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 Re: Addiction to Experiences  [Re: dblaney]
#6698666 - 03/22/07 09:36 AM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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this may be stretching it as far as the context of this post, but I think yes it is possible, and I base that on that I would go so far as to say that one could be addicted to being addicted
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6698958 - 03/22/07 11:18 AM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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I agree.
Preference and addiction are different ends of the same spectrum. A workaholic or every day church goer are addicted to an environment every bit as much as a heroin user is addicted to a pleasant alternate reality.
Your example doesn't make sense. You are comparing things that are exactly the same and calling it different ends of the spectrum. Both of those people are addicted and neither can exercise a preference.
I can agree that most addictions start as a preference and may be two ends of a pole but that doesn't say anything about the experience of the two ends. One experience (addiction) produces much pain. The other preference (is painless). That's a real difference as far as human experience goes.
The only reason society ever started caring about addiction is because addiction negatively effects industrial productivity by re-centering people in aesthetic perception instead of utilitarian perception.
While this may be true I may care about addiction for totally different reasons as may others who suffer from them.
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Icelander]
#6699388 - 03/22/07 01:55 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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addiction: the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
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preference: a strong liking
Hooray for dictionaries.
I think the main difference between an addiction and a preference is that an addict needs his addictive-experience in order to become happy while an 'ordinary' person may prefer to have such an experience, but can still be happy without it. The difference comes down to needing something verses liking to have something.
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: dblaney]
#6699640 - 03/22/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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dblaney said:
I was thinking earlier today, do you think it is possible to become 'addicted' in a sense, to new experiences and insights?
Yes, I would think that it would be possible. The sign that would arise within oneself would likely be boredom. I don't think you can tell if you are addicted to something unless you go without it. If one becomes bored, its evident that one is expecting more out of the present moment than what reality is providing in the present moment, thus the feeling of dissatisfaction.
There is always new experience and perspectives, as each are in a state of constant change. This is all one new experience. 
Preference and addiction are not the same thing. The difference is that when a preference is not satisfied, one's emotional state of being does not suffer. When one is addicted, one will inflict suffering upon oneself in order to motivate one to fufill that demand of the present moment in order to relieve the suffering.
It is an ineffective manner of managing one's decision-making process, as one is naturally more capable of fufilling one's preferences when one is centered in being, when one's thought processes and emotional state are not obstructive of one's direct perception of reality. With preference, one is able to lead the direction of their life in a manner that pleases them without suffering when life naturally doesn't always fufill one's expectations and demands. Don't expect anything of reality, as reality will unfold by its own accord. Have a sense of one's path and what one prefers, and stay present and conscious in this moment in order to have a greater sense of reality so that one will know how to more effectively guide oneself towards the fufillment of one's goals.
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 Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Icelander]
#6700344 - 03/22/07 06:57 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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One experience (addiction) produces much pain. The other preference (is painless).
If music suddenly became illegal (like it was under the boot of the Taliban), I would experience much pain.
Am I addicted to music?
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6700385 - 03/22/07 07:07 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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Diploid said:
If music suddenly became illegal (like it was under the boot of the Taliban), I would experience much pain.
Am I addicted to music?
Its possible, but, considering the situation you propose, it is much more likely that you are attached to the notion that an institution does not have the authority to infringe upon a basic right in such a manner.
If, for example, one were an avid fan of music, and one's stereo in one's truck did not work, and one was driving around with no music, and one felt dissatisifed with this and it caused you suffering, then I think it would be apparent that you are attached to having that demand satisfied in that moment. If you are suffering in such a manner, then you are probably addicted to something that is not being fufilled. 
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Its possible, but, considering the situation you propose, it is much more likely that you are attached to the notion that an institution does not have the authority to infringe upon a basic right in such a manner.
You're reading too much into what I said.
Let me rephrase then:
Say that somehow, magically, music became non-existent. The reason doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is the fact that I will never again hear music.
That would be very painful to me. By Ice's definition, I'm addicted to music, no?
In fact, if I found out about a cave where music could still be heard, and that cave was full of many dangers, I'd brave those dangers to hear music again. This isn't much different than a 'drug addict' risking injury and theft to score some drugs in the bad part of town.
Meanwhile, if that cave had opium growing in it instead of music, as much as I like opium, I'd probably just learn to live without it before I'd risk the dangers in the cave.
This is why I think that preference and addiction are different intensities of the same thing: a desire for something that we would miss to varying degrees if it were missing.
Realize, though, that I'm talking about the misnomer "Psychological Addiction". Physical addiction is a whole other animal. In the context of this thread "Addiction to Experiences" we're talking about the former.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6700593 - 03/22/07 07:55 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yes, I think you would be addicted to music, in that case. 
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OMG! I need rehab! 
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6700713 - 03/22/07 08:27 PM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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I doubt you need rehabilitation, but if the situation arises in which you find yourself removed from music and suffering because of it, and there is no action that one could take in the present moment to get some music going, then you would be wise to consider it a perfect opportunity to become aware of one's thought processes relevant to the suffering and to learn how to alleviate the root of the suffering. Remove that attachment when it becomes painfully evident.
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Addiction to Language and Subcultures or Sects [Re: fireworks_god]
#6702024 - 03/23/07 05:18 AM (17 years, 29 days ago) |
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Experiences and experiencing are natural and necessary, hardly addiction.
Language on the other hand and particular conformations of it that serve
little constructive use in life can be abused; they can become addictive, debilitating the user and badly affecting those around him/her.
I am very interested in techniques that can help identify and liberate people with addictive personalities
from debilitating language habits.
intially a new phrase may delight and send the spirit soaring,
but after some time it may become nearly meaningless unless you start dealing and make others use it.
After everyone becomes numb to it's initial merit,
they start banging it seriously.
you can see where I am going perhaps,
about the addictive potential of phrases
and of once inspiring vocabularies that can be mainlined to death.
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Re: Addiction to Language and Subcultures or Sects [Re: redgreenvines]
#6702982 - 03/23/07 12:45 PM (17 years, 28 days ago) |
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I really love this post, RGV.
Linguistic habits create a "persona" - that persona is who you are to the people around you. It's hard when you have a really large vocabulary to draw on because it feels like your persona is being stretched thin. Creating a 'limited version' is tough because then you may come across as cold or disingenuous. I haven't solved this riddle yet.
Language is definitely a skill in the same way as being able to paint a beautiful picture or write music. The experience of everyone around you is to an extent filtered through the language which you decided to use, whether spontaneously or premeditatively.
You, for example, are very good at remaining totally unimpinged when it comes to an online 'linguistic persona'. I would be very interested to meet you in person, RGV. I would surely rack my brain beforehand for the most honest way to approach conversing with a teacher of your caliber, but in the end I would probably feel anxious and trip over my tongue - not really in the moment at all.
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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6703422 - 03/23/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said:
One experience (addiction) produces much pain. The other preference (is painless).
If music suddenly became illegal (like it was under the boot of the Taliban), I would experience much pain.
Am I addicted to music?
Yes.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Diploid]
#6703434 - 03/23/07 02:49 PM (17 years, 28 days ago) |
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This is why I think that preference and addiction are different intensities of the same thing: a desire for something that we would miss to varying degrees if it were missing.
This is correct. An addiction causes real long term pain and preference only causes a momentary regret and then one moves on as if nothing had happened.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Addiction to Language and Subcultures or Sects [Re: Lion]
#6704533 - 03/23/07 09:35 PM (17 years, 28 days ago) |
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more student than teacher, how i am less impinged and prone towards creative utterance is due to cojcentrating on what's going on.
mostly i an watching the wakes fading of several things that have recently finished and how they fit with arizing attractions/distractions.
i guess i relate everything to that process, except when ROFLMGO.
if we were in the same room we would be very silly.
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Re: Addiction to Language and Subcultures or Sects [Re: redgreenvines]
#6705121 - 03/24/07 01:22 AM (17 years, 28 days ago) |
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: Sinbad]
#6723482 - 03/29/07 06:48 AM (17 years, 23 days ago) |
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Sinbad said:
Our very aggregates themselves are addictive.
I agree
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Re: Addiction to Experiences [Re: demiu5]
#6724017 - 03/29/07 10:35 AM (17 years, 22 days ago) |
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demius said:
this may be stretching it as far as the context of this post, but I think yes it is possible, and I base that on that I would go so far as to say that one could be addicted to being addicted
God damn I feel the same way. If I'm not completely addicted to something then I'm looking for something to be completely addicted to.
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