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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6762994 - 04/08/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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why not speak about what you see and not what you know?
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Silversoul]
#6763041 - 04/08/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Demotriton is cool in my book. I give him the Rush award for "Cinderalla Man of the Month". I am jealous. I always wanted that one.
Just keep at it, man. You'll get it sooner or later, you have to know your audience, that's all. I want to repent, the problem is, I don't really want to repent. I am simply grizzled scum, and I have been given wonderful grace. I am like that prodigal son, who wastes everything. It is sad. I am tired. Best of luck to you. Chances are you are probably decieved at some level, and that's why you resemble someone with that fanatical bent. It's okay, you'll come around, or maybe the way you go is the right one?
I would also like people to posibly consider that maybe the "anti-christ" realizes who he is and is sad and spiteful to God because if he does what it takes to get to Heaven he would make the scriptures fallible. He has no chance, so he pouts. Although he still realizes that maybe it is his own damn fault, and he never would do what it takes to get to Heaven anyway, there are times when he really loves God, so he knows that the way it is is for a good reason. Maybe he doesn't want to conquer the damn world, you know? He can tell that he is a bit kooky and doesn't want to be put in a position where he has to have all that responsibility and innevitably ends up hurting people and getting some damned to Hell even.
Yet his wretchedness would put to waste your compassion and sympathy. He may see this, and drive himself deeper into self-loathing and despair. He can't love a woman because he is kooky and is constantly enveloped in a slimy feeling of superficialty and ungenuine character. People compliment him, say he is a good person and what have you, but he cringes and doesn't know what to believe. Perhaps he just sits around and watches "All Dogs Go to Heaven" then he weeps. Yeah, he's probably just a nerd and a wuss watching himself go insane, trying to figure out why he even has to be alive, knowing that killing himself will just get him into Hell even sooner.
Okay that's enough of that, really, you get what you give right?
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Cracka_X]
#6763049 - 04/08/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have seen many things in the spirit. The things I have seen are hard to describe. Rainbows & colors becoming more brilliant and brighter as if some rainbow was hiding behind all the colors of our world. Kind of like how the primary colors used to make up the picture on TV sets. It was if there was another very great and wonderful reality very near to us, its almost like a veil of some kind separating. Sorry if this makes no sense, it is hard to describe.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6763075 - 04/08/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's no need in explaining what can't be explained then. Do what you love but others may see the beauty you see in a different light. At the same time, they're one in the same except you have a different angle than they.
Then again, I don't know and could very well be wrong, but that's my faith.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6763085 - 04/08/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Demotriton said: Any advice is appreciated.
My advice is to understand that others may have the same experiences as you, but interpret them differently. Know first and foremost that God is ineffable, and any description of him is at best a conditional truth.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Silversoul]
#6763206 - 04/08/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh oh
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: FreeUrThoughts]
#6763490 - 04/09/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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FreeUrThoughts said: ahh, but you make it seem as if desire were somehow undesirable. The feeling of desire is a very human trait, whether that desire be for the flesh or for a simple concept. Desire gives the goal value and the journey to the goal sweet and memorable.
Also, to have love without desire... is non-existant. Love comes from desire. Desire is a part of love. You desire love, so you go for it. If you have love, you desire to keep it. How can one feel love if they do not desire to give or take love?
BB, Free Ur Thoughts
Ok cool, good points.
How or why does desire arise? If it's not from a lacking within yourself. To me it's an impulse to add more to you than you currently are, 'This is how I feel within myself, but I would feel more if I had X, along the way of attaining X i'm happy because i'm becoming more than I am, I attain and yet i'm the same, i'm still less than what I desire'.
If desire was a satisfying emotion we wouldn't need to attain. If attaining was satisying, we would no longer desire.
You cannot desire while being fulfilled, to desire is to be lacking, is to be empty of God within yourself. Because what is God, or knowing God, if it's not everything you desire and love as already being within yourself.
In the garden of eden Satan gave rise to desire. And it's a really small switch in perspective but what it did was separate Adam and Eve from having all within themselves, to being less than who they were, to now being empty of God or all that was already within them. That doesn't mean God is less than what they desired, but rather when they desired, they no longer knew God.
They cast themselves out from a lack of understanding of who they are, that is the original sin, that is why it is a human trait, we're born sinners, or a better way of saying it is we are born not knowing God. God is hidden, not because God is hiding, but because we misunderstand ourselves.
I mean, really, forget about religion. Christianity should never ever have been seen as a religion, and you can tell those who understand Christianity from those who don't very easily. Unfortunately those who reject Christianity seem do so from a lacking of understanding of the shortcomings or misunderstandings of its followers, not christianity itself.
I can see what you're saying but love is love, once desire or fear arises it becomes something else. When you feel love you feel love, if you think about it and see desire as being a part of love, are you feeling love, or are you feeling desire as being a part of love? I think it's just a question of purity rather than definition, but it's a good question.
The idea of heaven and of hell are just two ways of approaching eternity. One where all that you need to be satisfied is outside of yourself, and the other where all that you need to be satisfied 'IS' yourself. It's easy to misunderstand that, a Christian will give up themselves because they recognise without God they are empty. Surrender your self to know God, you're surrendering emptiness to know yourself as everything.
I don't go into bible quotes, but I remember Jesus explaining one thing that happens in the afterlife. The inside becomes the outside, nothing that is inside is hidden. To me that makes sense, because when you remove the external (death), what are you left with?
Following the perspective of hell, you are a void. You choose hell because you only know God through the external, through the emptiness of being that arises from desire, for it is how you knew yourself in this life. That is what I think Demotriton means by Satan proclaiming himself as God, not just as God, but as the God you know and have chosen. The choice to choose Satan will be a no brainer to those who don't know or understand.
Words are a pain in the arse when trying to get a point across.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Shattered]
#6771106 - 04/10/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Time is getting shorter. How confident our you in your beliefs? Your works? Your knowledge, wisdom? Can it save you from the worst disaster the world has seen? Can you see the future? Do you know where it is safe? There is a safe place that God spoke of to his people through the prophets of long ago. He told us where to look to find it. He gave us signs, and will give us more as the time approaches. If you feel you are fine and don't need to be saved, you won't, just don't curse God for the chastisements that will befall the earth because you were warned. God is going to prove to the world that only in only his name can we have life. That in only his name can we be saved. That we are scrap for the fire without him. He created us so that we would one day come to know his love, & trust in him. For thousands of years all world events have been leading up to this point. For the last time he will offer his hand of mercy. Will you take it?
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6771151 - 04/10/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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He gave us signs,
Speaking of signs.;)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Icelander]
#6771174 - 04/10/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can say that again!
Dude, enough already!
-------------------- All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6771208 - 04/10/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Demotriton said: If you feel you are fine and don't need to be saved, you won't, just don't curse God for the chastisements that will befall the earth because you were warned.
so he prepares to dish out mayhem but nobody should curse the bastard because we were warrned? So were the Iraquis..
Edited by aryah (04/10/07 05:10 PM)
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: aryah]
#6771379 - 04/10/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
--Epicurus
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
--Galileo Galilei
How can a god of unconditional love and infinite compassion also be wrathful and condemning? How can an omnipotent being not be powerful enough to abolish evil? How can an infinitely wise entity fail to understand the human plight? How could a purely benevolent force allow its children to suffer?
and really think about this! These are some very basic logical contradictions and impossibilities! Contemplate these ideas until you understand them. Then you will see through this beguiling dogma.
Stop living in the fear of Hell and start living by the love of Christ.
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: SoY]
#6771395 - 04/10/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think he's bothered by fear, I think he enjoys it... might be some kind of religious fetish of a kind... thing is we're all getting tired and alarmed by the increasing number of Christians on this forum and their stubbornness.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6771407 - 04/10/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed.
-------------------- "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
#6771740 - 04/10/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Demotriton said: Time is getting shorter. How confident our you in your beliefs? Your works? Your knowledge, wisdom? Can it save you from the worst disaster the world has seen? Can you see the future? Do you know where it is safe? There is a safe place that God spoke of to his people through the prophets of long ago. He told us where to look to find it. He gave us signs, and will give us more as the time approaches. If you feel you are fine and don't need to be saved, you won't, just don't curse God for the chastisements that will befall the earth because you were warned. God is going to prove to the world that only in only his name can we have life. That in only his name can we be saved. That we are scrap for the fire without him. He created us so that we would one day come to know his love, & trust in him. For thousands of years all world events have been leading up to this point. For the last time he will offer his hand of mercy. Will you take it?
why would you say something like that? Wake up and smell the bacon. Maybe try and get a girlfriend or something.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: mr_kite]
#6771753 - 04/10/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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... Or boyfriend? Just examining the possibilities.
Now really dude, I don't like your God at all.
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6771930 - 04/10/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I don't think he's bothered by fear, I think he enjoys it... might be some kind of religious fetish of a kind... thing is we're all getting tired and alarmed by the increasing number of Christians on this forum and their stubbornness.
They come and go. It's fun durning the go time but you got to take the good with the God, er bad.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Icelander]
#6771944 - 04/10/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yup... Christianity has a price... like... our souls
-------------------- All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6771948 - 04/10/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I go barefoot.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6772064 - 04/10/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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This bisexual named Bubbles said having a lesbian ram him up the ass with a strap on was the best experiecne of his life. He said they use so much lube that he didn't feel anything!
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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