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 MightyQuinn
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 Re: When you have to make it stop  [Re: MightyQuinn]
#701644 - 06/25/02 06:42 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, er, anyhow, sometimes you just catch bad vibrations so, you know, go with it.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: MightyQuinn]
#704555 - 06/27/02 03:57 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I'd have to say in response that set and setting aren't the most important thing - it's what's in your head
Whats in your head is set (part of set and setting).
Set is your mood, your psychological state.
Setting is the area in which you're tripping.
Good luck
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MightyQuinn
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: DreaMaTrix]
#704980 - 06/27/02 08:17 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I know that "set" is your mood and psychological state - but there are other things in your head too that you don't have the same control over. There is the potential for anyone to think really disturbing, dark, and unpleasant thoughts. There's a big part of your brain that just wants to fuck and kill things. Sometimes the mushrooms like to play around in there... Like I say, I've never really thought them to be 100% benevolent.
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pharmacopeia
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: MightyQuinn]
#705814 - 06/27/02 02:22 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's obvious what happened here. Our poor chap here started to have a bad trip but couldn't turn it around because he had re-occuring thoughts (caught in a loop though process) over and over again so all he could think about was trying to end it.
Did you once try to just STOP thinking about the weirdness and focus on something else? I bet not since you were stuck in this loop. I to have been down that road and it's pretty easy to get out of it with some practice. Whenever that happens and you're getting into that loop, try to zone out QUICKLY and remember something else. Some part of your life or event or whatever! just anything! try to remember EVERY single detail you can and hopefully the panic thoughts will be long behind you.
Try it.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: pharmacopeia]
#708145 - 06/28/02 01:56 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Let me ask you a question about that ...In my limited experience with mushroom trips (20 or so times) I have experienced Loop thinking every time. However I have never experienced that on LSD or mesculine (lets say 100-200 trips). As a matter of fact LSD is more on the order of run on thinking where you analize every tought on every possible plane and you feel as though you can analyze the world! it is just the oppisite of loop thinking!
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: Ripple]
#710835 - 06/29/02 10:22 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Let me ask you a question about that"
Where exactly is the question?
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 Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: Sheepish]
#711007 - 06/29/02 11:44 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hate to agree but it is true. Once you've eaten the little blue guys its on until you have riden it out. If you start to trip out htough the best thing at least in my experience is to go into a dark room lay down and try to just clear your mind maybe throw on some chill music and just try and tell yourself that what is in your head isnt anything more than the blue meanies talking to ya.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: ReeferMan]
#711268 - 06/29/02 02:39 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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As a person who has gone there and beyond to the point where you don't just feel disconnected and paranoid, you just forget about ALL of what "reality" is, I can honestly assure you that telling yourself that it is only a drug/trip/in your head will NOT work. In high dose trips you will not only have reality altered, it just won't be there. It honestly just disappears. Try rationalizing when you are that far out.
Personally, when I tried to think about how it's only a trip and nothing more, I then realized "Hey, well reality and normal living are just as fake, what IS real?" and that scared me shitless ... and it happens every time too ... because it feels like there is no comfort there or in everyday reality.
I think when it gets to a certain point, Xanax or maybe more extreme methods might have to be taken ... people who have never been out as far as a level 4 or 5 can NEVER know what it feels like, and thus are usually the ones saying "just ride it out.." ... not to sound mean or offensive (I'm not trying to be) but you just really don't know how frightening it can be without having gone that far. The difference between level 3 and 4 is extreme, and between 4 and 5 very big as well.
My friend almost killed himself when we both took the 1/4 of Pan Cyan ... that's not a time when you should just make him "ride it out" that's when you need to take action to make sure he doesn't hurt himself or others.
After having gone that far I never dose even higher than half-eighths anymore ... I've seen what's beyond this consciousness on 7g and I can honestly say if I ever did it again I would most likely kill myself to be that far from reality.
Yes, this shit does happen, don't be ignorant.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#717574 - 07/02/02 08:19 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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As a person who has gone there and beyond to the point where you don't just feel disconnected and paranoid, you just forget about ALL of what "reality" is, I can honestly assure you that telling yourself that it is only a drug/trip/in your head will NOT work. In high dose trips you will not only have reality altered, it just won't be there. It honestly just disappears. Try rationalizing when you are that far out.
this is where the fun starts, not ends....
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QuantumMeltdown
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 Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#718527 - 07/02/02 05:20 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to say I don't agree with people who want to end the trip if it goes somewhere they didn't expect. Thats taking the easy way out. How can you appreciate what heaven feels like unless you lived through hell? Its more of a benefit for your future trips to try to work out the issues while tripping. The trips that tought me the most were the bad ones. There has been a time when I apprehended by the police while on a very strong trip from 5 quality gel tabs. They didn't know what to do with me so they sent me to the ER and these people tripped me the fuck out. I tried to resist and it took Six Big dudes to hold me down and strap me to the table. I saw them inject me with a few different shit and I know I was on an IV which they gave me valium through. None of this shit could bring me down and I couldn't tell them who I was for six hours.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
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HB
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I'm talking about when it becomes a crisis situation -- ie: When the person gets violent or suicidal, as has happened to two of my friends on their trips.
My one friend tried to jump off the balcony of his house because he couldn't deal with the trip. The other was punching me because he thought I didn't exist, and then he tried to kill himself. You don't think this is a good time to take extreme action?
When a person goes this far, it isn't time to teach them a lesson, it's time to get them out of the trip. It isn't worth risking your life just to learn a lesson.
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TwistedRedneck
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#718869 - 07/02/02 08:19 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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well if u think u have to tell people that they need to try to get there friends NOT to kill themselves... then either ur an idiot - or the people u are talking to are.
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HB
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: TwistedRedneck]
#718936 - 07/02/02 08:56 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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What are you talking about?
My posts are meant for trips that aren't just bad or uncomfortable but for ones that are life-threatening.
If you don't think it can really happen then you haven't taken enough, and hope you never do.
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QuantumMeltdown
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#719535 - 07/03/02 04:57 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe you. I have seriously considered doing some really stupid things while tripping. The green square hedges three stories down looked like inviting pieces of jello that I could jump into. I was seriously considering it but I think it would take a real moron to do something like that. It doesn't sound like much fun to trip with your friends. I believe its possible for anyone to want to cause harm to themselves on acid I guess. Another good question is what do you all do with your guns while tripping? I was considering getting a 12 ga but I don't want to blow my brains out one day while having a bad trip.
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Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself.
-Mark Twain
"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
Jimmy Buffett
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goatywoaty
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personally i wouldnt own a gun, but if i did id have one of those combo locks, cause i know i wouldnt be able to figure out a 4 digit combination while trippin.
personally for those life-threatening situations i strap the person down or hold them down.
here is one instance where i had to do this:
kid ate 3g syrian rue
smoked 5-meo-dmt
he wasnt ready for it, hes a self proclaimed acid freek, drug addict, and can handle anything go furthur type person.
in his arrogance he hit the bowl
i told him to be prepared, but the only person who should have been prepared was me
four to five hours of holding down a screaming kid who is thrashing wildly and flaling and screaming all kinds of inhuman gibberish at the top of his lungs. we had to have one person at each side, and pne person at his feet. one person with his head in their lap so he wouldnt break his own neck thrashing it so hard. after he was 'coming down' he didnt thrash as wildly, jsut pelvic-thrusted the ground with more pressure than i could punch... needless to say he lost control as soon as he sucked in the hit.
as erowid says: know your body, know your substance, know your mind
or something along those lines, if you dont know your limits, then you shouldnt do drugs. (or let them do you)
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: goatywoaty]
#720407 - 07/03/02 12:30 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Ripple
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#722082 - 07/04/02 07:12 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think that it needs to become that extreem for a person to want to kick it down a notch. It's personal choice, my friend will drink a couple of shots of Vodka to smooth over the trip, others feel that a joint will bring calm them down. Some people don't enjoy higher doses and sometimes misjudge the dose. Mushrooms at higher doses are much more difficult on the mind and body than say LSD 25 is.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: Ripple]
#722637 - 07/04/02 01:10 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course, but most people would rather sit through an uncomfortable trip than to take something to dull it, while a person who is becoming violent has no choice but to be brought down or restrained.
It all depends on the person in question.
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Ripple
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: HB]
#722866 - 07/04/02 04:26 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree, sometimes you have to protect someone from himself so he or she doesn't hurt himself or others.
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Re: When you have to make it stop [Re: Ripple]
#722895 - 07/04/02 04:52 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Getting back to the original post.....
Someone mentioned Xanax. That's my resource to bring me down. A shower helps too. Just triple check the temp of the water!!
I happen to have a great dog too. I talked to him and his friendship and concern stablized me once when I was too far gone...all by myself.
I don't know of any other drug or chemical that will help. Drinking alot of water helps to cycle the shrooms out of your system, so my opinion is... Xanax and water. Anyone else agree?
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