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Questions arise on second try
    #6734095 - 04/01/07 06:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hello to all, While i'm a new member of the shroomery I've been a loyal reader for some time. A friend has decided to try a few variations this time and was wondering if he could get some professional feed back, whereas most inquiries might be irrelevant.
I have seen alot of photos of terrariums being constructed of the transparent "rubermaid" storage bins, Since a mushroom needs light only to know which way is up and hence direction of growth What is the effects of having light exposure from 360 degrees as opposed to light entering only through the top side of the terrarium if any? Another point I bring up is on my friends first attempt the cultures after inocultion were just placed in a dark place seemingly this worked fine but was rather slow, I have seen various opinion as to incubation during this period of 86 degrees F with claims this speeds up colonization significantly and when the temprature drops e.g. the cakes are placed in a grow chamber it helps initiate fruiting. Is this also a significant impact on th op? and lastly I have seen statements reffering to fluresent light and sun light being ok. Would Incadecent light suffice? I would really like to thank anyone who takes the time to supply me with a few answers in advance, for my friend of course. peace!


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: Mahayana]
    #6734871 - 04/01/07 01:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Light is irrelevant for incubation of p. cubensis strains so there's no reason to go out of your way to make your incubation area dark. Generally, when people try to make it dark they end up restricting the already limited amount of gas exchange that's needed during the incubation process.

Additionally, while warmer temperatures do indeed speed up colonization of mycelium, it also promotes and speeds up colonization of contaminates as well. Cooler incubations take longer but gives the mycelium better odds of "winning out" over any possible contaminates that may have made their way into your jars.

The drop in temperature required to induce pinning only needs to be a couple degrees and, in most cases, is accomplished through the dramatic increase in filtered-air exchange and the steady rate of evaporation happening off the casing layer into the fruiting chamber.

Light is also important for pinning, and not just for giving the mushies directional bias. The reason people prefer fluorescents over incandescents is because they produce light stronger in the UV / blue spectrum which mushies seem to prefer for fruiting and, more importantly, because they don't produce very much heat meaning you can get them very close to your fruiting chamber without taking a HUGE it on heat.


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: mycocurious]
    #6737372 - 04/02/07 07:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

When using something clear you may consider wrapping the outside of them in opaque tape like duct tape,this is what I did with my sweater boxes and it all but prevented side pinning till the 2nd flush when the substrate shrinks away from the sides

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: mycocurious]
    #6737395 - 04/02/07 08:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Light is irrelevant for incubation of p. cubensis strains so there's no reason to go out of your way to make your incubation area dark. Generally, when people try to make it dark they end up restricting the already limited amount of gas exchange that's needed during the incubation process.

Additionally, while warmer temperatures do indeed speed up colonization of mycelium, it also promotes and speeds up colonization of contaminates as well. Cooler incubations take longer but gives the mycelium better odds of "winning out" over any possible contaminates that may have made their way into your jars.

The drop in temperature required to induce pinning only needs to be a couple degrees and, in most cases, is accomplished through the dramatic increase in filtered-air exchange and the steady rate of evaporation happening off the casing layer into the fruiting chamber.

Light is also important for pinning, and not just for giving the mushies directional bias. The reason people prefer fluorescents over incandescents is because they produce light stronger in the UV / blue spectrum which mushies seem to prefer for fruiting and, more importantly, because they don't produce very much heat meaning you can get them very close to your fruiting chamber without taking a HUGE it on heat.


irrelevant you say? i think not..... go back to mush school

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: Blutjager]
    #6737409 - 04/02/07 08:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just hang the flourescent grow light above the project to be fruited....... mushrooms grow in nature with 360 degrees of light so the clear sides wont matter.... cuz it grows torward the light

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: boogertool]
    #6737911 - 04/02/07 11:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mycocurious said:
Light is irrelevant for incubation of p. cubensis strains so there's no reason to go out of your way to make your incubation area dark. Generally, when people try to make it dark they end up restricting the already limited amount of gas exchange that's needed during the incubation process.




irrelevant you say? i think not..... go back to mush school




Before you turn this into an ad homimem attack, what evidence do you have that light *is* required for incubation because I incubated mine on top of my water heater with no restriction of the light that hit them and they were still fully colonized in less than 12 days.

The reason I decided not to cover them in the dark was because RR had shown a picture of his incubation room, which was nothing more than shelving racks and racks of jars in a florida sun-room type area, which was filled with about as much light as you could imagine.


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: boogertool]
    #6738950 - 04/02/07 04:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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just hang the flourescent grow light above the project to be fruited....... mushrooms grow in nature with 360 degrees of light so the clear sides wont matter.... cuz it grows torward the light





You really wanna cover the sides of the bin up to the level of the substrate...if not you will get lots of pins off the sides which make a mess and need to be dug out. Plus less pins on the bottom and sides means that the myc has more energy for pins on the top:)!


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: simplemachine]
    #6745438 - 04/04/07 08:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks alot everyone I think my friend will cover the sides of said terrarium I can't see what it would hurt, as for incubation i think he'll try the darkness at about 80 f and i read alot about shrooms perfering the blue spectrum, thanks again


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: Mahayana]
    #6745814 - 04/04/07 10:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Naraka said:
Thanks alot everyone I think my friend will cover the sides of said terrarium I can't see what it would hurt, as for incubation i think he'll try the darkness at about 80 f and i read alot about shrooms perfering the blue spectrum, thanks again




You're talking about your fruiting chamber and we're talking about the tubs/trays in which you place your substrate / bulk spawn. It's perfectly ok to have light enter all sides of your fruiting chamber, but within your fruiting chamber you will have one or more trays/tubs that are dark plastic (or otherwise modified) so that the only side of the substrate that receives light is the top layer.


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: mycocurious]
    #6745845 - 04/04/07 10:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, thats what I meant...

Thanks for clearing that up!


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: simplemachine]
    #6746153 - 04/04/07 12:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

oh ok i see yea I was just referring to the fruiting chamber the associate hasnt even tried bulk substrate yet hes still using half pint jars


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: Mahayana]
    #6746514 - 04/04/07 01:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, the idea there is just not to let light hit the sides of casing, thats all.


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: simplemachine]
    #6746577 - 04/04/07 01:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

right thatll be remembered when swim graduates to bulk, it looks like its less bull not messin with all those jars an such , proably be alot harder to rehydrate im not sure , swims gonna get a better feel for the little guys before movin on up , everyone says patience and sterility are key to success. Friends also never tried perlite hes actually going from ultra sonic humidity to this it seems more convienient it works well.


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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: Mahayana]
    #6748699 - 04/04/07 10:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

perlite is the baseline for all humidification. it's just white or dirty-white chalky looking stones sold near the moss and bark chips in any gardening section. water droplets will condense on it and evaporate back off... don't skip it.

and when using your ultrasonic, remember, you still can't see 100% humidity, the water cloud ultrasonic produces can be "too much" moisture which can suffocate the cakes.


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Questions arise on second try [Re: mycocurious]
    #6753321 - 04/06/07 07:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes my friend has had problems with "too much" from the ultra sonic setup and decided to try perlite and the occasional misting of the walls


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