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Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly
    #6670271 - 03/14/07 10:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Is it passable? I want to grow them and people to think "oh what a nice flower" and not know that I'm growing it for other reasons. Should I just score the pod, collect, and then quickly cut it off or something?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6670320 - 03/14/07 10:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Do you not have a backyard or some other place not easily visible to people walking by to grow them in?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6670354 - 03/14/07 10:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Just grow other flowers with them, there is few people that thinks there is anything strange with growing poppies. My mother has a whole flower-bench of them...

edit: or grow peony varietys, they don't look like the poppies people connect to opium..


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Nalim]
    #6670383 - 03/14/07 10:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

peonys are great. there are some very beautiful ones out there. you dont exactly have to be to descrete just put them in your garden. i had cops at my neighbors house(we share a driveway). well they walked right past them and my large plot of them and plenty of cacti. mind you these were not your average cops but narcotics officers coming for the mexicans that lived next door. gave me a heart attack but they didnt even look twice at what they were surrounded by.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6676209 - 03/16/07 11:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My opinion.......Best bet is to...............

HIDE (plant) IN PLAIN SIGHT.

Usually, along with other flowering type plants.
About the same height.
In a flower garden area.

If you attempt to conceal them.
That makes it look SUSPICIOUS.
Which can attract attention.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: agar]
    #6676926 - 03/16/07 03:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

mine werent exactly hidden.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: durban_poison]
    #6677128 - 03/16/07 04:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well I mean when I score the pods to harvest isn't it going to be obvious? My backyard has a chain link fence about 4 and a half feet high, anyone can see anything. Both of my neighbors garden a lot, as do the folks. What I'm wondering is is it going to look obvious when I go to collect?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6677158 - 03/16/07 04:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

do it night time?? just collect it instantly instead of waiting.. You can go a second round in the morning and take the small amounts that doesn't come instantly...


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6677160 - 03/16/07 04:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yes it will. even if they dont see you. as gardeners the will check out your garden and flowers. if they see lanced poppy pods that might not be so good. just make tea its easy and not labor intensive as lancing. grow a peony type if its only a chain linked fence. when harvesting make it look sloppy so if they see you they think you are removing them to plant another crop for the end of summer. pile them up leave them in the yard in a huge pile like you dont care. then after nightfall go out and sneak them into the house. then hang dry them. while hanging them enjoy a cup of fresh poppy tea. i would also recommend planting a different crop after removing. some late season plants. that way it looks like you are just using your gartden effeciently.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: durban_poison]
    #6677202 - 03/16/07 05:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

durban...that are some beautiful poopies ;D
they're so...green! and leafy... how was the O from them?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Nalim]
    #6677211 - 03/16/07 05:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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do it night time?? just collect it instantly instead of waiting.. You can go a second round in the morning and take the small amounts that doesn't come instantly...




Well yeah, I'm not going to collect in plain daylight. Sorry, I think I didn't word my question all that well. I've never done this before either. What I'm wondering is after I collect, will people be able to tell I scored the pods? After I score and collect should I just rip the pods off? Do they flower before I can score or after?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6677257 - 03/16/07 05:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

before..
If you want to remove the heads you could scorch them during the night, collect, then go out in the morning when the community is waking up and cut the entire plants down, if anyone asks what you're doing you're going to dry them for flower arrangements..


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Nalim]
    #6677262 - 03/16/07 05:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, and scorched pods retain over 0,16%dry weight alkaloids so you can make tea from them after you've dried them, or pod-putty..


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Nalim]
    #6677275 - 03/16/07 05:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice, that's what I planned on doing. Since the scored pods are obviously less potent than non-scored pods is there still a possibility of ODing? Is there a possibility to OD at all from poppy tea? Thanks for all the help.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6677371 - 03/16/07 06:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"Is there a possibility to OD at all from poppy tea?"

Yes.

"Since the scored pods are obviously less potent than non-scored pods is there still a possibility of ODing?"

I'd say potentially more, only because you might overcompensate for the lost alkaloids. I'd never let the pods go to waste, and I'd make tea as well. But I'd start my tea testing off at the same level I'd do for alkaloid-intact pods just to be safe.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6677384 - 03/16/07 06:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, of cause you could OD from any source of morphine, its not as if a dose of morphine from pods are less than a dose of pure morphine...

The dosage problem is often brought up with poppy seed tea, not pod tea, thats because you need crazy amounts of seeds so its hard to get many doses from the same source.
Therefore you can't standardize a powder or preparation you can use many times and find out how much you need to get a buzz but not die..

With pod tea you can powder 100 pods and take 1/50th the first time then if you cant feel that you can take 2/50th the next time and so on until you find out how strong your powder is...

Scored pods are used pretty often and work fine, just work your way up to see where your tolerance is at..


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Nalim]
    #6677608 - 03/16/07 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't there an additional compound found specifically in the seeds which at times is responsible for overdose?


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6677670 - 03/16/07 07:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: Innominate]
    #6678395 - 03/16/07 11:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Well I mean when I score the pods to harvest isn't it going to be obvious? My backyard has a chain link fence about 4 and a half feet high, anyone can see anything. Both of my neighbors garden a lot, as do the folks. What I'm wondering is is it going to look obvious when I go to collect?



I remember a post where some one was talking about pruning the pods and then scoring them inside over a container of water so that the latex drips into the water. Then filter and slowly cook down to make refined smokable opium. Then dry the pods for tea. More discrete than scoring outside and you still get something smokable.


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Re: Growing and Harvesting Poppy Discreetly [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #6679200 - 03/17/07 04:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

all im saying is if your neighbors are gardeners they are going to notice. if you score them or remove them. its because people that garden always check their neighbors for new ides. they will notice missing heads or scored pods. scorded are more then obvious. as far as the question of the "o" from those hen & chicks well i dont go for the "o" on this variety. it drips into the chicks and gets lost. only tea on this variety. its damn good though. i recomend you just go the tea route and be as safe as possible. also the amount of work you have to go through just for a little "o" isnt even worth it.


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