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basics: what is time and what is real?
    #6675558 - 03/16/07 01:25 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

What is time?

IMO, There is no future except our expectations in the here and now, there is no past except our memories taking place now. In essence neither of the places truly exist.
For what truly exists and how can we prove it? What exists is here, now, and nothing else. The moments gone.. think about it, time you'll never get back.
Just time?

what is real?

IMO Since the majority decides what is real, and the powerful decide because they can control the majority, we don't hold power to dictate reality or what is real. Only in our own laws can we manipulate the system. We are in essence prisoners, there's free thinkers sure but they're constantly bombarded by the ties and chains of society. The sickness..
And if what we see in our dreams and while induced is NOT REAL, than what is it? Surely there is personal reality and it's just as real... right? Wrong. I bet it's a bit of both.

Can you sum up your thoughts on this better than I please?


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6675766 - 03/16/07 03:43 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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SirTokesALittle said:
There is no future except our expectations in the here and now, there is no past except our memories taking place now. In essence neither of the places truly exist.




I know that the past is real because I understand that it required millions of years of Darwinian evolution for my consciousness to arise in this universe. I know that the future is real because seconds ago, the act of typing out this response was a future occurence.

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what is real?




Anything that exists within my field of perception.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6676379 - 03/16/07 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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what is real?




Anything that exists within my field of perception.





That's the thing though, if someone more powerful comes along, than what is real to you is not really real. IT's only your personal reality. So there must be different scopes of what is real and some of what is real must really be false..
Anyy thoughts?


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6676435 - 03/16/07 11:27 AM (17 years, 7 days ago)

Time is a measure...

What is real, is subjective, ... and that is an objective truth?

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: Gomp]
    #6676517 - 03/16/07 11:54 AM (17 years, 7 days ago)

:thumbup: yup


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6676528 - 03/16/07 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 days ago)

your sig  :lol:


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: Lion]
    #6677028 - 03/16/07 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

Haha, yeah. He's pretty "out there."

LOTR owns btw.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6677047 - 03/16/07 02:10 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

EH brah, did you know that Tolkien jacked the idea from the Age old "Gyges ring" story by Plato? I'm pissed at those grubberrs:bananahorsey:

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6677054 - 03/16/07 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

I don't care because Plato was fucking boring.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6677062 - 03/16/07 02:16 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

Here's the deal, I',m pretty wide and open to ideas, but I want to impress my teacher with a good reality answer, as to what is real and why, and how we know it.
Beyond that, I thirst for knowledge myself, which is foremost from my previously stated.
I'm very careful and won't mention mushrooms or LSD but he already knows I'm far beyond the rest of the class, but I need one of those paradoxes to tie him up with.
:tarzan:

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6677065 - 03/16/07 02:18 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6677068 - 03/16/07 02:20 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

I'll show him!

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Solipsism, like other skeptical hypotheses, is likely impossible to refute.




LOL what a fallacy.

Later Potater, I've got garden work..
It's 4:20 and it's a nice day outside.
Plus the shovel is itching for damp dirt.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6677151 - 03/16/07 02:50 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

I'm not that good in physics and the scientific explanation of time. If energy is neither created nor destroyed it just exist and only changes from form to form, how does time work? Is time just the observance (consciousness?) of this change? I remember hearing that our previous lifetimes and our current lifetime actually all exists in the present moment, though on different planes. It is possible for some in the present moment to tap into the knowledge gained in a previous lifetime.

Isn't it funny that the past exist in your mind like a dream. Thinking of the future is like a dream too. The only thing that's real is the present moment. Sorry, just thinking out loud with little understanding and making no sense.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: GnosticWarrior]
    #6677168 - 03/16/07 02:55 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm not that good in physics and the scientific explanation of time. If energy is neither created nor destroyed it just exist and only changes from form to form, how does time work? Is time just the observance (consciousness?) of this change? I remember hearing that our previous lifetimes and our current lifetime actually all exists in the present moment, though on different planes. It is possible for some in the present moment to tap into the knowledge gained in a previous lifetime.




I completely agree with everything you said other than the last sentence. We cannot tap into knowledge from a "previous lifetime" because in order to gain the knowledge of another entity we would have to experience his or her consciousness, and as humans, we are bound within our own field of perception.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6678068 - 03/16/07 07:45 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

I think your field of perception point is indeed true. However, our soul is the one constant that existed in all life times. Our bodies where just temporary vehicles. Everytime we reincarnated we forget about our pervious lifetimes. Though, there is supposed to be some leakage through the subconscious. I don't believe I did but others have claimed to be gifted or through meditation have supposedly gained access to the knowledge of their previous lives.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6678074 - 03/16/07 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

Time is a measurement useful only for successfully coordinating and setting into perspective important events that have or will have taken place.

Time is about as real as any other measurement. In measuring length for example, if you were to bring the object into great magnification, you would be able to more effectively measure the object by including the otherwise unnoticeable imperfections that make the path from point A to point B much less straightforward than it had originally appeared. Because we can only make such precise measurements, and because every measured object has imperfections, it is impossible to truly find any length - it is only possible to make a calculation using a standardized system, making measurements in some of the most abstract of systems.

We take measurements, as important and necessary as they are, far too factually. Or the theories of measurement at least. We view time as a forwardly propelled invisible specter of the whole cosmic jello, as if we could just almost actually control it, prolong our inevitable fate from occurring.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: GnosticWarrior]
    #6678079 - 03/16/07 07:50 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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I think your field of perception point is indeed true. However, our soul is the one constant that existed in all life times. Our bodies where just temporary vehicles. Everytime we reincarnated we forget about our pervious lifetimes. Though, there is supposed to be some leakage through the subconscious. I don't believe I did but others have claimed to be gifted or through meditation have supposedly gained access to the knowledge of their previous lives.




I take the subjective experiences of others with a very fine grain of salt.

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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: GnosticWarrior]
    #6678135 - 03/16/07 08:12 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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our soul is the one constant that existed in all life times.

SAYS WHO?

Everytime we reincarnated we forget about our previous lifetimes. Though, there is supposed to be some leakage through the subconscious.

ROGER THAT











If I live tomorrow today, and I dream the past the present and the future, how then am I not connected to something real, beyond the levels of scientifically accepted theories? the thoughts are powerful ways to make or break a point.. what is more powerful, time or our thoughts, does God exist in or out of time?


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: Lion]
    #6678289 - 03/16/07 08:54 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

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bug said:
your sig  :lol:




Totally out of context. I was pretty much forced into posting that,... and of course he selects only a small section of the post. :P

Carry on...


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Re: basics: what is time and what is real? [Re: SirTokesALittle]
    #6678405 - 03/16/07 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 days ago)

I agree with your take on time, past and future, and therefore present also, are abstract designations...they are merely names and are not themselves real.

In fact, any thing you can utter will be simply a name, a label, a symbol, but not reality itself. So with that in mind, you tell me, what is real?

Furthermore, any answer to your question would depend on your definition of "real". I define "real" as being anything that is independently existent, existing without depending on any cause or condition - existing of itself. In that sense, then, not a damn thing is real.

And yet, here we are!


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