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felixhigh
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Compost VS Wood lovers
#6718270 - 03/27/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was wondering which kind - compost or wood lovers - would be the simplest to cultivate, requiring the less work/investiment possible per harvested kilo.
I have never grown woodlovers, but today I found a relatively small wood stump producing a LOT of Grifola frondosa, are all wood lovers such heavy fruiters?
Do they take much longer to colonizate than compost lovers?
Thanks,
FH
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Re: Compost VS Wood lovers [Re: felixhigh]
#6718463 - 03/27/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess it all depends on the resources you have available.
If you've got lots of forest acreage, woodlovers of course would be your best bet using stump/log cultivation which offers a long-term reward... Or use paper wastes for growing something like oysters...
Then again if you have horses around, chickens, access to straw, then making compost for agaricus, coprinus, *et al.* would be a way to produce well on a large scale.
Try some oysters on stuff like: newspaper, sawdust/bran, pelletized hardwood fuel, etc. etc. Lotsa great stuff to read on this forum.
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Re: Compost VS Wood lovers [Re: felixhigh]
#6718513 - 03/27/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you choose those that grow on compost, you´ll need to prepare the compost which is some work to do. The good part is that usually you don´t need to sterilize the substrate when using compost, pasteurization suffices. Wood lovers substrate is sterilized which is a pain in the ass if you plan to sterilize 500 bags. Some people pasteurize it but I don´t know if it´s a good way of doing things if we are talking about making bussiness here. Wood lovers for a good steady production, you´ll need a retort or autoclave which is expensive. You can try what some call super pasteurization: pasteurizing for 12 hours or so. Many small/medium growers use this method in China and such places, and it seems to work. Some shrooms are easy and some are not, it doesn´t depend on the substrate they grow on.
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Re: Compost VS Wood lovers [Re: Semilanceata] 1
#6718676 - 03/27/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't really grow many gourmet mushrooms on compost except for agaricus, and when you can buy them in the grocery store for $3 per pound, I see no point. The farms probably get half that or less, which makes it non profitable unless you're growing truckloads. The mrs and I eat a lot of 'button' mushrooms, but we buy them at the store. 
Sawdust-woodchip substrates are sterilized for the wheat bran that is used to supplement it. You can inoculate logs for outdoor grows by simply cutting and inoculating.
Oysters and lion's mane grow well on paper, wood, or straw. RR
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Re: Compost VS Wood lovers [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6718851 - 03/28/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You think there is anything to Stamets claims that buttons cause cancer? He likens eating them to smoking a cigarette only he says they effect your whole body rather than just your lungs. I think he's a bit fruity myself...
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Who cares, Im not worried about cancer causing agaricus.
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felixhigh
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Re: Compost VS Wood lovers [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6718889 - 03/28/07 01:21 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi all, thanks a lot for the prompt inputs!
Indeed the Agaricus species are very popular and probably not the best choice for my small business project as the big companies totally rule the market even on Agaricus blazei (braziliensis) here in Brazil.
I am starting to see advantages on the outdoor log grow... Despite the long time it takes to colnize logs, it would be well suited for me, because I have lots of space for log piles rather than a shelf grow.
Could I invest on extra inoculation in order to shorten the colonization time? If not I´ll start a pile of bran/sawdust logs for my personal needs...
RR recommended Lions Mane and Oysters... What other species would you guys recommend me to start with? It will be on outdoor logs.
I know that Shiitake and Pleurotus species are getting more popular in my region, and the price is much higher than Agaricus species.
I get a bit wary of growing a totally new species to the market, but that could also be a nice strategy, an exclusive product.
FH
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yeah I heard that to,said by Stamets,did a quickish search and didn't find anything... any info is much appreciated!!
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