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Psychoactive Cacti
    #6668584 - 03/14/07 12:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I just planted some peruvian torch seeds and I was thinking of getting some other kinds of psychoactive cacti. I was thinking of getting some sunami (ARIOCARPUS FISSURATUS) seeds. Does anyone have experience growing or using sunami? What are the affects like? I'm open to suggestions on what species of cacti to get. Any advice or information will be helpful.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6668626 - 03/14/07 12:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

just to let you know seeds take a very long time..

you can buy a pedro/or torch that is 15 inchs plus and chop the tip off and grow 1-4 new tips then chop those and get more and more

you can have 10 /// 12-15+ inch cacti in the time it takes yous seeds to get 10 inches.

cutting are the way to go. the only thing i grow from seed now is peyote because it gets grafted after a month or 2

but it is up to you


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6668631 - 03/14/07 12:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently, the best and fastest method is to grow Peyote and Pachanoi, then graft the Peyote on top of the Pachanoi. Allegedly it makes the cactus grow as fast as Pachanoi (a lot faster than Peyote), but with about as much Mescaline in it as Peyote has. I'm going to be cultivating my own cacti soon enough. I'll let you know how this experiment goes once I do it. Good luck growing.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: EllisDSox]
    #6668875 - 03/14/07 01:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with Royer; that's how I started my collection 5 years ago and now I have over a hundred tips( not potted plants but individual tips). A stump will grow 1-5 new pups; once they're at least 10" tall I cut and root those and their stumps will grow new pups. They multiply pretty fast (exponentially) this way.

However, no sense in not planting the seeds if you have them.
I'm also curious about this "sunami" you speak of.

EllisD: grafted peyote aren't nearly as potent as hard grown cacti; they're essentially big balls of water. They grow 10x faster but size is not an indicator of alkaloid content.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6668924 - 03/14/07 01:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I was thinking of getting some sunami (ARIOCARPUS FISSURATUS) seeds. Does anyone have experience growing or using sunami? What are the affects like?




Ariocarpus are very slow-growing like Lophophora, and some are also threatened. Although most cacti contain alkaloids of some kind, why would you want to sacrifice an Ariocarpus when you have the fast-growing Trichocereus species at your disposal?

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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Taharka]
    #6669001 - 03/14/07 02:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

get some lophophora williamsii seed and learn how to graft!

(yeah i know its not legal where u are)


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6669099 - 03/14/07 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Where do you guys suggest getting San Pedro? I looked at a few places and I don't think anyone had it. I saw something similar at Lowe's, but no one there knew what it was. No one anywhere knows what any of their cacti are.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6669135 - 03/14/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Theres this thing called the Internet, you can get a lot of things there...

I'll link you!:grin:
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=trichocereus+pachanoi&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6669136 - 03/14/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Information found at Erowid
SUNAMI: This plant, ARIOCARPUS FISSURATUS, has been used in folkoric medicine of Mexico and southwestern USA. It is believed to be more potent than peyote and is used in the same manner as that cactus or made into an intoxicating drink. Among some tribes it is known as Chaute (a generic term for Ariocarpus species), living rock, or dry whiskey. The latter name, however, is often used for peyote and other psychoactive cacti. There are two varieties of A. fissuratus: var. lloydii and var. fissuratus. Both have about the same phytochemical makeup. The plant contains mostly hordenine, less N-methyl-tyramine and some N-methyl-3,4-dimethoxy-B-phenethylamine. Two other species, A. kotschoubeyanus also known as Pata De Venado or Pezuna De Venado, and A. trigonus also contain these alkaloids.

That's why I was wondering if anyone has tried this particular cactus. It's compared to peyote, but doesn't have mescaline.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Nalim]
    #6669143 - 03/14/07 02:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the Internet advice. I'm trying to resist it though because I don't want to pay for shipping. I may have to give in though.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Nalim]
    #6669151 - 03/14/07 02:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You linked me to the Swedish Google :shocked:


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6669225 - 03/14/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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You linked me to the Swedish Google :shocked:




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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6669252 - 03/14/07 03:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: sorry man, it links me there automatically when I go to google.com... the bastards have my ip:mad:


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Nalim]
    #6669264 - 03/14/07 03:25 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I forgive you.  :grin:  Nice Sallys.  I'm hoping mine won't completely die.


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6669272 - 03/14/07 03:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. :smile:


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: guitarguy0123]
    #6670166 - 03/14/07 07:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

if your intrested in seeds pm me. heres a pic of mine in preflower. i pollenated with loph pollen, we will see if it takes. i probably still have about 200 seeds of this plant.

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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: EllisDSox]
    #6670363 - 03/14/07 08:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You said to graft the peyote onto Pachanoi, what about san padro?
can you graft peyote on san padro? I hear that grows pretty fast as well?


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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6670372 - 03/14/07 08:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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grafted peyote aren't nearly as potent as hard grown cacti; they're essentially big balls of water. They grow 10x faster but size is not an indicator of alkaloid content.




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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: durban_poison]
    #6670817 - 03/14/07 10:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

if it seeds i would love to grow/graft some ariocarpus :smile:

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Re: Psychoactive Cacti [Re: Turgurlas]
    #6671397 - 03/15/07 01:21 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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You said to graft the peyote onto Pachanoi, what about san padro?
can you graft peyote on san padro? I hear that grows pretty fast as well?




san pedro/t.pachanoi are the same.


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