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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Blutjager]
    #6714568 - 03/26/07 09:27 PM (17 years, 6 days ago)

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Agar's Pinning Strategy


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Even though it's Hyphae's strategy... not Agar..... :mushroom2:

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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6714651 - 03/26/07 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 days ago)

I think what you're doing is counterproductive, but time will tell. If you're going to scrape off the top part of the casing layer, why not just make it less deep to begin with? In addition, anything you do to mess with the mycelium sets it back and allows contaminants a chance to get a foothold as the mycelium is trying to recover. Undoubtedly, some of the cobweb and/or trich spores that were sitting harmlessly on the surface got stirred into what casing material was left, so now they're proteced and can easily germinate and take over.

A technique that stamets teaches is to allow the casing layer to partly colonize, then scratch it up to distribute the mycelium throughout the casing, thereby speeding up the process. When I've tried this, it only set things back, but I tried it on cubes, not agaricus.

It probably doesn't need to be repeated again here, but plain verm has to be the worst possible choice for a casing layer. I've found little benefit to casing cubensis bulk substrates anyway, but if all you're using is verm to hydrate the substrate, it's easier and faster to either dunk or simply pour water in around the edges and mist the top gently and forget the casing layer altogether.

However, experimenting is how we develop new teks and learn, so go for it and keep us posted. Good luck!
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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6714800 - 03/26/07 10:42 PM (17 years, 6 days ago)

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Blutjager said:
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Agar's Pinning Strategy


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Even though it's Hyphae's strategy... not Agar..... :mushroom2:




I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that and give proper credit.

I actually recently had to do this with 4 casings.
Two days into my casing run, the very top started getting cobweb on all 4. So, I h202'd it and threw it in my greenhouse, hoping for te best, even tho my casing layer wasn't colonized yet.

24 hours later, the top of my casing layer had went green.

I removed my casings to another art of my house, took a butter knife and gently removed about the top half of my casing layer, so there was no more green.  There was no visible mycelial network for the green either. It's one of the one that sporulates very rapidly as it spreads, and desn't spread that terribly fast.
I kept checking them every day in my greenhouse waiting for the green to come back, expecting it to.
Within 36 hours I had rizo's standing on end everywhere throughout my casing layer.  A few days after that, I had tiny knots covering the entire surface... WAY to many pins to get decent sized fruits.

My green never returned, but I do have a shitload of aborts going on in those casings.
Anyways, yeah, you can scrape half the casing layer off, but it's beter to just have it even in the first place.


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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Quake3]
    #6715435 - 03/27/07 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 days ago)

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Don't worry too much about pinset, it's eye-candy and it's an art, but it doesn't affect yield.



i must object. after mastering basic sterile tek and grain/horse poo, pinning strategy and homogeneous substrates are the key to massive flushes... IMHO.
if your pinset is fucked up from the first flush how can you expect the next ones to come up right?

to the OP,
your idea is not bad. i would try and do it right from the beginning, but i could see how this would be handy in a pinch for time or maybe to save a casing in early stages of some contams.
you may wanna read up on using landscaping fabric between your sub and casing. ive done some pretty neat shit with that stuff.


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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Blutjager]
    #6715498 - 03/27/07 02:46 AM (17 years, 6 days ago)

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couldnt have said it better myself!!! this is the way to go


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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: HSIHd]
    #6715562 - 03/27/07 03:15 AM (17 years, 6 days ago)

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Agar's Pinning Strategy




It's Hyphae's Pinning Strategy.

But, I get a few "pin's" once in awhile.

NO ENVY HERE.......:tongue:


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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6715681 - 03/27/07 05:04 AM (17 years, 6 days ago)

It is nice to get feedback from some of the experts here.
I guess allowing this casing to run its course would be the way to go at this point.
If there is a worthy pinset, I will have a pic posted. If not, I will just pretend I never posted this.

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Re: Idea for more even pin set on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: supercropper]
    #6717685 - 03/27/07 07:48 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

In general I seem to find that the less you muck around with your casing layer once it is applied the better

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Re: Idea for more even pin set on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Blutjager]
    #6723753 - 03/29/07 09:14 AM (17 years, 4 days ago)

Doesn't look like my plan is working out too very well. The casing is pinning, but only 2 giant pins from one side. Hopefully they will be monsters, but regardless, the first flush will suck donkey apples.

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Re: Idea for more even pin set on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: supercropper]
    #6727499 - 03/30/07 09:29 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

I have had sucess doing what you are describing. The pics in my signature were done that way. Using fine verm I applied about 1/2" casing layer, let it colonoize for a few days, and brushed off the excess. Then I finished the grow using the bulk neglect method and everything came out pretty good. Not the best pinset but not a bad one either. I didn't notice the pins taking any longer than usual to form or any slow growth or slow recovery from the myc being damamged. Just my $.02

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Re: Idea for more even pin set on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: PornoRob]
    #6731560 - 03/31/07 11:48 AM (17 years, 2 days ago)

Bunch more pins formed over yesterday and last night, mostly along the sides. Should get a decent first flush, but definitely not a great pinset as intended.

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Re: Idea for more even pinset on casings...or pure lack of intelligence...you decide [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6732120 - 03/31/07 03:39 PM (17 years, 1 day ago)

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Sillicybin said:
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Blutjager said:
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HSIHd said:
Read this. Know this. Love this.

Agar's Pinning Strategy


:yesnod:




Even though it's Hyphae's strategy... not Agar..... :mushroom2:




Thank you! It just shows who is paying attention! Also a special thanks to Mycota :wink: who had inspired me many times! As far as pinning the less we fuck with them the better!


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