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WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie)
    #6692345 - 03/20/07 07:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i need some pointers, possibly some links to some sites that could help me before i plan to go mushroom hunting this year here in west virginia, im only interested in the psychedelic ones for the time being, i know an expert hunter that can help me with other edible ones if i become interested.

anyone that has experience in WV mushroom hunting please share with me your knowledge.

so far the only one i know of yet is Psilocybe caerulipes, are there any others? are there any poisonous ones i could be tricked by misidentifying? any other info on this particular strain and any other psilocybes(or other psychoactive mushies) in the area(if any) will help.

edit: i also want to know if there are any books i should look out for, for help in my mushroom hunting.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #6692724 - 03/20/07 09:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

VW mushroom hunting can be fun... you just have to make sure your heat shields are properly sealed to prevent unwanted thermal meltdowns while driving slowly, it is always a good idea to replace the oil pressure sensor in the spring because that little red light can be distracting.
OHHHH you said WV mushroom hunting.... check out http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: georgeM]
    #6692761 - 03/20/07 09:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

did that, came up with nothing useful.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #6692873 - 03/20/07 10:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Blue foots (caerulipes) supposedly are hard to find but are potent ive heard.
Gymnopilus Spectabilis, and Gymnopilus species are likely in your state and you cant forget the oh,
so abundant Panaeolus Subbalteatus. look those up.
Theyre the only actives you'll have any chance of finding.
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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6693071 - 03/20/07 10:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

any of those contain psilocybin or psilocin?(EDIT: Yes they do) im really looking forward to a psilocybin trip, i havent had any in atleast a year, and its not looking too good for the future, i cant even find a good weed connect :frown:
maybe i should just order some spores and try to get them to grow abundantly in the wild around here.(cant grow indoors, still living at home sadly, it will be atleast a few more years before im able to move out...fucking money is bullshit these days)

anyway i have begun searching for info on these, thanks for your help!


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #6695905 - 03/21/07 05:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



This is Panaeolus Subbalteatus.
It grows in your state. It grows everywhere.
Hence its nickname, the "Weed Panaeolus".
do some research on it and im sure you will find some around your area.
Besides, your chances of taking spores and growing them in your neighborhood outdoors isnt the best way...
Or grow in your room...


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6696078 - 03/21/07 06:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i did a bunch of research on it and the Gyms. the gyms are hard to identify from what ive heard, and you have to eat alot of them, and i hear they also taste quite nasty.

the pans i hear can grow on just about any type of compost or manuer and are so common they can be found in your own back yard quite easily.


ayway im still gonna make a strong effort to find the blue foot, they just look so incredibly awesome and i really think i can find some, because im outdoors through the whole spring, summer, and fall, even during the night sometimes- i do a lot of fishing/hiking/bike riding.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #6696112 - 03/21/07 06:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'd would look for bluefoot too. just to see if i could find em.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6696169 - 03/21/07 07:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Heh, you have the exact same choice of shrooms as in my state. I'm gonna look for blue foot too this year! Bet I'll beat ya to it! :smirk:


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Mysteryman23145]
    #6696513 - 03/21/07 09:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

hah its on! lol

i saw the first signs of mushrooms growing today :smile: one little shroomie was poking out one of the gardens in my back yard today.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #6697749 - 03/22/07 01:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think its still too early for bluefoot or morels. Last year Japanese knotweed (Polygonum cuspidatum) was four or five feet high when I first stumbled onto bluefoot in a place I had checked several times earlier that spring. Japanese knotweed looks like a red devil's tail when it first sprouts and tastes a little like sour green apples.



Later in the season when bluefoot are out it looks like this.




Bluefoot is not Psilocybe caerulipes. MJshroomer forwarded some samples on to Dr. Gaston Guzman for me, and Guzman identified them as Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. The following is from Guzman's email to me.



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I am sorry...It is not a new species. Certainly it is a rare species and a new record but not a new species. My colleague and me were confused at first with your material, because another Psilocybe that we recently studied from Pennsylvania and we described as a new species...when I compared your mushroom with that of Pennsylvania, I can not find differences among them. Then your material is not a new species, but it is the first record... from Ohio and West Virginia.

The Pennsylvania mushroom is Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, that soon will be published.


Best regards

Dr. Gaston Guzman

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Instituto de Ecologia




So who is going to post the first 2007 bluefoot find? It's probably still too early, but it might be worth looking. Whoever finds them first this year gets to to make the first ever offical shroomery Bluefoot thread, which will be stickied at the top of this forum to post all our glorious finds:D.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6698035 - 03/22/07 03:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

holy shit, that is just amzing right there man, all this time blue foot were mis-identified? also awesome that you were the first in ohio to find that particular species growing there.

the shroom i found growing i know wasnt a psychoactive, it was a very pale white and had a small cap, the stem was fairly thick though and at the time i spotted it, it was wilting(just from what i identified from my 2nd floor deck)....i was quite surprised, we havent had rain for like 4 days(but there has been a lot of snow on the ground melting from last week) and it hasnt been much higher than 50 degrees maybe 55-57 the other day.

anywho, i will make absolutly sure to keep an eye out for that knotweed seeing how you had such great luck in finding the blue foot around them. im expecting temperatures in the 60s to 70s all this week..hopefully that will help warm the ground up and get everything ready to start sprouting a couple weeks later, im really anxious to get out there and test my hunting and identifying abilities...this actually sounds like the most fun part to me lol, the experience later is just a reward to look forward to in my opinion.


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im a newbie right now [Re: highdroponics]
    #6699831 - 03/22/07 06:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

so yea im a newbie....and I have a stupid ass question.....can u use the mushrooms that grow around anywhere....kinda like that fungus shit:confused:


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Re: im a newbie right now [Re: Beta]
    #6699841 - 03/22/07 06:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

beta,did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?


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Re: im a newbie right now [Re: coon]
    #6700052 - 03/22/07 07:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

beta you got a lot to read up on my friend....ive been researching over the whole winter myself, and im still in a jam because i have no field practice and i could really use an experienced hunting buddy..but i know noone around here that does mushroom hunting for the psilocybin ones so im gonna need a lot of help from people on here...you cant just eat some random mushroom and expect to get tripped out...or even survive for that matter.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6763614 - 04/09/07 02:58 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Guzman is wrong. Peck is pissed.:smirk:

Caerulipes and Psilocybe cyanescens may be co-specific. If this is the case then
Psilocybe cyanescens should be called Psilocybe caerulipes var. cyanescens. :lol:

I think a lot of the active wood loving psilocybe are going to end up being named Psilocybe caerulipes variation something or other.

I for one like the name caerulipes. Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, is long and cumbersome and considering Guzman is just renaming Blue foot it just ain't right. I do recall something about Guzman assigning several specific epitaphs to what were later shown to be the same species of Australian mushroom.

Peck is an honored American Mycologist. Guzman's renaming of Psilocybe caerulipes is unseemly and unwarranted. I don't imagine that outside
the psychedelic circle that he's taken seriously, if he does indeed publish this paper.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: falcon]
    #6764400 - 04/09/07 10:44 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Please say more falcon; Guzman's criterion for distinguishing these from P. caerulipes is the presences of an annulus, however, as you know, the annulus usually only persists for a few hours.

Guzman also told me the mushrooms I sent him were closely related to P. stuntzii.

What is this about P. caerulipes and P. cyanescens being co-specific?

You have peeked my curiosity Falcon.  :gum:


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6764466 - 04/09/07 11:20 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

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Japanese knotweed looks like a red devil's tail when it first sprouts and tastes a little like sour green apples.





Wow do you just eat it raw?


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6765870 - 04/09/07 04:44 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

I have twice seen cyanescens beds produce caerulipes mushrooms.
Both times the cyanescens beds were contaminated with small amounts of
caerulipes mycelium. Though this does not prove they are co-specific it
makes me suspect that they may be.

If they are co-specific and since caerulipes was named before
cyanescens then caerulipes would take precedence as the name of the species.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: falcon]
    #6766422 - 04/09/07 06:36 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Is it just me or is every psilocybian wood-lover seem closely related?


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: thallus]
    #6766950 - 04/09/07 08:52 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

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thallus said:
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shroomydan said:
Japanese knotweed looks like a red devil's tail when it first sprouts and tastes a little like sour green apples.





Wow do you just eat it raw?




Yeah, you can just eat it raw, but it is not very tasty.


I went out yesterday and found these terrestrial Galerinas.






I found this same species fruiting in prime bluefoot habitat last year.



I do not know what species this is, but its sandy terrestrial habitat makes me suspect it is a different species from Galerina autumnalis which is usually found fruiting from rotting logs.

The Galerinas showed up a week or two before Bluefoot last year so it should not be long now. I just hope winter's recent return does not set us too far back.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6767242 - 04/09/07 10:10 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Kind of depressing i was hoping to find some P. caerulipes but I have not found many resources except what you have posted shroomydan. I am here in michigan caerulipes are listed, but now I am unsure of what I am looking for. Do you have any relevant links where to look for caerulipes infomation? I found you habitat, plant relationships pictures and write ups very detailed. I am now unsure where to look for the caerulipes because whast you found was a differnt species than caerulipes. I guess there's always the possibility the species you have found would grow in michigan, but my confindence in hunting has been impacted greatly. Maybe I'll make a drive to ohio to hunt when they start popping up.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: jeverden]
    #6767358 - 04/09/07 10:35 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

I am now unsure where to look for the caerulipes because whast you found was a differnt species than caerulipes.

The mushroom Shroomydan found matches the description of caerulipes very well.
Guzman's identification is not right for this mushroom. Guzman is unreliable as a taxonomist and any work that he has written should be veiwed with a critical eye.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: falcon]
    #6767391 - 04/09/07 10:42 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Ok I didn't know that. Well you sparked the hope again. I was really bummed because everywhere else I found listed caerulipes as a fall mushroom and shroomydan had the best luck in the spring. I really didn't want to wait untell the fall to hunt the bluefoot and I found the info shroomydan posted very detailed.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6767492 - 04/09/07 10:58 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Is it just me or is every psilocybian wood-lover seem closely related?

It is not just you, I feel this way, the similarities far outweigh any differences.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: falcon]
    #6768293 - 04/10/07 02:24 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

i wonder if there is an original wood-loving strain of psilocybe. like a mother/alpha strain


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #6772827 - 04/11/07 12:10 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

:shrug: I think they are all not that far removed from the original, but who knows.





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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6773768 - 04/11/07 04:23 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Dan, Falcon does not know what the fuck he is talking about. He is spreading false information here and this below was my response to him and Psychoslyut because he brought this up in another thread separate from this thread.

He used your letter to me and you from Dr. Guzmán and reinvented his own intrerpretation of what was written. I posted this below to his and Wowitches comments in the other thread.

Falcon was posting that Dr. Guzmán renamed P. caerulipes as
Psilocybe ovoideocystidia and that he does not realize they are two different species.

And he also assumed that the paper on the name of the species which he does not like was written by Dr. Guzmán.


And the taxonomic paper for that species is not written by Dr. Guzmán.

Also regarding comments inthat thread ever perpetuating more mis-information were the comments by Wowitch, again someone who does not know the history of the species he describes.

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Wowithc, you are misinformed.

you said

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I've always been skeptical about Guzman's new species. Psilocybe subcubensis, and now this. haha. Also the different classifications of pan cyans. Like pan tropocalis.


I said to Wowitch, "If you have not studied mycology or its history and the taxonomy of species then please do not offer opinions for on subjects which you have no knowledge in, specifically P. subcubensis.

Dr. Guzmán published the paper on the taxonomy of psilocybe subcubensis, most likely before you were even born.

Mycotaxon vol 7:page 248 in 1978. 30 years ago.

And regarding the other half of your statement, Dr. Guzmán wrote the Genus Psilocybe. Not the Genus Panaeolus. the two Monographs, most fortunatley were written by Dr. Gyorgy-Miklos O'lah of the Universite Laval in 1961, Publsihed only in French and Dr, Ewald Gerhardt, in 2000 in German, thus keeping the knowledge from anyone who does not speak those languages. To say that what they wrote bothers you. Hahaha. There are 13 distinct species of Copelandia separate form 11 species of Panaeolus

Sorry.

mj

This whole thread is a farce and most of the posts by both Falcon and Psychoslut are misinformation and can easily be debunk.

mj


Falcon,

Dr. Guzmán did not rename Psilocybe caerulipes as Psilocybe ovoideocystidia mushroom.

Shroomy Dan's species is Psilocybe ovoideocystidia.

And the taxonomic paper for that species is not written by Dr. Guzmán.

And Psilocybe caerulipes, is a separate species from Psilocybe ovoideocystidia.

Taking comments from Dr. Guzmán's letter and reinventing them into your own interpretation is incorrect.

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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6779758 - 04/12/07 07:39 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

I do not spread false information.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: falcon]
    #6779798 - 04/12/07 07:52 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

For all practical purposes they are the same mushroom, accept perhaps for the fruiting cycle. P. caerulipes is reported to fruit throughout the summer and fall, but these are primarily a spring mushroom.

For the mushroom hunter, Blue foot is Bluefoot, regardless of when it pops up or what Latin name it is given.


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: shroomydan]
    #6779859 - 04/12/07 08:08 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

For all practical purposes they are the same mushroom, accept perhaps for the fruiting cycle. P. caerulipes is reported to fruit throughout the summer and fall, but these are primarily a spring mushroom.

If that is the case then P. caerulipes is indeed the rarer of the two mushrooms.

The more I see of these woodlovers the more I am inclined to believe that they are one species. All of them that have descriptive Latin names could easily be moved from one species to the next.
In Engish they are all variation of blue, blue foot, lower or below blue,
below the blue foot, even egg shaped cystidia.


Edited by falcon (04/12/07 08:11 PM)


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: highdroponics]
    #7464862 - 09/28/07 06:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

One book you definitely need is "Mushrooms of West Virginia and the Central Appalachians by William C. Roody" It has a few psychedelic shrooms in it such as Gymnopilus luteus (Peck) Hesler, synonym Pholiota lutea(Peck) common name Yellow Gymnopilus pg. 35


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Re: WV mushroom hunting(im a newbie) [Re: gandalf579]
    #7464880 - 09/28/07 06:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The chances that this guy is still around five months later looking for book recommendations in this thread is slim


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