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Paying LSD forward
    #6718604 - 03/27/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Alright... i've just spent a few hours reading Chinacat's old posts on LSD, and they started to reinforce some conclusions I came to on recent trips.

I was very disappointed, sad, almost devastated by the fact that LSD is such a controlled and misunderstood commodity. It has been corrupted by the weakness of humans just like religion- that is to say, both LSD and religion strive towards something good, something indescribable, something greater than humans, but greedy priests and politicians decided to twist religion around to make it into a scheme to advance their own political goals, and soon the people who need guidance become jaded and something that was once beautiful becomes tarnished. In other words, something that was conceived to promote consciousness gets turned around into something that guards and promotes ignorance. The same thing happened with the psychadelic 60's culture- it was turned into marketing schemes by people with profit in mind.

I have sampled some LSD that comes not from profit seeking chemists, but from the people known as "family." Ayahuasca brewers believe that the intent and every energy that goes into growing the plant affect its affect on the user. I think the same is true of LSD... I have had crap LSD from sweet breath bottles and effect no where near as good as the "family" stuff. I don't think it has to do with potency, but rather with intent... of course there is no scientific evidence for this, just a feeling.

In the midst of a hurricane-like trip, I realized that I was one of these people, though I had no formal connection to them- I am family... that is to say, LSD is a huge part of my life, and will always be. That I can no longer think of making profit from LSD but that it is my responsibility given from God(or whatever you want to call all that stuff) to try to share enlightenment and consciousness to move towards a more harmonious universe. Such is the duty of all psychonauts, I believe. I no longer feared( and even now hardly fear at all) death, because I caught a brief glimpse of the nature of consciousness... btw I come from a non-religious scientific background. LSD is a sacrament.
So in other words I have started giving away LSD. If this sounds stupid to you maybe you need a big dose. Putting a price on LSD is like charging people for time in a confessional, like leasing the right to meditate, or pricing spiritual guidance by the hour... even if it is high school kids trying to "get fucked up" it still is taking them places they haven't been before and I know that not so long ago I was one of those high school kids trying to get high, when shrooms changed my life... I easily could've become one of those unhappy people sitting in traffic going to work a shit job that had not future other than the potential for more money- plugged into the consumer matrix, living, buying consuming, dying, doing what I was told by the media/federal government.

Though I am by no means enlightened, and I am still a part of this crazy system, it seems to me that enlightenment is harmful to profit. Happy people buy less. Buddhist monks who achieve spiritual fulfillment buy less than anyone! And this is harmful to the powers that be. This is why LSD is harmful to the powers that be, and why it is illogically schedule I. I can't say that I am better than people who are content with letting their only drug be American Idol(on some level I'm sure I think I am but most of me knows this is not true) the people who go through life half awake, aware of only a fraction of what there is. I am only just aware enough to get the feeling that this is not right.. and I really am not in a position to judge, but I can say that I really feel like LSD is a divine gift and every person should have a chance to try it.

This is why it makes me sad when I see people focusing on the money side of it, or when I see people posting on these boards complaining about not being able to find it... I think that something needs to happen to replace what was lost when the dead stopped touring, and ideally something bigger and more inclusive. I sometimes sensed a kind of elitism from certain sub-cultures in the "hippy" world, which sucks. Divisions, nationalism, violence, racism, are all based on the notion that certain humans are better than other humans, which really isn't true. Everyone has a role to play, something they can do to make the world a better place. And I hope no one on this board will deny that the world is a better place because of psychadelics.

So- to get to my point an idea just occured to me. I've recently dosed quite a few people for free, even a couple who had never tried psychadelics before. This is kind of expensive to me and I don't have a lot of money to begin with, but I have to hope that it will work out. I saw a movie a while ago called "Battle of Algiers" it describes a terrorist organization in Algeria fighting for liberation from the French. They have a system where each fighter recruits two people, and the two recruits each recruit two. This way every member of the organization only knows three members- the one who recruited them and the two they recruited. This way pretty soon the whole country were member and the french lost... but anyway violence sucks but the idea works.

I propose the same thing with LSD... I mean, everyone must know at least two people they really can trust, even if it's family members or friends, or even someone who seems honest and open minded to you. But the ideal would be people who have never tried LSD before and seem like good candidates; stable, open minded, honest, discreet. Well this must sound really naive. But I think that the world will become a better place if each individual who has access to LSD shares it at no cost to at least two other individuals, on the condition that those two share it with at least two others. Think of it as a charitable donation, I mean, sacrificing a few hundred bucks to spread positive feelings and self awareness and change is no big deal... think of it like putting money in the collection tray at church. If everyone who reads this and hasn't already encountered this idea(I'm sure I'm not the first one to think it up) would do this, all the people all over the country and around the world could do this, well maybe we would start seeing more and more positive change in the world.

Also, if a network of supply like this was established all over the country, maybe it could fill a lot of the vacuum left by the grateful dead. LSD is still out there, but a lot of ordinary people are left without access to it... I just think a new, non-profit, network of supply for everyone, not just people belonging to trance, rave, hippy, or whatever other subcultures that have in part filled the vacuum. So well if you've read this whole thing tell me what you think... I will try to start this myself, but it would be cool if people all over the place started similar things going too. If a serious pyramid got started and stable, money could just be sent up to the top to get some crystal, lay it and spread it back down to the whole pyramid. And if anyone got tangled up with law enforcement all it takes is one person in the pyramid with the good faith to do a little time to preserve the rest of the pyramid... well tell me what you think everybody, who's in?

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Daqq]
    #6718612 - 03/27/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

That's alot to read so I'll just get to the point. You can pay forward to me. PM me for my addy.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Cowgold]
    #6718689 - 03/27/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah. I'm number 2.


Hit me up... yo?


Heh, no but for real man, that's such a great dream. Wouldn't it work with any psychoactive? LSD is something I've never tried, but I'd like to, to be honest.


If everyone in the world were to smoke a joint, the world would be a better place.

And we all know it.



Our media, the gateway of hell, the obliviator of freedom, would be changed. Unbiased, and psychedelic.

The world would be perfect. Go with your dream bro, just don't get busted. =)

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: kryp7onite]
    #6718713 - 03/28/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

giving it away free would probably get you busted faster than dealing it.


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Cowgold]
    #6718715 - 03/28/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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That's alot to read so I'll just get to the point. You can pay forward to me. PM me for my addy.




well i read it all and i say we vote this dude for president!


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6718750 - 03/28/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Cowgold said:
That's alot to read so I'll just get to the point. You can pay forward to me. PM me for my addy.




well i read it all and i say we vote this dude for president!




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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Legend9123]
    #6718771 - 03/28/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

And so began the evolution of the "drop acid, not bombs" protest sign into the dirtiest hippy camaign slogan EVAR, LOL.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Cowgold]
    #6718786 - 03/28/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

oh by the way... I should add that I don't look like a hippy at all... you would never guess it by looking at me. I mean bombs are cool but I'd rather someone dropped acid on me rather than, say, a neutron bomb.

kinda what im saying though is that just because the hippies didn't entirely succeed doesn't mean we should give up... it bugs me that i don't fit in with hippies- it's always kind of awkward and i am excluded.. i just want to take the 60's counterculture torch and keep carrying it, but make it for everyone, even people who aren't middle class white kids like most lsd users...

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Daqq]
    #6718934 - 03/28/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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that is to say, both LSD and religion strive towards something good, something indescribable, something greater than humans, but greedy priests and politicians decided to twist religion around to make it into a scheme to advance their own political goals,



:whatever:
LSD has no design as it is not alive, it cannot strive towards anything no matter how much you wish it could.
LSD is a fucking drug man.  It makes the world go 'woooooo' and you laugh and laugh, the walls vibrate music sounds cool, you love everybody because your brain is jacked up with a drug.  I dont give a shit about lsd beyond its immediate satisfaction to me as an occasional drug that is amusing to be on.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: TheCow]
    #6718957 - 03/28/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree. I know it's not alive, but I see it as a tool. If man hadn't used tools, the bears would have eaten us. Tools made the human race survive, and LSD is a powerful tool.


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: AlCapwn]
    #6718984 - 03/28/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

well that's okay, it still means your life is better than it would be if the drug didn't exist... but the difference is that is what a low dose does... when you start getting in the 1500 mic range things start to happen... in any case, you can't deny that LSD has had a profound effect in shaping our society... what would the world be like if the counterculture hadn't happened? Or had happened without LSD? I don't know.. but it is a powerful tool, there is no denying.. just like bears would've eaten us without spears, maybe atom bombs would've already destroyed us without LSD, there is no telling. What I can say for sure is that my life is WAAAAAY better for having experienced this drug, and as such, I give it respect. I want other people's lives to be better to. That's all. The more effort and respect you put into a psychadelic experience, the more it will give back to you. There is a lot more to the universe than what we can observe.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: TheCow]
    #6718997 - 03/28/07 02:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

it was alive at one time as sclerotia on some grain. shit i havent had any in 6 years maybe more.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: durban_poison]
    #6719100 - 03/28/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Selling it at a cheap price is probably a better idea. If you can afford to give LSD away and are willing to do so, that's a wonderful thing. However, chances are you'll just get poorer and poorer until you can't supply LSD anymore at all. Doing what's sustainable is probably more likely to work. Even the Brotherhood of Eternal Love charged enough for their LSD to keep the business going.

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But I think that the world will become a better place if each individual who has access to LSD shares it at no cost to at least two other individuals, on the condition that those two share it with at least two others.




Not a bad idea at all, but not a practical one either. It would require the person at the top of the chain (in this case, you) to have access to a monumental amount of LSD. Even assuming each person kept only 3-5 tabs for a trip for themselves, you'd gradually need more at each level, as the LSD chain branched off, so to speak. Also, sadly, you can never trust a lot of people not to be greedy. If you have a large amount of LSD and are willing to give it away cheaply or for free, give it to people you know will benefit from the experience.


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: EllisDSox]
    #6719114 - 03/28/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i hope i still rock acid when im like 80. haven't had any since new year's.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: tma1]
    #6720059 - 03/28/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

damn it's cynical but true ellis... I guess that limits the pyramids getting too big. Maybe it should be adjusted to a sliding scale... ie. rich kids in the suburbs pay $10 a hit, people living in trailers trying to make their lives tolerable with alcohol get it for free. It would balance out this way as well.

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Daqq]
    #6720078 - 03/28/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

well and my idea was eventually the person at the top of each pyramid would save up their wages for a few months and get a gram or two of crystal... I mean people donate that much to the opera in major cities all the time. And relatively speaking people in "the west" are damn rich. That is the thing about selecting a limited number of people you know you can trust and get in on this idea, and know that they will do the same. Just handing out lsd for free I'm sure you would get freeloaders. Also, maybe it couldn't be a continuous supply thing, but just a one time deal to spread the stuff to a lot of people who have maybe not considered trying it before. Once the doors are open, it's kind of hard to shut them again, right?

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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: Daqq]
    #6720565 - 03/28/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

your getting the idea now. The first post was a pipe dream imo... I just want there to be a supply out there and I am happy at that. Perhaps those who haven't sought out this substance through the underground channels that fill the deads gap are not meant for it? If you are dedicated enough and have the funding(dedication) then you will find any substance you desire.


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #6720596 - 03/28/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

enuff talk/ losangelesgraff takes his share of the sunshine acid.

p.s. any one have any acid porn??


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Re: Paying LSD forward [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
    #6720612 - 03/28/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

hmm well this was just a dream but I thought it would be a good one.. but maybe you are right, very few are interested in the red pill...

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