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thedude21351
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Has my friend damaged their cakes by misting\spraying them?
#6666174 - 03/13/07 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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A friend of a friend dreamt they had 6 standard BRF cakes with no casing in their fruiting dome. The cakes were waiting to pin for about two weeks and all were healthy with lots of new, thick, white growth and even two little hyphal knots that seemed to be developing into pins.
This friend went to spray their fruiting dome for the first time today. Their fingers slipped as they pulled the trigger and accidentally sprayed all 6 cakes directly (they were aiming for the side of the chamber!). Unfortunately, this friend was late for an appointment and had to go out for the day and couldn't tend to the cakes.
After coming back home they noticed that the droplets of water on the cakes from the earlier spraying had evaporated off. Some of the cakes had a few very light blue patches (bruising) and the two little knots\pins were noticeably darker than before.
Has this friend ruined their cakes? Or will everything be okay? What about the two little knots\pins? Should they remove them if they are damaged? Also, have they caused the pinning to delay?
Any words of wisdom out there?
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Re: Damage from misting/spraying? [Re: thedude21351]
#6666195 - 03/13/07 07:35 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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The cakes are fine.
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Re: Has my friend damaged their cakes by misting\spraying them? [Re: thedude21351]
#6666209 - 03/13/07 07:38 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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it is said that, for casings, once rimordia/pins form that misting should be stopped. The same may be applied to cakes, this is why. When you blast primordia/pins with mist, especially if directly, it often causes the primordia/pin to abort, the head turns from a reddish color to a darker one as you are describing. Once the heads turn a darkish blackish color, it is time to remove them for they are considered "aborted".
You shouldnt really need to mist cakes, only initially, and lightly, when you have dunked and rolled your cake in vermiculite (to moisten the vermiculite). Other than that you should only mist on the walls or up in the air over the terrarium, simulating "mist rainfall" if you wanna raise humidity.
Your cakes will be fine, as for those pins they might be goners. keep an eye on them and for color change to black. if that happens pick them off before they rot. pin formation may or may not be delayed, just have patience and more pins should show shortly.
Edited by Edge (03/13/07 07:41 PM)
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thedude21351
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Re: Has my friend damaged their cakes by misting\spraying them? [Re: Edge]
#6666244 - 03/13/07 07:45 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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Sweet. Thank you all so much. That should help a great deal. I shall pass it on to my friend.
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Re: Has my friend damaged their cakes by misting\spraying them? [Re: thedude21351]
#6666528 - 03/13/07 08:57 PM (17 years, 10 days ago) |
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I disagree. Mist cakes a couple of times per day, especially if they've ben dunked and rolled. Keep that verm damp. What you need is a higher priced mister. It should spray a very fine mist and not puke out large droplets that will damage your mushrooms. Aim it up so the mist gently falls onto your cakes. This won't damage the fruits. Yours will probably recover. RR
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thedude21351
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Re: Has my friend damaged their cakes by misting\spraying them? [Re: Edge]
#6679468 - 03/17/07 08:20 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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Hmm. My friend of a friend has been misting the sides of the chamber for a couple of days and their cakes still appear to be a mostly dry. The tops don't look as dry anymore, which is good, but alot of the new white fuzz that used to be there isn't as fuzzy anymore. The cakes also have some light brusing, but this was from the original spraying mishap.
My friend is really regretting not doing a double-end verm casing.
The cakes do have some small patches of healthy fuzz on the bottoms; probably from the original verm that didn't get scraped off. One of the bottoms even have a small collection of white knots. They don't want to flip the cakes since they are not cased.
I might add that these are PE strain, which I know is slow, but this has been over two weeks now.
Should they continue misting? Or should they just leave them alone altogether? Could they flip the cakes, even though they're not cased? Will the cakes ever produce?
Sorry for all the questions. My friend is just nervous.
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thedude21351
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One more question: Is it too late to add some verm to the cakes?
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RogerRabbit
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I'm curious why you're still misting the sides of the container when the mycelium that requires moisture is in the cake? That just doesn't make any sense.
Your cakes are obviously dry after all this time. My suggestion at this point is to soak them for 24 hours in water, then after the soak roll them in dry vermiculite so that the verm coats the entire surface of the cakes. You do this in a bowl, just like you'd coat a piece of chicken with flour before frying. Return to the fruiting chamber, and mist well every hour or two in order to hydrate the dry verm until it's nice and damp.
Rinse the cakes very well under the faucet both before and after the soak. RR
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thedude21351
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Re: Too late to add verm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6679907 - 03/17/07 11:30 AM (17 years, 6 days ago) |
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I'll have my friend do just that. Can the verm be used as is, fresh out of the bag? Or should it be sterilized in the microwave (my friend's PC is broken)?
By the way, my friend was misting the sides of the chamber because after reading through many of the posts they read that most people don't recommend misting the cakes directly. Spraying them directly certainly made more sense to me (since they're dry), but I was worried about damage.
I just hope that my friend's cakes are still good and that they will produce.
Thanks.
Edited by thedude21351 (03/17/07 11:39 AM)
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