in their footsteps.

BB,
Free Ur Thoughts

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MushroomTrip said:

It's hard to think about spirituality when all you've seen since the day you were born were rapes and street fights.

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FreeUrThoughts said:

Cracka_X said:

Everything is right in life. If it wasn't right then it wouldn't be able to happen?

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Tell that to a child who is raped and beaten repeatedly and left for dead on the streets, where he grows up and lives the rest of his life constantly sick of the body and mind.

Tell that to the many people, men and women alike, who come out of the closet and are cast out from their family and friends. Of the thousands of animals hurt for the joy of a human; of the nameless disease that has no cure and spreads like wildfire because we are naive.

Tell me if you find beauty in this, because I find nothing beautiful about the suffering of others.

Despite your idealist approach to this subject, I concur; The people of this world do tend to stick with stagnant ways of life. Simply put, it makes them feel comfortable. If they are comfortable, why should they adapt to another way? So they fight tooth-and-nail to preserve what they know, for they do not wish to see the train heading not just for them, but those who will follow in their footsteps.

BB,
Free Ur Thoughts

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A girl I dated was molested by a catholic priest(can you fucking believe it? the irony)

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MushroomTrip said:

True.
But I think he was referring to the fact that, besides that obvious reasons one refuses to change ( like being afraid of making bad decisions, being mentally programmed and so on ), there are also some people who basically have no chance or very few chances to see further.
I think the examples he gave show exactly that.
It's hard to think about spirituality when all you've seen since the day you were born were rapes and street fights.

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Spirituality can only come after basic survival needs are met. If you are malnourished your brain cannot even function correctly.

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Cracka_X said:

It seems people get caught up in the past and stuck to ideals that, while valid yesterday, are invalid today?

The world is ever changing and our limited knowledge of the world around us is ever changing.  Yet, there are those that will take "something" and make it their answer-to-all problems while life is much more complicated and very dynamic.

Sure there's repitition in scenarios but the context is quesitonable and I feel people will fabricate a bridge from their consisten ideal to explain the new. 

Why not take everything as a "grain of salt"?(or is it sand?)  Are we that insecure that we need to say "THIS IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ELSE IS"?  Everything is right in life.  If it wasn't right then it wouldn't be able to happen?  If I am not able to see the true beauty of everything around me for what it is, or at least to me, then I am truly blind. 

Why not let everything in for then all questions will be answered.  I need consistent balance of everything to recognize bullshit. 

I feel like I'm being a bit abstract here but does anyone feel where I'm coming from?  Life is dynamic

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The idea of true beauty is exactly that...an idea.  It is a mental construct developed by your brain in order to help you survive. Just like the idea of what is 'right' is just an idea in your head, like any other survival instinct. 

That is not to say that my response to you is that "you're wrong!" because my idea of 'wrong' is just an idea that is in my head. My brain created it, whether it's true I highly doubt it.

From here, you can then understand that you can gear your brain to think in ways that you want it to.  We've probably been doing it the entire time, but doing it consciously is in my opinion where it is at!

When you say everything is supposed to happen or else it wouldn't have happened, you are presuming a lot.  Now the act of presuming is not what I'm putting into question, rather I am putting into question how much you believe in every presumption you have made

what do you presume?

NiamhNyx said:

We live in a world that is simultaneously toostable while also utterly instable, ecological and economic disaster being very real threats, so we are afraid. Another layer of it is that we are so alienated from our communities, our selves, our desires, our own experience, that we don't know how to effect the tangible, material world and thus retreat into abstracted fantasies of escape. And of course we mustn't forget the role life-long learning. If every time someone expresses an unnaceptable idea they are treated harshly or humiliated by thier family/peers, it won't be long until they form layers of repression, and (at least superfically) mimic the ideologies of thier social network.

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