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P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona
    #6705999 - 03/24/07 12:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, I went this morn about an hour ago to visit a friend in Madrona. rode the bus up the hill and found these fellas (a mixed collection of at least two species on a new condo lawn area. there were 6 lawns along the side walk and the shrooms came form two of those lawns. just after i collected the specimens, the lawn service genociders showed up.

I did not have my camera with me, so I photoed them at my friends.

Enjoy


The tall conical thin capped-shaped shrooms are probably P. sierrae.





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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6706800 - 03/24/07 05:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nice!

Since the beginning of my intrigue with this hobby, lawn mowers have become a ruthless enemy.
I'm glad you were able to save them!


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6706872 - 03/24/07 06:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Those look beautiful! I like the bluing especially in the first picture!


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: nushroom]
    #6707192 - 03/24/07 08:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

AS long as they kleep fertilizing the lawns after or before mowing, the shrooms will continue to grow. It is the lawn mower blades which distribute the spores into the squares of sod and spread them. Then they grow wall to wall.

Years ago at a shopping mall in Tukwilla, every lawn was blue ringers and their were baeo lawns also. I once took Andrew Weil out there to show him how abundant this species was.

Interestingly, Lawn mowers also bring P. cyanescens to grassy areas in the fall when they mow the garden beds surround a mulched area where the mycelia and small cyans pop up along the lawns and the mower cuts into the cyan patches and spreads spores into well kept fertilized grass.

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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6707444 - 03/24/07 09:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Very cool ringers, MJ.

You definitely have got the life, bro.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: psiclops]
    #6709639 - 03/25/07 03:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I've always hated mowers,but the spore spreading seems to be a good point. I guess ill drop my lawn mower prejudice a little...


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6709648 - 03/25/07 03:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

its hard to find shrooms in grass 3 feet high.lawnmowers are great.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: coon]
    #6711354 - 03/26/07 12:29 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

psh... I agree. but every week on thursdays?... goddamnit.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6711609 - 03/26/07 02:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yeah that sucks Subb


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6711867 - 03/26/07 03:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, guess that would suck.goddamn lawnmowers,anyhow.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6712039 - 03/26/07 06:50 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

tell me about it. one of my cyan patches was destroyed [read: down to bare mud in big circles around the tree] by a riding lawn-mower's tires. the way i see it, the lawn guy failed at his job anyway; as i would expect a lawn guy to leave some grass behind when he was done.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: canid]
    #6712710 - 03/26/07 01:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yeah, i remember going by that patch, hehe.

Yes, 3 ft grass is a pain, but still, a little length is good, like 4-6 inches is perfect- it provides shade from the sun, and also, mushrooms will tend to grow taller in taller grass, to be able to reach moving air above the grass and disperse their spores into the wind.
A lot of places mow every 1-3 weeks, which is too frequent if you ask me.... but then, I like how tall grass looks anyway.

As far as the mower dispersing spores, it could potentially help, but if there are mushrooms growing nearby and thousands of spores from each mushroom, why would a few spores not make it to the surrounding grassy areas?? I don't know if you can directly attribute mushrooms spreading over a lawn, to the lawn mower dispersing spores. As we know, mycelium spreads, consuming substrate, thus the patch grows larger and bears more fruits. So even without the mower, it is expected that a patch will grow, colonizing a larger area of the lawn over time.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6713724 - 03/26/07 07:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

P. stuntzii and a few related species are pasture mushrooms in the PNW. Their primary care serve ice distributors are here int eh PNW in Seattle. Sawdust Supply near Harbor Island and Bassett and Western in Woodinville next to Carnation farms.

The fertilizers spread by these two companies, and especially inn the Tukwilla, Washington area are from pastures which adjoin the warehouse and Boeing Office buildings in and around Tukwilla, Kent and Renton all the way to Federal Way.

Usually about 60& of their lawns in those regions get their sod from only a few sources. Sodded blue ringers spread like wildfire in little one-foot squared patches of sod. Their mycelia crawls into one another and spreads.

Liquid fertilizers help propagate this species and its lawn relatives with little ease.

Once the lawn service discontinues the shrooms disappear. I am talking about lawn varieties of P. stuntzii and P. sierrae, usually the two species intermingle with one another, continue their growth parameters by the lawn mower doing the sidewalk and office buildings and warehouse lawns of the south of the city.

In the north is Woodinville's Bassett and Western. The problem there again, as in the Kent to Tukwilla region, the pasturelands are being sold and lotted out for newer business, thus a loss of valuable manured fertilizers which once graced Seattle with thousands of lawns in the 1970s.

A lawn mower, and I am speaking from experience of watching one company work for a five-year period, know about this method of spread spores.

Many lawns will continue to grow for months with the spreading of spores and then the refertilization of the lawns on a weekly basis.

A lawn mower constantly, on a weekly basis, nurtures the lawns with new growth.

The saem applies to many areas with alder and other mulch and woodchipped gardens. After a few l years, the landscappers purchase whatever mulch is available for the cheapest price. They then lay the new over the old. If the mulch is the same, then he shrooms return. It it turns out to be the red shaggy shit or cedar, then the shrooms do not return. Usually the life span for a mulched bed is 2-3 years. And every year different mulches are not available.

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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6713942 - 03/26/07 09:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I like how when you hit a mushroom with the lawnmower, next time you come back there's like 8 more there, lol :evil:

Nice specimens, mj. Thanks for sharin' :cool:


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #6714127 - 03/26/07 10:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still skeptical.
I'm not saying it is impossible that the mower-chopped mushrooms cause more spores to propagate in the surrounding area, than would otherwise, if the mushroom had not been hacked up, instead dropping its spores normally.... I am just not seeing how it is effective.

If anyone would like to try and explain, please give it a shot, I am all ears. But please don't respond with something like "It helps because the mushroom and its spores get all chopped up and flung around the lawn", because that does not explain why the spores that normally fall from the mushrooms gills into the surrounding area do not germinate.

Remember, it is completely normal and expected, that the mycelium grow, colonizing more area on the brink of its established patch, and thus fruiting when conditions allow.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6714614 - 03/26/07 11:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

great find i hope i get luck like that!


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6715311 - 03/27/07 03:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Youi really must have missed my explaining of the spraying of liquid fertilizers each week when they mow the lawn. I observed that habitat for almost twenty-years.

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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6715326 - 03/27/07 03:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't miss it, but it is not directly relevant to my question. I'm asking how the mowing causes mushrooms to grow that would not otherwise have.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6716509 - 03/27/07 03:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The addition of fertilizers into the lawns gives the spores more of a chance to germinate.

I really do not have to keep repeating myself.

WE have lawns here that produce mushrooms all year long. Something you do not observe in San francisco.

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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6716523 - 03/27/07 03:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

what's that again?heh.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: coon]
    #6716573 - 03/27/07 03:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

PILLOW FIGHT!!!

but seriously... MJ has a valid point. i had a few foes on my lawn three days ago, the mower came two ago, and today theres a very spread out patch of em all over the lawn. I dont think this is solid proof but it sure seems on the ball.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6716629 - 03/27/07 04:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

"I really do not have to keep repeating myself."

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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6716860 - 03/27/07 05:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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The addition of fertilizers into the lawns gives the spores more of a chance to germinate.

I really do not have to keep repeating myself.



And I should not have to repeat myself, but I will since you don't seem to understand what I'm asking.

Fertilizer is a different factor than lawn mowing.

I'm asking specifically how mowing a lawn causes spores to germinate that would not otherwise.

I understand how fertilizer helps to propagate the spores.
I never asked about fertilizer because I know and understand how it works.
I do not understand how lawn mowing supports germination.

I never requested you repeat irrelevent information, you volunteered it.
If you cannot answer the question, that is fine.

Don't be rude, I've made my question quite clear.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6717028 - 03/27/07 06:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice MJ, like always. My hats off to you.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #6717512 - 03/27/07 09:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

wow, most interesting MJ !
Curecat I understand the question for the most part.. but I think its already been answered and your making more out of it than there really Is thats just my opinion not trying to be rude


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: cube428]
    #6717784 - 03/27/07 10:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My question:
Quote:

CureCat said:
Fertilizer is a different factor than lawn mowing.

I'm asking specifically how mowing a lawn causes spores to germinate that would not otherwise.

I understand how fertilizer helps to propagate the spores.
I never asked about fertilizer because I know and understand how it works.
I do not understand how lawn mowing supports germination.



The answers I have been given:
Quote:

mjshroomer said:
Liquid fertilizers help propagate this species and its lawn relatives with little ease.

A lawn mower, and I am speaking from experience of watching one company work for a five-year period, know about this method of spread spores.

Many lawns will continue to grow for months with the spreading of spores and then the refertilization of the lawns on a weekly basis.

A lawn mower constantly, on a weekly basis, nurtures the lawns with new growth.



Quote:

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Youi really must have missed my explaining of the spraying of liquid fertilizers each week when they mow the lawn.



Quote:

mjshroomer said:
The addition of fertilizers into the lawns gives the spores more of a chance to germinate.

I really do not have to keep repeating myself.




The key points which have been explained are:

~fertilizer helps propagate spores.
~a lawn mower nurtures lawns with new growth.

..........Neither explain HOW mowing encourages the propagation of spores.

Lawn mowers and fertilizer are different.

If no one can answer this, that is fine.
But I will not believe that lawn mowers (the machine NOT the people who work them) cause spore germination or a noticeable increase in spore dispersal.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: CureCat]
    #6718756 - 03/28/07 02:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Id say the wind wouldnt be as effective as a lawn mower at scattering spores. Im assuming, where the blades rotate is a current of air, like a fans. When the blades hit the mushroom, id say spores would probably explode and circulate, as opposed to falling out and blowing away.


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Re: P. stuntzii and P. sierrae in Madrona [Re: OOISI]
    #6719192 - 03/28/07 09:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

NOrmally, a lawn service provider her eint he PNW such as Evergreen Tree Service, they spray the manure once a week when they mow the lawn. AS I said above, me and friends have picked lawns where over the years we saw this practive repeated on a weekly basis. Lawns which stop the service, the shroom disappear for good after about two to three years.
TGIF in Seattle had two long sidewalk lawns. I watch these shrooms bloom for a few years and then one day I noticed a migrant worker mowing the lawn with a mower. The next year there were no more shrooms.

This particular lawn was shown here before by someone I took out and showed it to. They came back while I was in Thailand and wrote a thread here called Stuntzii's on a lawn or something to that effect and then posted the address where this patch was at here at the Shroomery.

Thor Removed it at the time.

This kid promised me he would not bring or show it to anyone. Problem was he lived in Bellevue and this was in North Seattle.

He posted in his thread how I showed him the patch and gave the address. He noted that I was away in Thailand.

What a douche.

Anyway here are a few images from one of 8 small lawns at a condo in Seattle.

And check out their growth parameters.

The first time I found them there were more than ten thousand shrooms on the lawns at one time. This is from year five of growth. The last big patch at that spot in Seattle.



And some dried ones from a single mulch bed in Eugene, Oregon. Gartz picked almost an equal amount of shrooms form this patch. There were more than at least 30 pounds. There is an equal amount o under the drying bed and Gartz' room at the resort was also as spread out as mine was.

WE have seen bigger patches than this.




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