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Losing weight with controlled starvation
    #6732153 - 03/31/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ok.. one of the problems with straight up sarvation as a means to lose weight is A) it sucks and hurts like hell, and B) your body begins breaking down the chemicals that it needs from your bones, muscle tissue, etc.

Now, suppose a person would begin starving his or herself, but instead of simply taking nothing into their body they kept a steady flow of protein, fiber, amino acids, vitamins and minerals going into their body via supplements. Would this counteract the body's breakdown, but still allow for the body to dissolve fat for energy?

I've just been trying to think this through. I have no intention of trying it, but most of the research that says pure starvation doesn't work comes before a lot of the supplements that existed these days.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732161 - 03/31/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think doing that fucks up your metabolism, so when you do start eating again you'd balloon right the fuck up.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: jewunit]
    #6732164 - 03/31/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not so much worried about after the fact, just getting there :smile:

This is theoretical like I said.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732171 - 03/31/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

But then what would be the point?


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: jewunit]
    #6732180 - 03/31/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Making weight for a specific event maybe?

As long as you didn't do it for too long I don't think it'd hurt you that much.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: Jadian]
    #6732184 - 03/31/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah... I had friends who used to wrestle.. they used to go on water diets to drop 15 lbs of water weight or so before weigh in, then pound some water.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732200 - 03/31/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am an ex-wrestler and a lot of my eating habits have carried over. I think i do a version of "Controlled starvation" I usually eat at most twice a day, usually only once. And when I do i just try to eat as healthy as possible, if it's all im going to eat its probably going to have a bigger effect on my system so I try to keep it to a healthy requirment. I dont scrutinize how much i weigh everyday anymore which is a horribly hard thing to break but if it doesnt help me lose weight I know im not getting any bigger. I had to add a new notch on my belt cuz my waist is too thin :undecided:.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732204 - 03/31/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

check out calorie restriction on wikipedia. It's pretty much what you're describing. Apparently it can increase your lifespan.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: Drise]
    #6732208 - 03/31/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

just eat slimfast or protein bars. Eating nothing is destructive for the body. If u eat like 300 calories a day though you will start losing like 2 lbs a week at least depending on if its a protein only diet or just calorie control. Once you start eating hardly any mass per day ur stomach shrinks and it gets easier to eat less


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: Eightball]
    #6732219 - 03/31/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I've noticed that if I eat three meals a day or more, then the next day I want that much or more food, and it just keeps increasing. Plus hunger goes away after like an hour, then comes back in about another hour, just gotta fight through it and it'll go away.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732224 - 03/31/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

dumb idea, you will end up gaining more weight.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732249 - 03/31/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Starvation is never a good idea, controlled or not. It's better to just eat 3-4 small portioned healthy meals throughout the day and keep active. IMO weight loss should be used only for health reasons, I just can't seem to find the point in some people trying to lose mass amounts of weight to conform to this image of so called perfection promoted by main stream society.
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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: GypsyFlowerChild]
    #6732257 - 03/31/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck that, I'm not unhealthy, but I could definitely stand to lose a little weight. There is nothing wrong with wanting to look good, or wanting to fit into this "mainstream society", even though I don't know too many groups of people at all that find being overweight attractive.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: jewunit]
    #6732262 - 03/31/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

jewunit said:
I think doing that fucks up your metabolism, so when you do start eating again you'd balloon right the fuck up.



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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: Colbadol]
    #6732389 - 03/31/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well, a year or two ago I did a starvation type diet...I ate just rice and apples and stuff like that.

I got really skinny and my family said I was annorexic.

(I'm a guy, and I'm now totally overweight I'm 5'9" tall and around 250 pounds, that's about 17.5 stones!)

I used to weigh about 10.5 to 11 stones from practically starving myself....

I'm tempted to do it again but it takes great mental discipline and is unhealthy.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: stickyicky13]
    #6732392 - 03/31/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Stones??


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: jewunit]
    #6732398 - 03/31/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah stones!

Its the way we measure body weight in U.K/europe

1 stone = 14 pounds


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732409 - 03/31/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Vitamin supplements ARE NOT a replacement for real, healthy food.
Starving yourself is not the answer either.
Either one of these methods is ONLY asking for trouble and medical problems.

You want to lose weight? Do it the right way.
Eat healthy, balanced meals. and EXERCISE.. get at least 15 minutes or more of cardio every day.
Drink a lot of clean water.
Cut refined sugars, caffeine, alcohol, white flours, preservatives, fried and fatty foods, hydrogenated oils, etc.. out of your diet.


Want to cleanse your system FIRST so your body can actually process all those vitamins and minerals you are consuming through your healthy diet?
Go on a fruit fast for a week. Eat nothing but raw fruit.. as much as you want. Lots of citrus.
Drink nothing but water and herb teas.

Then wean yourself onto light, healthy foods that are easily digested. Start with "light" vegetables and move your way onto harder to digest stuff like potatoes.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732620 - 03/31/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Basically what you are talking about is scratching fats and carbohydrates from an otherwise healthy diet.

This is impossible. You can't assemble healthy food from nutritional supplements. And also important to realize is that you can be almost certain that several essential substances have not been discovered yet, and you would automatically be deficient in them on a diet of powder tubs.

Take the best mineral pills you can find.
Where's the molybdenum? vanadium? lithium? bromine? rubidium? You need all these. They are atoms, meaning there are NO substitutes. They are present in your apple and your banana, but nowhere to be found in even supplement formulas of a few dollars a day.

In addition to that - on a no-carb diet you would go in a state of Ketosis. Dr Atkins can hold a long speech from the grave about how Ketosis is harmless, but I don't buy it. Your body is meant to process glucose units, end of story.
Low-carb sounds great, no-carb is a killer - even Dr Atkins agrees on that.

When you eat no carbs or fats, you will change your metabolism so that even thinking of a cookie will make you gain a pound, so to speak. It will guarantee that when you start eating again (and we all must) you will put on fat like mad.

No diet doctor recommends a no-calorie diet, and the ones who did all have been eaten by their patients.

The only people who can stick with a severely calorie restricted diet are the mentally ill - anorexia nervosa sufferers.
It goes against human nature.

If you are between 10-30% overweight you should seriously consider to try hold your ground instead of lose weight, because usually the people who are now the heaviest have lost the most kilos over their lifetime.

Being chubby isn't unhealthy - being able to knock a cow off its feet is.

If you want to lose weight: start eating healthy foods so that your weight is stable, then exercise more to take the weight off. It will be a slow process but it is not about how much pounds you can lose in a week, but how much pounds you can lose in a decade.


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Re: Losing weight with controlled starvation [Re: wiggles]
    #6732789 - 03/31/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

You'll just stave off further catabolism by what you've proposed, but it's not right. The aminos you take into your body will be used in place of glycogen.

Lose weight by keeping your diet balanced, clean and by SLOWLY dropping off a couple hundred calories. Don't constrict yourself otherwise you're going to hit a dead end and a lot of disappointment.

I don't see why people try taking so many short cuts when it comes to fatloss. They won't get you anywhere.


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