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Global warming the ultimate solution
    #6728564 - 03/30/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Since overpopulation is really the main cause of excess greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (mainly CO2), I suggest we continue to use fossil fuels like we are now and let people die off from hurricanes, tornadoes and floods. That way the population problem will be solved and there will be less usage of fossil fuels as long as enough people die off.


Alternatively, technologies can be developed to sequester carbon dioxide. There's lots of patents on this and I picked out a few examples listed below. There's even patents on producing hydrocarbons in situ from oil shale and coal. Shell Oil Company says they can produce "oil" from oil shale for about $30 a barrel and there's about a trillion barrels equivalent of oil in the US of A alone. The reason they're not doing it now is because there's more lucrative projects with conventional oil available. You can look up the patents here:

http://www.pat2pdf.org or http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=en_ep


US 5397553 Method and apparatus for sequestering carbon dioxide in the deep ocean or aquifers

US 5562891 Method for the production of carbon dioxide hydrates

US 5975020 Method for measuring and quantifying amounts of carbon from certain greenhouse gases sequestered in and by grassy and herbaceous plants above and below the soil surface

US 6108967 Pipeline utilization enhancement including carbon dioxide gas transmission, distribution, and delivery technique

US 6148602 Solid-fueled power generation system with carbon dioxide sequestration and method therefor

US 6170264 Hydrocarbon combustion power generation system with CO2 sequestration

US 6190301 Embedding of solid carbon dioxide in sea floor sediment

US 7172030 Applications of waste gas injection into natural gas reservoirs

US 7132090 Sequestration of carbon dioxide
General Motors Corporation

US 7128153 Treatment of a hydrocarbon containing formation after heating
Shell Oil Company
Appalachian Coals: Potential Reservoirs for Sequestring Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Power Plants While Enhancing CBM Production; C.W. Byer, et al., Proceedings of the International Coalbed Methane Symposium. cited by other
The Pros and Cons of Carbon Dioxide Dumping Global Warming Concerns Have Stimulated a Search for Carbon Sequestration Technologies; C. Hanisch, Environmental Science and Technology, American Chemical Society, Easton, PA. cited by other
Pilot Test Demonstrates How Carbon Dioxide Enhances Coal Bed Methane Recovery, Lanny Schoeling and Michael McGovern, Petroleum Technology Digest, Sep. 2000 p. 14-15. cited by other


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: Luddite]
    #6728710 - 03/30/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Luddite said:
Since overpopulation is really the main cause of excess greenhouse gases in the atmosphere





It isn't. If that was the case China, India and the EU would be the leading contributors to global warming, not the US.

The contribution of co2 to the environment can be attributed to specific cultural practices. Altering these practices can drastically influence the effect of global warming. Don't use your misanthropy as a shield to escape your responsibilities.


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6729136 - 03/30/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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FrenchSocialist said:

The contribution of co2 to the environment can be attributed to specific cultural practices. Altering these practices can drastically influence the effect of global warming.




Really? CULTURAL PRACTICES? Are you referring to wearing a burkha? Or, well, you know, WORKING? Because that seems to be the cultural practice that produces greenhouse gases. That and farting, which right you can pry from my cold dead rectum.


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6729147 - 03/30/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe he's talking about eating cows.


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: Luddite]
    #6730760 - 03/31/07 03:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

> Alternatively, technologies can be developed to sequester carbon dioxide.

A very large leap of faith that lowering carbon dioxide emissions will reduce global temperatures. Unfortunately, regardless of what ones believes towards 'global warming', the dynamics involved in global temperature change are much more complex than a single gas in the atmosphere.


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: Seuss]
    #6731698 - 03/31/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to point out that not all scientists who've studied global warming agree that it's happening at the present time, and some believe it's either a long way off or will never happen.

Here's a few reasons:

1) As carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere, ocean algae and plant life increase in response as a feedback mechanism.

2) As the extra algae and plants die, methane gas is given off which acts as a coolant in the atmosphere rather than a greenhouse gas.

3) Modern science (and accurate monitoring of temperatures across the globe) is a fairly recent achievement. People like to look at everything from a human timescale, but the earth has been around for billions of years and we've only had accurate global temperature readings for less than a century.

4) We don't know with good certainty if the average global temperature is really getting higher due to global warming or what the natural cycles might be. We could have cycles lasting thousands of years, for all we know. The methods at trying to ascertain this are very crude and some say very unreliable, loooking at ice levels and tree rings, etc.

5) Some scientists don't even agree with the interpretation of current numerical data, and some believe that cooling is actually taking place at the present time when the pooled data is correctly analyzed, and temperatures in portions of the huge Pacific without much land mass, along with the southern oceans in the antarctic region are taken into account.

6) The majority of the public does not even know what global warming even is. For instance, Los Angeles residents often don't understand this at all. They think of Los Angeles and the smog and elevated temperatures there and blame it on global warming. They don't understand or take into account the word "global" in global warming, and they also don't understand that the warming in LA is due largely in part to the increased pavement, and geographical characteristics with the valley, etc.

7) Global warming does not mean that every part of the planet is getting warmer. It means that the aggregate, average temperature of the entire globe is rising. During global warming, it's possible for some regions to be getting warmer, while others are getting colder. Just because a particular region is warmer than in recent decades (say the U.S.) by no means means that the global temperature must be higher.

8) The earth is not stagnant geologically, thermally, or meteorlogically. Northern Africa used to be mostly jungle, and now is mostly desert. This started happening before the industrial revolution, obviously. If it was just now happening, however, no doubt everyone would be blaming it on global warming. With the passage of time comes change on the earth. We see evidence in islands that either used to be much colder or much warmer than they are now, and the changes are too recent to be explained by continental drift, and to distant to be explained by human intervention. Thus, there's substantial proof that natural fluctuations in temperatures take place as a result of changing wind and weather patterns and ocean flow. The size of smaller islands in the pacific make it easier to determine and prove.


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Re: Global warming the ultimate solution [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6731980 - 03/31/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Really? CULTURAL PRACTICES? Are you referring to wearing a burkha? Or, well, you know, WORKING? Because that seems to be the cultural practice that produces greenhouse gases. That and farting, which right you can pry from my cold dead rectum.




I'm referring to driving ICE cars and eating too much red meat.


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