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 a question about perlite.. 
#6688014 - 03/19/07 04:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have just bought perlite and now realize is has "miracle grow" in it.. is this going to be okay to release cakes on to? thanks in advance!
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6688063 - 03/19/07 05:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you mean lay the cakes on top of the perlite. If so you can do that. It is more advised to keep a buffer between the perlite and the cake to keep the cake from over saturation.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6688414 - 03/19/07 06:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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what type of buffer do you suggest?
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6688423 - 03/19/07 06:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Use lid of jars. MG is fine.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6688440 - 03/19/07 06:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just like the metal lid of a jar will do, or anything that will just keep the cake off of the perlite. I grew in a Poor Mans Terrarium with my cakes right on top of the perlite with no problems, but I'm sure you could even use a piece of sterilized paper or something
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6688678 - 03/19/07 07:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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speaking of which.. im assuming you mean the 2 liter bottles?
im curious how that works out.. was concerned about the shrooms being too crowded in?
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6688740 - 03/19/07 07:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well basically the 2 liter bottles work like this. By eliminating a section of you bottle you can make the space inside more compact. placing perlite and a cake in this you can now trap in the humidity. Though you get pinning all over the cake ( which isn't a bad thing ) and smaller flushes/skinnier mushrooms it is pretty good for the beginner grower because no expensive materials are needed to ensure FAE. Just unscrew the cap and fan it for about 2 minutes a day 2-3 times a day. I'll post the biggest shroom I have ever grown this way.
This is Psilocybe Cubensis B+
Edit: I made the mistake of not having fresh air during incubation so the cake wasn't fully colonized so that might be why my flushes sucked. This one weighed in at 15 grams
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6688831 - 03/19/07 07:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats pretty darn spiffy.. thanks for all of your replies.. ive been thinking doing 6 out of 12 in 2 liters and than the other 6.. in i dont know what.. preferably all together.. any ideas on something relativly easy and under 40-50 bucks?
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6688893 - 03/19/07 07:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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probably just case em. All it really takes is some verm and peat moss. You already have the verm and peat moss costs about the same as verm. Just look into some of the casing teks.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689242 - 03/19/07 09:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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perhaps not the best place to ask this, but i dont want to make a new thread for a question like this.. so here it goes!
where can one acquire coco coir?
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689284 - 03/19/07 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most of the retailers advertised on the shroomery have coco coir.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689286 - 03/19/07 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where can one acquire coco coir?
The pet store,look in the reptile section.It is sold in bricks and is sold under the brand names bed-a-beast,Eco-earth and there is another common brand but the name eludes me at the moment,I usually get Eco-earth because they usually have it shrink wrapped 3 bricks for 8 dollars as opposed to the 5 bucks a brick that it usually is so I clean all of em off the shelf and stock up
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: Blutjager]
#6689314 - 03/19/07 09:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ahhhhhh, i see, thanks.. man im so nervous lol.. this is first time ive got cakes that arent contaminated.. thou only my second attempt several years later.. been reading casing guides non stop.. and im overwhelmed.. im coming up with an idea that combines a bit of all of them lol.. yep..
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: Blutjager]
#6689332 - 03/19/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blutjager said:
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kLaWsRauGHt said:
Where can one acquire coco coir?
The pet store,look in the reptile section.It is sold in bricks and is sold under the brand names bed-a-beast,Eco-earth and there is another common brand but the name eludes me at the moment,I usually get Eco-earth because they usually have it shrink wrapped 3 bricks for 8 dollars as opposed to the 5 bucks a brick that it usually is so I clean all of em off the shelf and stock up
I didn't know this. Why is it in the reptile section, I used to have an iguana as well as a ball python and never used it.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689339 - 03/19/07 09:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forest bed,thats the other brand of coco-coir
Yea,its easy to get not only nervous but even downright discouraged when your first attempts go bad even when you think you did everything right,hang out here and you will find everything you need,even though you have to actually put it into practice to really learn for yourself,I'm sure allot has changed for the better since the last time you were here,ppl seem to be coming up with new stuff all the time
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: Blutjager]
#6689346 - 03/19/07 09:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is the great thing about the shroomery. It is constantly filled with innovators who either make new teks or make old teks better.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689396 - 03/19/07 09:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just read your link in your post.. and on that thread they mentioned air flow in jars? i thought it was supposed to be completely sealed off until fully colonized? am i losing my mind? 
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689404 - 03/19/07 09:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Colonizing jars require gas exchange. If you seal them off, the mycelium will stall and die.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6689421 - 03/19/07 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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how should i do this, and how often? or can you provide a link that covers this? i swear they never mentioned this in the tek i used...
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689446 - 03/19/07 09:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i used this guide: http://www.shroomery.org/8411/The-Magic-Mushrooms-Growers-Guide
and not once does it mention gas exchange in fact it says
"The cake must stay in the jar until the entire surface area is covered with mycelium. As the substrate gets more colonized, the growth slows down. This is a result of CO2 building up and less oxygen being available for the fungus to consume.
The cakes can not be taken out of the jars while there is still uncolonized substrate."
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689573 - 03/19/07 10:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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klaws, your best bet is to buy polyfill ( from walmart in the fabric section. It is essentially pillow stuffing ) and fill the inoculation holes with polyfill to allow air exchange. Or using filter disks/tyvek instead of a metal lid. Me, I just ran out of filter lids SOOOOOOOO coffee filters for me, I used a coffee filter under the metal band and 2 above it just to make sure since I've never used coffee filters as an improvised filter disk or tyvek.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689575 - 03/19/07 10:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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awww.. no1 is going to reply now? im having a veritable anxiety attack wondering if its already too late and my guide is like 40 years out dated.. someone please assist!
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689589 - 03/19/07 10:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol we posted at the same time. Read my post bro.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689590 - 03/19/07 10:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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im not using lids.. they are covered in like 20 layers of tinfoil.. anyone have suggestions?
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689599 - 03/19/07 10:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take off the tinfoil and replace it with the coffee filters
do this fast like as soon as you lift the last layer of tinfoil place down the coffee filter then hold it in place using a rubber band.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689607 - 03/19/07 10:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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just 1 coffee filter?.. and.. a rubber band? its been like 10 days.. you think i still have a chance in hell? lol
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689609 - 03/19/07 10:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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the lids need to have inoculation ports, where you injected the spore solution, right. make sure those are uncovered and that your jars are in a well-ventilated, warm location - the lighting of the location is up to you, darkness is not a requirement for p.cubensis colonization.
If the jar's do not have any holes in them... do whatever you feel is necessary but air-tight = failed.
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: mycocurious]
#6689619 - 03/19/07 10:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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My first jars didn't have any air exchange. Took them about a month to get fully colonized. Maybe a month and a half. Go for the gas exchange now. I would use 2 filters just because better safe than sorry right? You should be alright man.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689655 - 03/19/07 10:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so........ should i put the coffee filters on so that it surrounds the top of the jars than? lol.. sorry i want like a graph in like 800x zoomed detail... i would have a heart attack if this excursion failed..
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689697 - 03/19/07 10:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeap, you hit the nail on the head. Think about the coffee filter being breathable aluminum foil
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689705 - 03/19/07 10:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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one more odd question, my coffee filters are like pointed hats, should i like.. leave them all pointed or.. should i try to flaten them out somehow? lol
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689723 - 03/19/07 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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try to flatten them out. If you want put the little coffee filter hats on the jars and then put a book on top of the jar for a small amount of time just to flatten it out.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6689730 - 03/19/07 10:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alrighty than.. thanks much.. going to go to my bathroom.. cleanest place around.. ill probably keep posting random crap as new problems arise.. so keep an eye out for me please, lol.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689767 - 03/19/07 11:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well it's 1am here in Orlando and I gotta go to wake up for work at 5:30, post any questions you have here and I'm sure people will answer them if not I will answer them when I wake up. G'night
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6689882 - 03/19/07 11:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hehe.. well ive just got done covering them all with coffee filters.. about 5 had trace amounts of cobweb mold on the top.. all of them wreaked of mushrooms.. im feeling incredibly light headed.. im curious if this could be an affect from inhaling cobweb mold? lol.. also.. are these cakes 100% screwed? or is it possible its just on top? anyone have some good pics of what cobweb mold looks like in a jar..? thanks
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6690548 - 03/20/07 05:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alrighty than.. thanks much.. going to go to my bathroom.. cleanest place around..
By the way, you could clean your bathroom from top to bottom with bleach and it still would be the most contaminated room in your house within an hour of non-use. Half that if it had carpet. The kitchen is the second dirtiest place in your house but because it doesn't have carpet and you don't routinely shit in it, it's slightly cleaner than your bathroom.
Stupid, random trivia you pick up along the way.
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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
Edited by mycocurious (03/20/07 05:14 AM)
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6690549 - 03/20/07 05:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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dup-post
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected...
- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
Edited by mycocurious (03/20/07 05:15 AM)
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
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hehe.. well ive just got done covering them all with coffee filters.. about 5 had trace amounts of cobweb mold on the top.. all of them wreaked of mushrooms.. im feeling incredibly light headed.. im curious if this could be an affect from inhaling cobweb mold? lol.. also.. are these cakes 100% screwed? or is it possible its just on top? anyone have some good pics of what cobweb mold looks like in a jar..? thanks
I suggest LIGHTLY misting it with H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) to help kill the cobweb mold. And cobweb looks a bit like pillow stuffing. Mycelium is a straight white while cobweb looks a bit gray.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: SofaKingGood]
#6692229 - 03/20/07 05:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i read some stuff after posting that, that some mycelium just looks really "wispy" this stuff was between grey and white.. im pretty sure it was cobweb tho.
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6692232 - 03/20/07 05:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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btw, my bathroom doesnt get used, toilet doesnt work.
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Blutjager
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Registered: 06/11/06
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
#6692255 - 03/20/07 05:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait and see,if it gets whiter as it thickens yup its mycelium,if it stays gray and is only on the surface its cobweb
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Blutjager
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: Blutjager]
#6692258 - 03/20/07 05:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where do you use the toilet
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SofaKingGood
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Registered: 06/23/06
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Re: a question about perlite.. [Re: Blutjager]
#6692262 - 03/20/07 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Blutjager said:
Where do you use the toilet
hahahhahaha. Chances are it is just temporary and he has a spare crapper.
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