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Offlineleery11
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Re: LSD! [Re: Diploid]
    #6728322 - 03/30/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

if LSD is such a prime key in absolute rebirth and "salvation" or grace, why then (i know the obvious answer) is it such a backseat in the lives of almost everyone on the entire planet?

Suppression by authority alone shouldn't account for the lack of influence LSD has in the lives of most people that ever exist, and many people who are spiritual seekers for some reason or another may not ever partake in it.

I have never partaken of it. Though you don't need LSD or DMT to attain clear light.

I'd say blessed are those who attain clear light without anything other than intention.

So are tools fine to use? The languages used to construct the reality of drug (or tool, or sacrament, or entheogen, or menace to society) are such a crucial framework. It then I suppose becomes a matter of personal opinion (/experience)


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Re: LSD! [Re: leery11]
    #6728374 - 03/30/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think it appeals to everyone, and I don't think it should appeal to everyone.
it is to my taste, though not very comfortable all the way through to be sure.
that discomfort could drive people away from it.
it makes me writhe a bit, or act a bit like I have't stretched in weeks, which I think is my alimentary canal peristalsis being synasthesia-ed into my general perceptions.
I get that from all psychedelics as a drawback.
many people don't eat before or during for that reason,
it is ok once I acclimate to the effects of all senses mixing up.


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Re: LSD! [Re: leery11]
    #6728487 - 03/30/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'd say blessed are those who attain clear light without anything other than intention.

I'd say those who haven't tried it can never be certain they've attained clear light, eh? :grin:


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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
    #6728500 - 03/30/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

it's all subjective


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Re: LSD! [Re: Cracka_X]
    #6728587 - 03/30/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

murky clarity everytime


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Invisibledblaney
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Re: LSD! [Re: Cracka_X]
    #6728588 - 03/30/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
it's all subjective




Except for that statement?


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: LSD! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6728692 - 03/30/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Wow! You've got a personally signed letter from Albert Hoffman! That's so cooooool  :rockon: :wink: :thumbup:


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Re: LSD! [Re: dblaney]
    #6728702 - 03/30/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

dblaney said:
Quote:

Cracka_X said:
it's all subjective




Except for that statement?




heh, ok I believe whatever you're looking for, you will find.


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Re: LSD! [Re: leery11]
    #6729127 - 03/30/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So are tools fine to use?

It's not easy to build anything without them. Meditation is also a tool. To each his own.:thumbup:


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Re: LSD! [Re: Icelander]
    #6729224 - 03/30/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Meditation is also a tool.




I disagree, ultimately, meditation, like life and reality, is an end in itself.

And that, is a lot of commas. :grin:


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: LSD! [Re: dblaney]
    #6729232 - 03/30/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The end of what?

It's a frickin tool. I have used it myself and know this to be fact.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: LSD! [Re: Icelander]
    #6729239 - 03/30/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure I know what you mean "the end of what?" It's not the end of anything. I'm saying that it's not a means to an end, which is what a "tool" would imply.

To what end would it be used as a means?


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: LSD! [Re: dblaney]
    #6729246 - 03/30/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

To the end of quieting the internal dialog. Accessing your self healing powers. Reducing stress and possibly enlightenment.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: LSD! [Re: dblaney]
    #6729256 - 03/30/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

To what end would it be used as a means?


I don't really see anything as an end in itself; it seems to me that meditation is a good way to become centered in order to bring more awareness into the more chaotic realms of social interaction and physical and intellectual activities.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
    #6729387 - 03/30/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The effect of LSD on my life has been incalculable, and it's only been a couple years since I first tried it. I truly consider it sacred, and think of Albert Hoffman as a saint for having brought this miracle into the world. It blew open the doors of perception for me, and I will never see the world the same way again. It set me on my current spiritual path, though despite the misconceptions of some here, it merely inspired me to walk that path, and is not the path itself. Nonetheless, I am eternally grateful for LSD and the gifts it has bestowed on me.


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Re: LSD! [Re: Silversoul]
    #6729503 - 03/30/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I'd say blessed are those who attain clear light without anything other than intention.

I'd say those who haven't tried it can never be certain they've attained clear light, eh? :grin:



i have attained clear light with marijuana, without LSD.

better yet to be able to do it through yoga or meditation, then you really are enlightened, it's not a short trip up then back down.


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Re: LSD! [Re: leery11]
    #6729512 - 03/30/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

leery11 said:
Quote:

Diploid said:
I'd say blessed are those who attain clear light without anything other than intention.

I'd say those who haven't tried it can never be certain they've attained clear light, eh? :grin:



i have attained clear light with marijuana, without LSD.

better yet to be able to do it through yoga or meditation, then you really are enlightened, it's not a short trip up then back down.


Maybe, but you sound kind of pretentious.  LSD is not some cheap trick enlightenment, but like anything else you get what you give, so your experience will probably be more rewarding if you are already doing good work on yourself.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: LSD! [Re: Icelander]
    #6729905 - 03/30/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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To the end of quieting the internal dialog.




Huehue posted a great quote from Krishnamurti here recently. I agree with his position that the mind is intrinsically quiet and motionless. (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6681520#6681520). The internal dialog cannot be suppressed. It can end, but it must fall away of its own accord, which happens when you practice intense objective mindfulness. Trying to suppress or quiet the internal dialog is a form of violence, and actually is a subtle way of perpetuating illusion/misinterpretation itself, by giving the impression that there is someone to suppress and something to be suppressed.

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Reducing stress




Meditation is not a tool for stress reduction. It's true that meditation very often has a calming and relaxing effect, but one does not meditate for the purpose of relaxation (actually, one can do that, but it would not be true meditation).

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possibly enlightenment




I suppose if you're going to have a goal in meditation, this would be the best one, because it is fairly dynamic. However, in the words of the grand master of Zen Buddhism, practice is itself enlightenment. Meditation is itself an expression of enlightenment. We meditate because we are intrinsically enlightened, not to become enlightened. There is nothing to gain. Enlightenment is not something we get, but something that we realize. We're like fish swimming in water who don't realize that we're swimming in water. In this analogy, enlightenment would be realizing that "Hey, we're swimming in water!"

:heart:


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: LSD! [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #6729942 - 03/30/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

One of three, I believe. We corresponded for a short while. I sent him a copy of a little booklet that taught how to make LSD from Morning Glory seeds and he corroborated that it would work. I communicated over the relationship of Christian faith as it might result from The Psychedelic Experience, and we were in agreement. He probably didn't (doesn't) recognize how Gnostic his Christianity is!


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Re: LSD! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6730916 - 03/31/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
One of three, I believe. We corresponded for a short while. I sent him a copy of a little booklet that taught how to make LSD from Morning Glory seeds and he corroborated that it would work. I communicated over the relationship of Christian faith as it might result from The Psychedelic Experience, and we were in agreement. He probably didn't (doesn't) recognize how Gnostic his Christianity is!


Have you ever tried woodrose LSD? I've never heard of anyone who has, but Terence McKenna gave a really cool account of its effects on him and how they differ from normal LSD in one of his lectures; something about being transported on-sight for a Mayan festival of worship.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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