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 QDP843
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 Removing The Cap When Drying 
#6713851 - 03/26/07 06:37 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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i was noticing in my dehydrator it's too hot with the lid on so I take the lid off, is that going to be a problem?
also, should i remove the caps so the cap and stem is separate when drying. i notice the outside of the cap gets real dry and the inside stays wet.
just a thought? or leave them whole and rotate?
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 LayYouIn
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 Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6713960 - 03/26/07 07:18 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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either or.
i usually only cut the big ones when drying.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: LayYouIn]
#6714074 - 03/26/07 07:51 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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well i just put the lid back on and measure temp and it's at about 155 degrees. is this to much its prolly increasing!
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6714118 - 03/26/07 08:00 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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That's gotta be way too much!! What strain? How are you measuring a 155 degree temp? I think that's waaayyy to high...
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You can dry it at 155-160 and it won't affect potency that much.
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QDP843
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because i have a thermometer inside it, yea but i can't help it because I can't change the temp its pre set!!
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6714158 - 03/26/07 08:06 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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Didnt RR say somewhere that heat destroying the psilocybin is a myth?
correct me if im wrong please
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: bonnahoo]
#6714176 - 03/26/07 08:09 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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i think so too, and that's who I wanted to hear it from ive been searching through the "heat" questions to find RR's input and haven't. I've read like 5 diffrent post consisting of average of 3 pages. Yeah. if i don't get a answer soon i'll just leave them in there.
i think the temp is about 160 now. aaaaa. help.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6714200 - 03/26/07 08:13 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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You can just take the heating element out of the bottom of it, then you have a dust free fan dry dehydrator 
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6714209 - 03/26/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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i've had 2 nice shrooms weighing 16 grams fresh drying in my magic chef dyhdrator for 2 hours now max temp so far reached 157.3 degrees.
at this point they have darked in color on stems and are ugly. i also tried to pick them up and they feel soggy, it don't seem right. they look unhealthy and nasty now. why is this?
Edited by QDP843 (03/26/07 08:16 PM)
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6714308 - 03/26/07 08:33 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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temps in the 150s + fungus = possible rot
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: CoyoteMesc]
#6714317 - 03/26/07 08:35 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah - my mushrooms also discolored almost black when I dried them at these temps - they were still active, though.
You might just want to air/fan dry them, until you can rip out that heating element.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: CoyoteMesc]
#6714572 - 03/26/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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Quote:
CoyoteMesc said:
You can just take the heating element out of the bottom of it, then you have a dust free fan dry dehydrator
Thats the way to go,or use a fan like I do
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Blutjager]
#6714610 - 03/26/07 09:39 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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A box fan blowing on mushrooms sitting on cardboard will get them very dry within 24 to 48 hours. Then, use desiccant to finish. I've never used a dehydrator, but Agar swears by them, so they must be ok or he wouldn't use them.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6714815 - 03/26/07 10:46 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yea Ive never needed one so I never bought one,I can get them all cracker dry in a few days with just the fan and only use desiccant for long term storage.If you live in a humid area I would imaging a dehydrator would be the way to go,every time I see one its more than I would like to spend on an unnecessary item,maybe if one day I stumble onto one at a thrift store for a few bucks like some people do I will pick one up,till than its fanning for me
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6714827 - 03/26/07 10:49 PM (17 years, 25 days ago) |
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Cutting them if to big to fit in the dehydrator isn't a problem.
Suprised RR didn't retype his 1500F grilled cubensis cap sandwitch he made story 
I keep my dehydrator at or below 125F, my mushies come out looking dried and shriveled, sometimes they bruise up quite a bit during drying, it just depends on the predisposition to bluing, imho
If their turning black tho, not sure why they would do that in 2 hours in the dehydrator, but they are definatly going to be severly shriveled and soggy at 150ish for 2 hours. It takes me 24-36 hours in my dehydrator at the lower temps to go from wet to cracker dry.
Edit: then I stick them in a desiccant box, due to high humidity in my area. If I let them sit on a shelf for 24 hours and I come back to them, they end up flexble from humidity.
And before you ask, I've had this happpen to cracker dry mush thats been sitting in my desiccant box for a couple months, was planning on tripping that weekend, took them out of my box, and checked on them, and set them on my dresser for a few days, when I came back a few days later they were very fexible.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Eraserhead]
#6715370 - 03/27/07 01:57 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Only my  ...
Drying too fast at too high temperature with not enough air circulation results in something like baking your mushrooms, and they turn black and soggy. This will happen for example, if you put them on the hot plate to dry - they will not dry, they will bake-rot and turn black. You can still reverse the process and expose them to better drying conditions later and you will have cracker dry black mushrooms. I have a bunch of these already. However, I have no idea if it is OK to consume them if they turn out like that. I have never tried it.
As for the potency loss, with some limited experience I am inclined to think that heat has almost nothing to do with this. Under certain conditions heat will speed up oxidation and this will result in a loss of potency. However, one can dry mushrooms super fast with very high heat and very high air circulation, and in most cases no loss of potency will be observed.
As I said, this is not meant to be anything near definitive answer.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: geko]
#6715595 - 03/27/07 03:41 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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155 f is fine i do mine at almost 190..think about it this way people make tea outa these right ? whats the boiling point of water ? that should answer the question
i have never had potency loss from a dehydrator (eaten fresh and eaten after dry same potency)
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6715657 - 03/27/07 04:22 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
A box fan blowing on mushrooms sitting on cardboard will get them very dry within 24 to 48 hours. Then, use desiccant to finish. I've never used a dehydrator, but Agar swears by them, so they must be ok or he wouldn't use them.
RR
 
If you have a GOOD quality dehydrator,
with an internal fan & adjustable heat settings.
(Like the NESCO above).
In effect,
you are FAN DRYING mushrooms,
with a SLIGHT amount of heat added.
I usually set mine anywhere from 95 to 105F & just let it go.
RR, you are CORRECT, as usual.
I SWEAR by a good quality dehydrator.
I also dehydrate a LOT of peppers, tomatoes, fruits & herbs.
Not to mention, make succulent jerky with one, too.
I just LOVE the set-it & forget-it automated scenario.
Never done me wrong, at any use I have put them to.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: agar]
#6715779 - 03/27/07 07:29 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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I second the quality of the adjustable Nesco dehydrators.
Cracker dry mushrooms in 24 hours, even when the ambient humidity outside is 93%.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Sillicybin]
#6715899 - 03/27/07 08:51 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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well they became cracker dry in like 8 hours. they shrunk so much! i feel bad for doing that to them. but maybe I did it right.
anybody know how to take the heating element out? I'm not good with taking things apart and and putting them back together if that's what you mean. or is it simple?
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6715928 - 03/27/07 09:18 AM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Since mushrooms are over 90% water, they will shrink considerably when dried, no matter what heat setting you use.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Sillicybin]
#6717735 - 03/27/07 07:57 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Sillicybin said:
Since mushrooms are over 90% water, they will shrink considerably when dried, no matter what heat setting you use.
Grow a nice fat flush of Texas and tell me how much they shrink ,don't get me wrong they still lose a ton of weight but they stay a similar size and get hard enough to chip your tooth
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Blutjager]
#6717766 - 03/27/07 08:03 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Blutjager said:
Grow a nice fat flush of Texas and tell me how much they shrink,don't get me wrong they still lose a ton of weight but they stay a similar size and get hard enough to chip your tooth
Well, I guess there's a couple good reasons NOT to grow Texas then, eh? 
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Sillicybin]
#6717965 - 03/27/07 08:36 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Sillicybin said:
Quote:
Blutjager said:
Grow a nice fat flush of Texas and tell me how much they shrink,don't get me wrong they still lose a ton of weight but they stay a similar size and get hard enough to chip your tooth
Well, I guess there's a couple good reasons NOT to grow Texas then, eh?
Touche
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Blutjager]
#6718369 - 03/27/07 10:07 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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hahaha
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Blutjager]
#6718614 - 03/27/07 11:17 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Blutjager said:
Quote:
CoyoteMesc said:
You can just take the heating element out of the bottom of it, then you have a dust free fan dry dehydrator
Thats the way to go,or use a fan like I do
I've found that the fan is the best way to go. Chemical dryers make me feel uneasy and the heat from the dehydrator tends to shrink them up quite a bit more than just setting them on a fan facing up.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: agar]
#6718635 - 03/27/07 11:27 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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I also dehydrate a LOT of peppers, tomatoes, fruits & herbs.
Not to mention, make succulent jerky with one, too.
mmmmmmm....jerky
I love homemade jerky. I assume this is deer jerky? I haven't been in contact with any hunters in awhile...Man, is there anyway you could send me a small ziplock of jerky? I would love you forever!
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: psilog]
#6718956 - 03/28/07 02:08 AM (17 years, 23 days ago) |
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Buy some bug screen like the kind for screen doors. Get a box fan, and cut out a piece of the bug screen that is that size. Turn the box fan upside down so its blowing towards the floor and get it about 2" off the ground w/ some books or something.
Place booms on the screen, and wait. Works like a charm.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: BlehMaestro]
#6718959 - 03/28/07 02:09 AM (17 years, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
Buy some bug screen like the kind for screen doors.
or spend x3 as much cash and get a dehydrator and have perfectly dried mushrooms in a day.
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: Civ]
#6721405 - 03/28/07 05:53 PM (17 years, 23 days ago) |
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i had bout 180-190 degree dehydrator it didn't effect potency but it sure did shrink them almost too much
anybody have success with the bug screen / fan idea. i might do that
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Re: Removing The Cap When Drying [Re: QDP843]
#6724048 - 03/29/07 10:47 AM (17 years, 22 days ago) |
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I too use the Nesco dehydrator. It works like a charm. I run mine 24/7 at 135degrees. I just adjust the number of trays in it as I need. I have never noticed a lack of potency. They are usually cracker dry in 24 hours. I have burned out 3 in 2 years though running it 24/7, so it is a small annual expense. But I have plenty of extra trays now
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It's not really much of an annual expense if you keep the top clean and just switch tops out by returning the broken one to *mart a week or so after buying a new one.
Not necessarily an honest move, and doesn't really hurt *mart, as they just ship it back to their reclamation center and get a refund from nesco most likely.
But hey, it saves $45, and you can pretend your somehow pulling a fast one on *mart
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