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Cerebro
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Growing amongst live moss
#6671989 - 03/15/07 09:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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1.Is it possible to grow mushrooms among live harvested moss or decaying moss? 2.And is it possible that some "higher fungus" use "lower plants" as a sort of safe heaven for their spores; or even create a phyto-symbiosis(phytobionts). Live mosses produce antibacterial substances. Conversely, parasitic plants like Indian pipe, which bear a resemblance to mushrooms in some manner, use "lower fungi" as mycorhizzal symbionts(mycobionts).
This question arose when I noticed a small fruiting fungus(likely an Ascomycete) and lichens(Ascomycete/autotroph) growing directly on the moss near a tree.
According to Stamets, fungi evolved from these lower plants(terrestrial aglae) losing their ability to photosynthesizes and becoming parasitic.
3.Could this apply to Psilocybe species?
Edited by Cerebro (03/15/07 09:42 AM)
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shroomydan
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Re: Gowing amongst moss [Re: Cerebro]
#6672033 - 03/15/07 09:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are lots of beneficial relationships between plants and fungus. I once inadvertently mixed viable rye grains in with a peat moss casing for P. cubensis. All my other casings contaminated before fruiting (due to neglect, high temps and low air exchange), but the one with the the sprouting rye grass did very well.
I have noticed lots of species in the wild which only seem to grow from moss. Many small Russula and Cortinarius species seem to exclusively fruit from mossy substrates. Psilocybe montana also fruits exclusively from moss.
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fastfred
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Re: Gowing amongst moss [Re: shroomydan]
#6672807 - 03/15/07 01:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fungi are often closely associated with moss. As far as using it to cultivate them I don't think you would have much success since you wouldn't be able to replicate the required growing conditions and it would just quickly become a contaminated mess.
Fungi didn't evolve from plants. They have had a close symbiosis since the rise of terrestrial life and it's debatable if fungi or plants came first. Biochemically they are very different and fungi are more closely related to animals than plants.
-FF
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falcon


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Re: Gowing amongst moss [Re: shroomydan]
#6674891 - 03/15/07 10:16 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I once inadvertently mixed viable rye grains in with a peat moss casing for P. cubensis. All my other casings contaminated before fruiting (due to neglect, high temps and low air exchange), but the one with the the sprouting rye grass did very well.
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falcon


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Re: Growing amongst live moss [Re: Cerebro]
#6674991 - 03/15/07 10:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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3.Could this apply to Psilocybe species? 
Sounds like it might be something fun to play with. Peat moss is used as a casing when it is buffered with Calcium carbonate. Live moss might be too acidic.
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YidakiMan
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Re: Growing amongst live moss [Re: falcon]
#6677964 - 03/16/07 07:05 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moss "leaves" create a microclimate for pins.
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fastfred
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Re: Growing amongst live moss [Re: YidakiMan]
#6762028 - 04/08/07 04:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is Psilocybe montana AKA "Mountain Moss Psilocybe".
I would imagine that you would need moss to cultivate this species. The moss could be sterilized and grown then seeded with an isolated strain of Psilocybe montana.
It sounds like a difficult but very interesting project. It might be interesting to the guy with the thread about growing a self-contained biological display.
-FF
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