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OfflineFreeUrThoughts
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6747936 - 04/04/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Did I not say God respects freedom of choice. Why? because he wants us to have ANYTHING we want because he loves us. If some one CHOOSES to go to Hell on their own. God will not stop them because, he would not be righteous if he stopped us from doing something WE want to do. Everything I said about God is true. Whys is it so hard to believe that people choose Hell & God respects freedom of choice? Love cannot exist without freedom of choice.

How can you possibly say no to God when he loves you so much and is begging for you to come back to him? HE WILL TELL YOU if you come back to him. He can teach you what you need to know. Just come back to him. I you don't believe me, believe him, but you must come to him with a contrite heart, and put your trust in him. Trust Jesus.




Let me understand this logic here...

God does not interfere with our freedom of choice, so we can do whatever we want, and even choose to go to hell. I seriously doubt people actively choose to go to hell, so this is a loaded statement which tells me this: whatever wrong or immoral choice we choose to make is a one-way ticket to hell. If we make an "immoral" choice we are choosing hell indirectly.

This logic is not exactly stupid, but it is very much devious. Apparently the god you speak of is a knave. We are not allowed to have our cake and eat it too, despite how you say He allows us this.

However, if the god you refer to just so happens to not be a knave, then hell simply does not exist and is a fabrication of humans to scare one-another into submission and abuse His good name for power. This is ironic, considering that with this logic your God would allow this to go unpunished.

Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: FreeUrThoughts]
    #6748094 - 04/04/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I seriously doubt people actively choose to go to hell, so this is a loaded statement which tells me this: whatever wrong or immoral choice we choose to make is a one-way ticket to hell. If we make an "immoral" choice we are choosing hell indirectly.

What makes you think people don't choose Hell? Hell seems like heaven for those that go there since they are lovers of Godlessness. Do you know that no one on earth's idea of heaven is heaven. Thats why we need to trust Jesus to get there. We could never choose it on our own. NONE of us can make it to heaven with our efforts. We need Jesus, our savior. Our efforts take us anywhere but heaven. This is why Jesus said we must deny ourselves to follow him. We have no righteousness of our own, we must approach God with a contrite heart and invite him to live within us. Our ways don't lead to heaven, so we must deny our ways, and trust God's ways to enter heaven. We have no life if God does not live within us. The only way we can live is to deny ourselves and give ourselves to God.

God created us for love, not for us to separate ourselves from him by denying his existence. He loves us so much! It is US that turn our backs on him. He doesn't interfere because he respects our choices, but still wants US to choose him, he doesn't force us.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6748267 - 04/04/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Does "God" still talk to you (as in literally), Demotriton?

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #6748278 - 04/04/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Does "God" still talk to you (as in literally), Demotriton?



And what's he sound like? George Burns?


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6748905 - 04/04/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds kind of pissed to me. Oh was I on camera. Oops.


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6749348 - 04/05/07 03:00 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I seriously doubt people actively choose to go to hell, so this is a loaded statement which tells me this: whatever wrong or immoral choice we choose to make is a one-way ticket to hell. If we make an "immoral" choice we are choosing hell indirectly.

What makes you think people don't choose Hell? Hell seems like heaven for those that go there since they are lovers of Godlessness.




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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: aryah]
    #6749359 - 04/05/07 03:10 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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aryah said:
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Demotriton said:
I seriously doubt people actively choose to go to hell, so this is a loaded statement which tells me this: whatever wrong or immoral choice we choose to make is a one-way ticket to hell. If we make an "immoral" choice we are choosing hell indirectly.

What makes you think people don't choose Hell? Hell seems like heaven for those that go there since they are lovers of Godlessness.




As I was walking among the fires of Hell, delighted with the enjoyments of Genius, which to Angels look like torment and insanity...
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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6751519 - 04/05/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

God reveals things to me in many different ways.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6751547 - 04/05/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Demotriton said:
Did I not say God respects freedom of choice. Why? because he wants us to have ANYTHING we want because he loves us. If some one CHOOSES to go to Hell on their own. God will not stop them because, he would not be righteous if he stopped us from doing something WE want to do. Everything I said about God is true. Whys is it so hard to believe that people choose Hell & God respects freedom of choice? Love cannot exist without freedom of choice.

How can you possibly say no to God when he loves you so much and is begging for you to come back to him? HE WILL TELL YOU if you come back to him. He can teach you what you need to know. Just come back to him. I you don't believe me, believe him, but you must come to him with a contrite heart, and put your trust in him. Trust Jesus.




Your doctrine eliminates the fact that man is in bondage to sin from birth and has no "free will". God is the one who puts a new heart in His people and makes them new creations. It is ALL His work. Man let to his own would continue in his lost state forever and no one would become saved. God does not beg, He is all powerful, and never fails at what He purposes. I trust Jesus, just not the one you are proclaiming in these forums.

"HE WILL TELL YOU if" - See how you hinge salvation on the sinner. Pure works salvation. No one is ever justified by works, ever.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: fivepointer]
    #6751555 - 04/05/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Here we go again...


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: fivepointer]
    #6751567 - 04/05/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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fivepointer said:
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Demotriton said:
Did I not say God respects freedom of choice. Why? because he wants us to have ANYTHING we want because he loves us. If some one CHOOSES to go to Hell on their own. God will not stop them because, he would not be righteous if he stopped us from doing something WE want to do. Everything I said about God is true. Whys is it so hard to believe that people choose Hell & God respects freedom of choice? Love cannot exist without freedom of choice.

How can you possibly say no to God when he loves you so much and is begging for you to come back to him? HE WILL TELL YOU if you come back to him. He can teach you what you need to know. Just come back to him. I you don't believe me, believe him, but you must come to him with a contrite heart, and put your trust in him. Trust Jesus.




Your doctrine eliminates the fact that man is in bondage to sin from birth and has no "free will". God is the one who puts a new heart in His people and makes them new creations. It is ALL His work. Man let to his own would continue in his lost state forever and no one would become saved. God does not beg, He is all powerful, and never fails at what He purposes. I trust Jesus, just not the one you are proclaiming in these forums.

"HE WILL TELL YOU if" - See how you hinge salvation on the sinner. Pure works salvation. No one is ever justified by works, ever.




That logic sanctions child abuse.


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6754917 - 04/06/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

How can we hear God if we don't listen? How can we find God if we don't seek him?

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6755748 - 04/06/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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How can we hear God if we don't listen?



Of everyone on this forum, you seem to have the biggest problem listening.


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6755806 - 04/06/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Demotriton said:
I seriously doubt people actively choose to go to hell, so this is a loaded statement which tells me this: whatever wrong or immoral choice we choose to make is a one-way ticket to hell. If we make an "immoral" choice we are choosing hell indirectly.

What makes you think people don't choose Hell? Hell seems like heaven for those that go there since they are lovers of Godlessness. Do you know that no one on earth's idea of heaven is heaven. Thats why we need to trust Jesus to get there. We could never choose it on our own. NONE of us can make it to heaven with our efforts. We need Jesus, our savior. Our efforts take us anywhere but heaven. This is why Jesus said we must deny ourselves to follow him. We have no righteousness of our own, we must approach God with a contrite heart and invite him to live within us. Our ways don't lead to heaven, so we must deny our ways, and trust God's ways to enter heaven. We have no life if God does not live within us. The only way we can live is to deny ourselves and give ourselves to God.

God created us for love, not for us to separate ourselves from him by denying his existence. He loves us so much! It is US that turn our backs on him. He doesn't interfere because he respects our choices, but still wants US to choose him, he doesn't force us.




So... hell doesn't actually exist except in our minds? To say there is a hell at all means that there has to be a definitive realm or idea known as Hell. If hell is what we wish it to be, then what makes it different than heaven? If there is no difference, then why have a hell at all?


What makes you think people don't choose Hell? Hell seems like heaven for those that go there since they are lovers of Godlessness.


... Then why believe in god at all? If it does seem like heaven, how are we being punished by going to hell? If we enjoy hell, then, as you said, that would be our heaven and make the purpose of living a godly life moot. Pointless. Asinine.

Your arguments are becoming more and more self-destructive.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: FreeUrThoughts]
    #6756652 - 04/07/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The problem with hell is eternity.

We desire, we attain, we get bored, we desire, we attain. Even in paradise, it lasts so long before we begin to desire something new to satisfy us. Looking at my time on earth, the time between satisfied and bored is short, make it an eternity rather than 80 years or so of life and I can see where Demotriton is coming from.

God in itself provides satisfaction, love. Heaven I imagine could last an eternity with satisfaction, but hell imo would corrupt a person fairly quickly. It would change a person, their desires, at some point pain is most desireable, being able to feel. Having a path that takes you through eternity, and every possibility will eventuate at some point including hell. Heaven is a state of arrival, there is no path, no desire, just deep love and satisfaction and peace. The search for that in my mind is a search for God.

Finding inner peace and love versus having all that you desire.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6756786 - 04/07/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God?"
Simple, I show, where he is wrong.
Next.


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Shattered]
    #6762085 - 04/08/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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The problem with hell is eternity.

We desire, we attain, we get bored, we desire, we attain. Even in paradise, it lasts so long before we begin to desire something new to satisfy us. Looking at my time on earth, the time between satisfied and bored is short, make it an eternity rather than 80 years or so of life and I can see where Demotriton is coming from.

God in itself provides satisfaction, love. Heaven I imagine could last an eternity with satisfaction, but hell imo would corrupt a person fairly quickly. It would change a person, their desires, at some point pain is most desireable, being able to feel. Having a path that takes you through eternity, and every possibility will eventuate at some point including hell. Heaven is a state of arrival, there is no path, no desire, just deep love and satisfaction and peace. The search for that in my mind is a search for God.

Finding inner peace and love versus having all that you desire.




ahh, but you make it seem as if desire were somehow undesirable. The feeling of desire is a very human trait, whether that desire be for the flesh or for a simple concept. Desire gives the goal value and the journey to the goal sweet and memorable.

Also, to have love without desire... is non-existant. Love comes from desire. Desire is a part of love. You desire love, so you go for it. If you have love, you desire to keep it. How can one feel love if they do not desire to give or take love?

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6762832 - 04/08/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Demotriton said:
How can we hear God if we don't listen?



Of everyone on this forum, you seem to have the biggest problem listening.




I am sorry for not listening. I am still learning. The spirit really cleared things up for me this weekend. I have the right intentions but the wrong approach.

For all people I have offended on here I am sorry.

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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Demotriton]
    #6762855 - 04/08/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Demotriton said:
I have the right intentions but the wrong approach.



I think you hit the nail on the head here. Despite some of your ranting, which I've gotten rather tired of, I see that you've had mystical experiences much like my own, and I can empathise with that. My concern is that you seem to have trouble properly integrating those experiences. One thing I've learned over time is that the mystical experience is not the whole of mysticism. A proper foundation of self-reflection and analysis is also needed.


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Re: What do you plan to do when Satan proclaims himself God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6762990 - 04/08/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Slowly like a picture being developed the spirit is revealing these things to me. It makes, more & more sense as time goes by. I know I will just have to be patient in God's time for the full plan to be revealed. Any advice is appreciated.

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