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Marsofold DMT extraction question
#6667657 - 03/14/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: Here's the Marsofold Tek Quantum just mentioned. It is the easiest Tek around and produces very clean DMT. Check out my DMT trip report in my journal. Peace 
Amazing simple clean DMT extraction How to easily make DMT: ======================= Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 2" pieces and grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time. ------------------------------------ Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container. Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container again. Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon container to settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an empty 1-Gallon glass wine jug, being careful not to pour off any of the vegetable sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug. ------------------------------------ Basification: Premix in advance a solution of: 5 Tablespoons (63grams) of Sodium Hydroxide ("Red Devil" lye) with 1-Pint of WARM Water. Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix the contents. ------------------------------------ Nonpolar Extraction: Add 250ml of (Ace Hardware)VM&P Naptha to the wine jug. Add exactly enough warm water to the jug to raise the liquid level to an inch below the top, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug slowly back and forth for 5 full minutes to mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table for at least 4 hours. There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller clear one on top filling the neck of the jug. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up the top clear layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the lower brown/black layer into the mason jar. ------------------------------------- Freeze-precipitation/wash: place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the crystals. Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a quart mason jar and putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel. Shake the naptha in the mason jar strongly to stir up all the crystals at the bottom and quickly pour while still very cold into the funnel for filtering. Impure yellow-white DMT crystals will be seen on the coffee filter paper. Allow the crystals to completely dry out on the filter paper in the funnel. Premix a wash solution by mixing equal parts of Distilled Water and NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) into a pint container. Slowly pour 100ml of the wash solution over the crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them. Remove the filter paper from the funnel, spread it out flat and allow the crystals to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have 2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT. At least 50 strong doses. Mix it with some parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!
so this is the extraction method i decided to go with- since it says nothing about 3 weeks wait in any of the steps so hopefully ill get some yellow dreamshards by this weekend . the question i have is the last step about putting the funnel in another empty mason jar. why is that necessary? what are you saving the liquid for? can it be frozen and extracted even MORE? also would this lye work in place of "Red devil"? http://www.amazon.com/ROOTO-CORPORATION-1030-Drain-Opener/dp/B000BOCAOY/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3756794-8390252?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1173867925&sr=8-1
Edited by ItsaMeMario (03/14/07 04:30 AM)
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6667874 - 03/14/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello! Your questions should be answered throughout this post. Marsofold tek can essentially be done in 2 days... and keep in mind that using the exact amounts of water + lye + vinegar for each step is essential... not so much for the naphtha since you can evap it down if needed before precipitation. A friend uses closer to 400ml naphtha then after the separation reduces it down to about 50ml or so (until its supersaturated) for precipitation (talked about below)
That lye will work fine. Here is another brand that also works that is sometimes found locally:
http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-10015&ps_session=fcdda1b25f7f706cef2521cbaa3b7458
After you extract in the slow-cooker, let the liquid sit overnight in a gallon container in the fridge. Then slowly pour off through a metal coffee filter to filter out any extra gunk. This is the decanting phase.
Now the rest of the extraction can be done in a day. Mix in your lye then soon after mix in your naphtha (while its still fairly hot). Tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Once sitting, the separation should occur fairly fast, and after an hour or 2 the naphtha is usually ready to be pulled off. If you have trouble for some reason, put 3-4 lid-bands on the bottom of your pressure cooker, then put your container on top of the lid bands. MAKE SURE THE CAP IS REMOVED FROM YOUR JUG. Fill with water till a couple inches below the top of the pressure cooker and turn the heat on medium-high or so to heat-bath separate it.
Keep your pulls separate! This well result in several grades of purer product and keep oils from other pulls from contaminating your clean pure white first pull stuff (you can always wash the other pulls later to remove yellows).
The trick for purity is the freeze precipitation. And the trick with the freeze precipitation is supersaturation. This means, after you have your naphtha from the extraction, put it in a dish in front of a fan and evaporate it until the naphtha becomes cloudy. It is now ready to be put in the freezer for precipitation.
Marsofold himself actually made an update to this tek... this update says not to use a jar for freeze precipitation, too much of a PITA to get stuck crystals out. Use a small evaporation dish, like a smalll Pyrex baking dish. Put saran wrap over the top of it to protect from dust then put this in the freezer. After the precipitates fall out, you can slowly pour off the naphtha through a coffee filter (to collect rogue crystals) while the lump some of the crystals will be on the bottom of the dish. Let this air dry then scrape off the dish.
The funnel is just one way, a friend prefers to get a 5 inch diameter metal screen kitchen strainer, and put a round coffee filter in it. They pour through this and YES collect the extra liquid. Within an hour the naphtha should evap off the coffee filter. All this extra naphtha needs to be saved... see next paragraph.
Freezer precipitation can happen within an hour or two. You can do it at this point, then when you are finished with everything, evap down your leftover naphtha till its supersaturated then put in the freezer for 3 days to pull out any extra.
Recrystallization is a good way to clean too. Set up a simple double-boiler with a mason jar on a lid band in a skillet or something and throw some naphtha in there till it is very warm\hot. Now take your DMT crystals and put them into a half pint mason jar or so. Add hot naphtha very slowly, add just enough until all the DMT becomes dissolved. You may now notice a separate layer on the bottom of the jar of yellow oil. If you slightly tilt the jar it will collect in the corner. Use a dropper to suck out this yellow oil (the contaminants) then proceed to the freeze precipitation again. Repeating this step, even without the presence of yellow oil (just simply dissolving in just enough naphtha + re-crystallizing) can further purify your product. A good 2-4 recrystallizations works well.
I could go on more about variations in technique, better recrystallization methods and extra washing methods, but this should give you a start
Lemme know if you need any help
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6668017 - 03/14/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said:
so this is the extraction method i decided to go with- since it says nothing about 3 weeks wait in any of the steps so hopefully ill get some yellow dreamshards by this weekend . [/url]
Yellow dreamshards...not with this tech... first pull, right out of the freezer...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: mockeylock]
#6668246 - 03/14/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those look pretty white to me, homey.
What tek did you use?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6668958 - 03/14/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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cant motherfuckin wait! just ordered 1lb of mimosa for $57 at ebay. ok and how long does mimosa bark stay viable for dmt extraction? i have 3oz of bark that's been laying around since last summer. almost year now. i always got turned off doing it cuz of the comlicated tek on erowid.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6669113 - 03/14/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was referring to Marsofold's tek...same one he posted. and I think the goodies would be stable in the bark for quite a long time, I'm sure it's still good.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: mockeylock]
#6669140 - 03/14/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok this is totally seperate question but don't feel like making a new thread for it. is there any 'smart' way to do dmt? like we have mushrooms and lemon and weed and vaporizer and such.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6669717 - 03/14/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The best way to do DMT is, imo, out of an oiler style pipe like this one:

Any lighter will work, but a jet flame works kewl. You wanna use about as much DMT as equals the size of a pencil eraser.
You wanna take a big hit, hold it for a few seconds, let it out. Take a second, hold it for a few seconds, let it out. Take a third and big hit, hold it in as LONG as you can, then let it out. Hold on for dear... life?
I wouldn't do it with ANY other drugs for your first couple of times. As far as with mushrooms, do it either right before you dose, or on the comedown, but not on the peak until you feel really comfortable to do so. Hope this helps!
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6669732 - 03/14/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are some extra notes from Marsofold that you may or may not have seen.
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Here are some tips for improving the yield:
#1 Grind the rootbark up to 1mm diameter or smaller. Finer is better.
#2 Use three water-vinegar extractions rather than two. Divide up the water-vinegar mix so that you roughly use 50% for the first extraction, 25% for the second, and 25% for the third extraction. After the last extraction press out the fiber to squeeze the last bit of liquid from it.
#3 Basify to a pH of 13. If you don't have pH papers, basify till it turns black, then add an additional 25% of whatever amount of basification solution you used. This is to guarantee that you're at a pH of 13. The brown foam you see floating on top of the basified extract after tilting the jug should flatten out to a thickness of no more than 1/2" after 45 minutes or so if you've used enough lye. Add a bit more lye and re-tilt if it's thicker than that.
#4 Naptha: the freeze-precipitation technique is a double-edged sword. Very convenient and high quality, but highly dependent upon knowing the approximate amount of DMT expected to be precipitated. If you use too much naptha, then only a little bit precipitates out. If you use too little, then it doesn't extract it all out of solution. It is the simplest case of recrystalization. The best way using it if you aren't very sure of the yield is to use a slight excess to extract, then evaporate it down to 10% of the original volume. THEN freeze it. This will pretty much guarantee excellent results. For example: For a pound of rootbark use 500 milliliters of naptha to extract. Then evaporate it down to 50 milliliters. Then freeze it and filter out the crystals. By the way, you must very quickly filter it within a minute or two after removal from the freezer so it doesn't have any time to warm up. And your freezer can't be marginally cold. If it doesn't freeze ice cream HARD,then it isn't cold enough. -20C is about where it should be.
#5 Washing: Be sure that the crystals are absolutely DRY before washing. An alternative to the ammonia-water wash is to use 25 milliliters of ICE COLD distilled water to wash.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6669922 - 03/14/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i;ve been driving around all day looking for ingredients. the only one i couldnt find was lye. anybody in LA area help me out? also, where can i buy those pipes for cheap? glass...cocks. there i said it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6669952 - 03/14/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: where can i buy those pipes for cheap?
Any headshop should carry them... and in the shops they are called "oilers" (so avoid asking for a "meth pipe" heh). Roebic brand lye (in that pic I gave you) is commonly sold at Lowes, so checkin out all the Lowes Hardware stores in your area might be worth while. Good luck!
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6670376 - 03/14/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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50 hits worth sounds like a lot to me- enought to last a single person's life time. how often do you go thru this drug? seeing as how a trip only lasts 10 minute or so with no neg. comedown, can you do hits after another in one sitting?
AND any website where i can get 'oilers' for cheap and bulk? i wanna give these out along with the dmt to all my friends.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6670962 - 03/14/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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50 hits worth goes faster then you think when your givin it away....
Donno about wholesale meth pipes.
95% or so of the DMT I've seen is given away... It's felt as a sort of a social duty as a basement shaman. What isn't given is saved, but none has been used by myself in a while. I've spread it eassily to over a hundred people and counting... most multiple times. I have perfected peaking peoples interest, giving them the right info, then convicing them to do it. Even non drug users. Spreadin the gospel...
You can hit it again after about an hour with just a little bit of tolerance build-up. Usually 3-4 times over a 4-5 hour period on a night works well. After 24 hours your tolerance is down significantly, however, that does not mean hit it every 24 hours just because you can. I like to wait about a week inbetween "sessions" then hit it about 2-4 times per session over 4-5 hours.
I find this gives time to process the experience a bit better. This is more then just spiritual reasoning as I noticed that with multiple daily use my trips were ending up being very very similar, at one point i even had the same trip twice. About 6-7 spirit guides were entertaining me in my apartment doing various motion activities. I hit it again an hour later and they were in the SAME spots doing the SAME things but at about twice the speed as they were before. I personally believe that it was my guide's lesson to me about not using it that frequently. So now I wait at least a week.
It's been a while since I've hit any though... about a year... last time i had any DMT was last March when I took pharmahuasca and had a crazy closed-eye movie type thing that all I remember is some humanoid worm thing flying and his insides coming out of his mouth and him transforming into his insides then to something else, all about transition of the flesh. I found out the next day my great uncle was on his death bed. My heightened spiritual energy at the time really helped in my assisting him in spirit when I was at the bed as he died a few days later... 
Hopefully Dimitri and I will meet again as soon as I soon get over this pesky throat infection. I am ready again... it's time to return home...
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6671072 - 03/14/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol wholesale meth pipe. i just gotta find the skinniest black dude on the street. how did you convince people to do it, btw? right now, i'm making burned 2 track cds. track 1 is Joe Rogan on DMT. track 2 is well, DMT- divine moments of truth by shpongle. i fear that joe is little too aggressive on the shit, tho. i already had one friend say nah, man, that shit sounds too strong for me. anybody have a smoother, more methodical intro of DMT on mp3?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6671688 - 03/15/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Too strong is a total understatement. DMT rips apart reality within seconds and its not something you can either prepare for or get used to. I haven't been able to break through using oiler type devices, i much prefer to layer it between some ashes in a nice long glass pipe and hit it til i break through. As for your mp3's look for terrence Mckennas lectures, there are loads on DMT.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6675106 - 03/15/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yo SDP, are you getting my PMs? i sent you two and i'm not seeing anything in my outbox.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6675136 - 03/15/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok i have more questions regarding the extraction. can you use coffee filter at your first step and skip the 'store overnight to let particles settle' part? or are some essencial particles that are needed for the process filtered out by the coffee paper?
also have question about step 3 the seperation- what is the point of adding warm water to the jug along with naptha? and is there no specific amount to it? also, i thought i heard something about heating up the naptha? and mars states on the later tips that the amoutn of naptha is 500ml to 1lb bark as opposed to 250ml of the orignial tek? also how long does it take to evaporate naphta?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6675710 - 03/16/07 02:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dont Cut Corners!!! This will only hurt you in the end, leave the particles to settle even if you strain it through a t-shirt. As for the adding of warm water, im not sure, Ironically I never do that part and my yield is always fine probably because I add slightly more water when I add more lye.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6675713 - 03/16/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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man, i got 1lb of mimosa bark coming and i really don't wanna screw up since that $60 was a lot of money for me at the moment. provided that i do badly, what do you think will be the minimum yield i get out of 1lb? and whats the maximum that can be extracted?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6675894 - 03/16/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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from around 1.5kg we successfully yielded around ~6-~8g of pretty pure fractal dust. Unless you're a complete fool unable to tell the difference between your arse and your elbow, its pretty hard to go wrong with this extraction. I wouldn't want to give you an estimated lowest yield in case I was way off and it's not something anyone could make a prediction that's even close. The most important factors of the extraction are as follows (these are the important variables for getting a good yield so give these steps your full attention):
1: Pulverise the fuck out the MHRB, you want it as close to powder as you can humanly go. 2: Dont hold back on first stage when soaking it in the vinegar water solution, I'd say for best results use Boiling water and leave around an hour between each straining. 3: Underbasification is THE biggest culprit for poor yields so when adding lye (and FGS be very, very, very, VERY careful when adding the lye. Do it slowly) We used around 120-130g added to 1 pint luke warm water per 500g MHRB, thats alot of lye but it does the trick, you may need to recrystalise after or at least give it an ammonia bath. 4: Use slightly more naptha than it says, not much like 10-20% more. And after shaking the mix up leave it for a good few hours to fully settle before attempting seperation. Oha and when you gotta shake it, shake it well by rotating it for a full 5 minutes. 5: When seperating you absolutely must not let anything Non-naptha get into the solution you will be freezing as this ends up in your smoke, and that in turn ends up in you and you don't want to be smoking lye.
Sounds ominous and complex but it really ain't, I can do the whole process over a couple of days without thinking about it once, just doing my thang on auto-pilot.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6677061 - 03/16/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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is seperatory funnel a must for best results? i just have a turkey baster with an injection tube right now. if so, will a plastic funnel work? glass ones are hella expensive...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6677156 - 03/16/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can get stainless steel ones at a reasonable price....you can't see into them, but I'd rather use something I knew wasn't going to react with strong chemicals like NaOH...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6677179 - 03/16/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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No separatory funnel is used, instead, a plastic turkey baster...
For various things (pouring, adding stuff, etc) a plastic regular funnel is used...
Aside from Xylene eating away at the baster, there usually isn't too many problems with extractions using other solvents. Try not to put anything too basic or acidic on the plastic though. A glass one is preferred.
The key with the baster is once you get close to the sludge, you gotta go at it straight on. Use 2 hands to squeeze all 4 lined sides of the baster top then slowly insert baster to where the bottom tip BARELY goes under the naphtha directly in the center of the puddle. Now VERY VERY SLOWLY begin to release the pressure off your hands and draw up naphtha. Going slowly allows the naphtha level to even out and continually get sucked up, as apposed to going fast and creating an area of abnormally low density that gets filled with sludge.
Be VERY careful not to apply any squirt pressure during this phase of this process, as just a little bit of back-pressure can stir up the emulsions since the naphtha level is so low.
If you do get a whole baster full of clean naphtha then just a LITTLE bit of junk at the end, pull the baster up a little out of the naphtha and don't squirt or suck any air\naphtha into\out of the baster. Wait a few seconds and the nasties should settle to the bottom of the baster near the hole, and you can squirt just this little bit back into the jug. A big "Micro-separation" if you will...
And as always for all extractions, its ALWAYS better to leave a little solvent in the jug then to get a little sludge or emulsions.... By the time you've done 3 pulls outta the same material, the amount you will lose is negligible.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
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this thread is helpfull
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: notapillow]
#6678921 - 03/17/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The man who claims to have first discovered that DMT freebase can be smoked goes by the names of Ayes. He is still a fugitive so he doesn't give his real identity. He has been making DMT for over 40 years. If you want to know what's up with DMT listen to what he has to say. Here are the links to the best papers written on the subject of DMT. Straight up.
http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/sacred.pdf
http://serendipity.li/dmt/weebit2.pdf
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: muistrue]
#6679123 - 03/17/07 02:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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anybody have a good mp3 file about dmt besides joe rogan's rambling? i heard that he was just reciting some famous sage's writings. Im trying to make a cd for some of my friends who are not interested in reading the english language and frankly, I think what Joe Rogan says comes off as a little too agressive. 'SMOKE DMT AND JOIN MY CULT MOTHERFUCKERS!' what? oh also theres gonna be shpongle's divine moments of truth on the cd. i guess that goes without saying tho. so- any other mp3s on intros to DMT and any other songs like divine moments of truth? thanks a lot guys. this thread is making my day, every day.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6679178 - 03/17/07 02:24 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you seen Vortex's Quicktek? It is even faster than this tek and creates succesfully higher yeilds. If you want to take a look at it send me a PM and i'll link you too the PDF.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
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i found the tek on google. it seems like it's a much easier method indeed and there are lot of testimony behind it. however, it's made to look more complicated by one reason and one reason only. lack of punctuation. i mean the way the tek is written its like it just goes on and on about a single process while backtracking to describe the sidestepped needed for it without giving indications of so so that when i read it i just go like huh where did that step come from and when do i do that oh i gotta go back and read this thing all over again there is no comma! yeah sort of like my last sentece... anyways, seems that a good man named Norman has polished the tek and named it after himself. thanks for directing me toward these guys. im gonna try both norman's tek and mars'.
here's norma's tek
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/doc/nomans_dmt_extraction_tek.pdf
ok, even with norman's tek i still need elaboration on couple things- crystalization and recrystalization. when you poor naptha into jars, do you seal the jars? and when recrystalizing, do you seal that container also before putting into refregirator? and what does it mean by seperating crystal from slag?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6679306 - 03/17/07 03:36 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok I dunno if its ok to post links, but try this pdf
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/doc/vortex_dmt_extraction_tek_bklt.pdf
i read it and easily understood it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
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Ok I dunno if its ok to post links, but try this pdf
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/doc/vortex_dmt_extraction_tek_bklt.pdf
i read it and easily understood it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6679505 - 03/17/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: ok, even with norman's tek i still need elaboration on couple things- crystalization and recrystalization. when you poor naptha into jars, do you seal the jars? and when recrystalizing, do you seal that container also before putting into refregirator? and what does it mean by seperating crystal from slag?
After several reads, I'm still not 100% on what he means by slag. Its either a slang term for DMT, a slang term like schwag for shitty DMT w/ impurities, or the impurities themselves.
Recrystallization: Lord Masrsofold says: 125ml of naphtha per gram of DMT for recrystallization.
Do not heat a DMT solution directly.
Put a 1/2 pint jar on a lid band in a skillet & fill skillet up to a couple inches below the rim with water (assuming it doesn't go over halfway up your jar, otherwise stop here).
Turn heat on medium-high and put about 150ml of naphtha into the jar. Let sit in hot water-bath until naphtha is hot.
Take 1 gram DMT crystals and put into a 1/2 pint mason jar. Add 125ml of hot naphtha slowly while stirring.
Cap jar and shake to dissolve crystals.
Tilt jar sideways and look for puddle of yellow oil under the naphtha on the bottom corner. Use eyedropper or turkey baster to reach in and remove this layer from the bottom.
Put in freezer for re-crystallization. Or fridge first, then freezer, if you choose to do so (builds crystals).
Repeat 2-3 times as nesc, even w/o the presence of yellow puddle
Tip: Put container in fridge for 3 hours, then in freezer for 3 hours, then in fridge for 3 hours, then in freezer 3 hours... make sure it ends up in the freezer when you go to bed. The next day do the same thing again, 3 and 3. You can continue to do this for a few days and it should grow some bigger clumps of crystals.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6679538 - 03/17/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Freezer precipitation can happen within an hour or two. You can do it at this point, then when you are finished with everything, evap down your leftover naphtha till its supersaturated then put in the freezer for 3 days to pull out any extra.
What about warming the left over naptha up and pouring it back into the saved base solution (where the NaOH was added to acid solution). giving it a mix to pull out more goodies then reducing and freeze precipitating. It seems doing this a couple of times may help. Especially for the low tekies without the proper glassware (mainly a separatory funnel). I have no experience in this, but I am facinated by all the facination. Lovin you
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: mycelialmagic]
#6679634 - 03/17/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycelialmagic said: What about warming the left over naptha up and pouring it back into the saved base solution (where the NaOH was added to acid solution).
This would not cause any direct harm, however, mixing it back in with the base solution will contaminate it with more impurities then it already has, making it harder to precipitate out the really pure stuff. This is why each pull should be kept separate.
Also, the freeze precipitation is so effective b/c the DMT crystals crash out of the solution while the contaminants remain dissolved. Adding this solution BACK to the mix will just be adding back all the un-needed contaminants to the main solution thus making your subsequent pulls more oily + impure. Especially since the majority of the DMT is already crashed out.
The best way would be to save your Naphtha after you run it through the coffee filter, then put it in 1 cup Pyrex and put that in front of a fan. The Pyrex cup has measurements on it, so you can evaporate down until its about 50ml or less, just a little little bit. You can then put this back in the freezer for 2-3 days, strain through coffee filter, then discard the naphtha.
You can also just evaporate down this left over naphtha in a small Pyrex glass baking pan until there is none left. You will likely be left with SOME crystals and and oily residue, but commonly there is just an oily residue. You can also try adding all the leftover naphtha from all the pulls and evaporating that together in a dish. 
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6679845 - 03/17/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heres some pics that might help.
1-Gallon Glass Jugs (Organic Apple juice mmmmm):

Good ole' Roebic brand Lye:

Solvent separation on heat bath (Jug on lid bands, jug cap loose!):

Pyrex 4-cup on bands in heat-bath. Decent for reducing naphtha (just a fan is optimal, as heat can damage alkaloids):

Reducing\Evaporating Solvent (use an identical but way smaller dish for DMT extractions):

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6690103 - 03/20/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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how do you guys measure out milligrams? is there an easy way to do it besides buying $200 scale?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6690134 - 03/20/07 12:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: how do you guys measure out milligrams? is there an easy way to do it besides buying $200 scale?
SWIM got theirs for $100 at the local smoke shop...
Start with about the mass of a pencil eraser, then work your way up from there.
Take a normal scale and put something on it to get it workin (some kinda card will work) then put your DMT on there until it raised .2 then divide that in half. 100mg each. Divide again for 50mg.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6690270 - 03/20/07 01:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i thought about dividing too- first making a line like with coke. except that my starting point would've been 1g lol. so a mass of a pencil eracer is about 50mg? i'm about to start the extraction RIGHT now. wish me luck, man. you've been a lot of help.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6690550 - 03/20/07 05:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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which step is most crucial for pureness of the extraction? if it's the last step supersaturation, i may have an idea- salt water. the freezing point is lower so half-tubbing the pyrex in it would bring the temp even lower than what the freezer is offering.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6690635 - 03/20/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The seperation of naptha from lye is crucial for purity.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6690670 - 03/20/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: salt water.
Negative... use distilled. You don't want to risk salt ending up in the final product...
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6690681 - 03/20/07 07:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bloody good thread guys!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: _OttO_]
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I second that! Bravo!
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hey guys, i got some extracted off of 250g now. just got done washing it with ammonia. the shit was white as rice! ...some spots are yellow cuz i know i messed up on seperation. the questions i have now are- when i was washing it in ammonia, some crystals wouldn't sink but float on top. is that normal? and when it's completely dry will i have a hard time scraping it off of the coffee filter? before the wash when it was dry, the things would just stick to my fingers like wax. overall, i think i got like 1/4 of a gram off of this pull. i can't believe this is happening. time to go buy a glass dick.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6693153 - 03/20/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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"My children time is running out. I can't hold back forever. Give yourself to me now & I will spare you. The GREATEST gift of all awaits for those who choose me now. Repent & be saved."
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Demotriton]
#6693201 - 03/20/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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n/m i just scraped them off the paper with my fingernails. time to get out of this planet.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6693736 - 03/20/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very nice. Congrats! Life will never be the same.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Feanor]
#6693880 - 03/21/07 12:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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my trip report in trip report section, guys. i justly titled it 'dmt bummer'... bummer indeed..
ok and also, i had a good chunk of crystals from my second pull that i attempted to recrystalize. heated up some naptha (300ml) and poured it on the crystals which it disolved, put it in the freezer after it had been cooled down to room temp.
that was 3 hours ago. i see no crystals yet. whats up with that? man, stupid nomans tek! (yes i am ungrateful) they forgot to put '-' between 20 and 30 ml while recommanding the ammount of naptha needed for recrystalization! i read it as 2030 ml! which i thought was a whole lot and just adding 300ml or so would be a good amount. jeezus. whats gonna happen to all my crystals?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6694474 - 03/21/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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in theory if you evaporate the hell out of the naptha you may be able to salvage some elf-spice, seems like your only option. I don't think the Noman tek is a great source, the marsofold tek is much better, but thats just IMO.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6697386 - 03/21/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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after recrystalization do you have to wash it in ammonia?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6697784 - 03/22/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: after recrystalization do you have to wash it in ammonia?
Not necessarily, especially if its already white. Re-crystallization does provide it with pretty good washing however if the smoke seems abnormally harsh you may want to try an ammonia wash too.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
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Most of the purpose of recrystallization is to force the chemical into its crystal form by varying temperatures and just the right amount of naptha. Done successfully you'll see clumps of fine little needle-like shards of goodness protruding in various places from the glass, very beautiful. By doing this you effectively separate it from the stuff you don't want very well, the difference is noticeable and is now a step I will not go without. The smell is a lot thicker and more like fresh plastic and it seems to, for me anyway, reduce the amount needed in my lungs to breakthrough down a hit or two. So less tokes to get where I'm going. Our first extraction was something akin to an off white/yellow waxy powder, second extraction was fine white crystalline powder and third was recrystallized to fine translucent crystals. Far cooler looking and nicer to smoke, kinda feels like the stuff deserves to be in crystal form.
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You mentioned the ammonia wash, if you decide to do this step you must remember to chill the ammonia, like in the freezer for 30 mins before putting it anywhere near the DMT, from what I recall the ammonia needs to be cold to reduce the amount of dmt it will absorb. Higher temperatures = loss of yield.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6700065 - 03/22/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah that 250g bark was a trial run and i still got about 1/3 a gram off of the whole thing! now that i feel like i got all the basics down i cant wait for the 1lb to arrive!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6700130 - 03/22/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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As im sure you've noticed, kilos are the way to go for pricing...
Also, try ordering from a new vendor each time. The potency CAN vary in MHRB and some vendors have higher alkaloids then others. Good luck!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6701065 - 03/22/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey sdp, i'm still having trouble measuring out 50mg. see i figure the easiest way to do is weight out .1g and divide that in half for 50mg, right? the thing is when i do that it comes out way smaller than pencil eraser sized volume. but then again my dmt isn't fluffy anymore after the recrystalization. it's more like cocaine density. but the thing that baffles me is that when i put on aspirin or something that's suppost to be 50mg, the scale tells me .3g. is that because the pillsi only state the amount of active ingredient which is 50mg? if i'm measuring my dmt right, oh man 50mg is TINY!
p.s. a pic would help tremendously. if you're iffy, send it to my messeges. thanks, mate.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6701289 - 03/22/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The eraser thing is more of a "start here and work your way up" kinda thing.
Edit: Click here for pics
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6701295 - 03/22/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol thanks man! like i said, tiny. how big is the circle? like a nickel?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6701304 - 03/22/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah, those razors are like 2 inches long. The circle is bigger then a half dollar.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6701356 - 03/22/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6701371 - 03/22/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Make sure you post or PM me some good trip report material 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6701512 - 03/22/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would this extraction work for Phalaris grass, assumming you wanted 5-MeO-DMT?
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jeverden said: Would this extraction work for Phalaris grass, assumming you wanted 5-MeO-DMT?
It certainly would! If you plan on doing it, remember that there's only 0.02% DMT in Phalaris, so your gunna need a HELL of alot. Also, it would be best to do around 3 defats after the acid water.
My Question: I am doing an extraction on some Acacia Phyllodes. I didn't defat them on account of being lazy, so now ask, when I do my solvent pulls, if I freeze precip them, will I get clean crystals? Remember this solvent will be very fatty. What I plan to do is freeze precip the fatty solvent, collect crystals that form, evap the rest of the solvent that doesn't crystallise and re-run the fatty goo from the evaporation through the a-b extraction again, this time defatting it. Would this work?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6702188 - 03/23/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: I am doing an extraction on some Acacia Phyllodes. I didn't defat them Would this work?
Not too familiar with Acacia extractions... however I have read a LITTLE about it and from what I undestand you need to defat it. Don't take my word for it though. I will try to find the soure I read and post it later.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6702810 - 03/23/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Itsamemario, Your biggest concern for the DMT will be underdosing so it might be better to add what you think is 50mg and then add a little more, the worst that can happen is you break through early and leave a little smoke in the bowl. And for all that effort why let yourself fall short?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6703718 - 03/23/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey sdp, any coin pics yet? i still haven't dosed since i cant measure this right.need coin pic..
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6703866 - 03/23/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Someone sent this to me sayin that it's 50mg in the little line above the quarter:
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-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6703900 - 03/23/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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haha sdp youre my hero. dmt molecular hero. if you ever end up in LA you can sleep in my bed and fuck my sister.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6703912 - 03/23/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I may be cruisin LA sometime in the future. Keep in touch
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6705911 - 03/24/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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how well do you have to shake up the naptha for norman's tek? i think i only did it for about 2-3 minutes for both jugs and have gotten piss poor amount of crystals for my first pull off of 1lb mimosa! very dissapointed. arg!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6705969 - 03/24/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: how well do you have to shake up the naptha for norman's tek? i think i only did it for about 2-3 minutes for both jugs and have gotten piss poor amount of crystals for my first pull off of 1lb mimosa! very dissapointed. arg!
No shaking, creates emulsion layer, turn the jug back and forth gently but completely for about 5 minutes or so.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6705971 - 03/24/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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what does the emulsion layer do? also, ive been reading up on 'best source for mimosa' and MBJ keeps getting mentioned. where is that?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6705978 - 03/24/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: what does the emulsion layer do? also, ive been reading up on 'best source for mimosa' and MBJ keeps getting mentioned. where is that?
The emulsions layer is the fatty soapy layer inbetween your naphtha and your base solution... its the layer that you wait for to "Separate" each time you do a pull. You try to avoid this emulsion layer at all cost. NEVER shake the jug, always topple gently back and forth to avoid making it bubbly with emulsions. If you have a big emulsions layer this could account for a partial yield loss. As described earlier in the first couple of posts, you can make a safe heatbath w/ the jug to help dissolve emulsions. The part about the lid bands in the pressure cooker filled with water with the jug on top the bands, all on the stove. 
Thanks for the MJB recommendation! I've ordered some stuff from them, but never MHRB, i will DEFINITELY give it a try!
http://www.mjb-botanicals.com/
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6706255 - 03/24/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6706321 - 03/24/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just skimmed the extraction method (I have read DMT extractions before) and got an idea...
in the final step where you freeze/crystalize the DMT... say if you had a pretty sizeable DMT crystal already... and strung said crystal in the DMT/Naptha solution while it is in the freezer just before any crystals precipitate... would the crystals form on the old DMT crystal?
I'm thinking back to a HighSchool Chemistry class where we did something like that with a supersaturated Sugar solution.
I suppose that this wouldn't be the best way to have DMT crystals to consume... but to get a huge ass crystal like they have on erowid...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6706678 - 03/24/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.
Yea I've already talked about it twice... you just take the jug w/ your base + naphtha + emulsions, put it on top of some lid bands in a pressure cooker or big pot, fill the pot up most of the way with water, LOOSEN JUG CAP, turn heat on medium-high, wait for emulsions to separate. If you look at the string of pics I posted you will get an idea of what to do.
The trick is to make sure you gently tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Don't shake, don't tilt it back and forth fast... no need to, just back and forth slowly. By back and forth I mean a whole range from right-side-up to up-side-down, all slowly. About 2-3 seconds for a complete tilt cycle. Continue for 5 minutes. Then separate or heat bath as needed.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shnoob]
#6706705 - 03/24/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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shnoob said: say if you had a pretty sizeable DMT crystal already... and strung said crystal in the DMT/Naptha solution while it is in the freezer just before any crystals precipitate... would the crystals form on the old DMT crystal?
The crystals do form on old crystals, but I don't know if it will on a string. Worth a shot, eh? Take some pics if it successful.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6706778 - 03/24/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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"seeding" crystals before freeze precipitation or recrystallization apparently works quite well, done enough times you'd get one of those nice crystals on erowid.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6707172 - 03/24/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.
Yea I've already talked about it twice... you just take the jug w/ your base + naphtha + emulsions, put it on top of some lid bands in a pressure cooker or big pot, fill the pot up most of the way with water, LOOSEN JUG CAP, turn heat on medium-high, wait for emulsions to separate. If you look at the string of pics I posted you will get an idea of what to do.
The trick is to make sure you gently tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Don't shake, don't tilt it back and forth fast... no need to, just back and forth slowly. By back and forth I mean a whole range from right-side-up to up-side-down, all slowly. About 2-3 seconds for a complete tilt cycle. Continue for 5 minutes. Then separate or heat bath as needed.
Ok cool thanks. Does the hot-bath also help to suck up extra goodies? I thought I remember reading if the solvent is warm it will suck up more alkaloids, I dunno?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6707242 - 03/24/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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If the solvent is warm it may suck up more goodies...
...but the whole point of the heathbath is to dissolve emulsions, AFTER mixing... so no unless you plan to heatbath, tilt jug back and forth to mix again, then heatbath AGAIN to separate.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6707404 - 03/24/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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can you vape the dmt? i still havent gotten the smoking technique right and already went thru like 300mg. no breakthru yet. cant get past the aweful taste and feeling in my lungs. i have a vapordoc tho. wonder how that would work...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6707738 - 03/24/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah you can vape it, you mean like in a methpipe thing.. i heard it makes the smoke alot worse and tastes awful. what method are you trying? i am going to attempt smoking some spice tonight for my first time, any tips? i will sandwhich it between some herbs or something so the flame cant touch the dmt, is this what youre doing, what problems are you experiencing?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6708122 - 03/25/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i meant vaporizer like volcano. i think i got the hang of the smoking technique it's just the dmt itself. it taste sooo fuckin horrible. definitly not a recreational drug. far from it, dude... far and away from it..
hey, if you do the herb thing with weed, would you be feeling the high when youre coming down from dmt? that would be sweet.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6708652 - 03/25/07 05:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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It might sound weird but DMT and Weed don't go greatly together, you're much better appreciating them separately. My technique for break through is to get a nice long or twisted glass pipe and fill the bowl with ash, then a dose slightly more than I know I need of DMT and then more ash on top completely covering the spice, that way you can flick the flame into the bowl with minimal loss and it will heat and melt just as well, plus the ash absorbs the leftover spice meaning its usually good for another hit on its own. According to McKenna one needs leather lungs for DMT, which is true but if you smoke A LOT you won't notice it as much. I can't breakthrough from vaporising, i only get threshold trips. I have heard and would be interested myself in seeing whether or not the Volcanos were good for DMT, a few people report good things on them.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
#6710494 - 03/25/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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whats the difference between a threshold dose and a breakthrouhg?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6710740 - 03/25/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: whats the difference between a threshold dose and a breakthrouhg?
If you can't tell if your eyes are open or closed, you've broken through. If the visuals take over so much that all signs of the room + ppl + place your in are no longer recognizable or familiar, you've broken through. Roughly. Anything threshold just feels like trippin real hard.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6711198 - 03/25/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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back to extraction question- what happens to lye after recrystalization? i recrystalized my first pull and it left a white film on the bottom of the pyrex which required a hard scraping to get it off. it came off looking like dmt but not sure since from what i know they should only crystalize- not make a flat film like it did. or am i wrong?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6711510 - 03/25/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i read this is some ways to test for naoh on your product, hope it helps:
1) what did the extract look like; the crystal shape indicates purity; look for long clear 'blades' . Lye disrupts crystals from forming nice and organized, so you get 'cob-web' like crystal growth...
2) taste the extract on your tongue; it's bitter when pure dmt, but really acrid when lye is in there ... but you'd have to do a side-by-side comparison to know pure-dmt 'taste' from impure.
3) There is an easy way to test for lye on your endproduct, put a little DMT on the point of a knife and then put a torch flame (blue) on it. If it becomes yellow for a fraction of a second, there is lye in the product. If it stays blue, its clean.
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i had a dream where i just did a few pulls on my bark and evapped the shellite down. then i put it into a glass jar into the freezer. little white... blob, sort of things were forming, i wondered if it was elf spice? then i woke up.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6711728 - 03/26/07 12:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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SWIM is pretty pleased. He think's he's got a small amount of DMT forming now, he was eptecting none.



The jar has been in the freezer for around 4 hours and those crystals are already forming. SWIM wonders if they are DMT?? He hopes so! The amound of solvent in the jar is so small, because he evapped the shellite down as much as he could before freeze precipitating it. If those crystals are DMT, he guesses it's around 50mg? He is not good at eyeballing. Well it looks to SWIM he will at least get a taste of DMT! He plans to leave it in the freezer overnight and filter out the crystals and smoke tomorrow morning. Wish him luck!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6711962 - 03/26/07 02:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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good luck, dude. like my daddy said, if you want something done do it yourself!... how do you prevent lye from getting in naptha in first place? from your description it looks likke ive beeen getting lye all the time in my extraction cuz my crystals have been nothing but snow globes.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6712002 - 03/26/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Snowglobes like this?
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7967/dsc0035gu9.jpg
Someone just toldm SWIM that leaving it in the freezer for 2 or 3 days will cause more crystals to precipitate.
About the lye, I was under the conception lye isn't soluble in naptha. I have no idea whether my procuct contains less lye or more than yours...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6712009 - 03/26/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah snowglobes exactly like that. i've been told that the ammonia wash does the trick. i also read something about activated carbon wash. wonder if that soaks up lye. do you know if carbon's suppost to soak up lye chemicals?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6712028 - 03/26/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is my first time with any kind of extraction i intend to preform this within the next two weeks as long as i follow the tek should it all work out? i dont have a wine jug or a crockpot so i dont know what im going to do are they necessary?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: flamebolt]
#6712068 - 03/26/07 05:40 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: yeah snowglobes exactly like that. i've been told that the ammonia wash does the trick. i also read something about activated carbon wash. wonder if that soaks up lye. do you know if carbon's suppost to soak up lye chemicals?
i don't know about carbons; but yeah ammonia is best for washing out lye. im worrying the crystals in SWIMS pictures arent DMT, everyone's elses crystals look so much different. ahh well, only one way to find out. also, do you know how to eyeball 50mg? what can I compare it to?
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flamebolt said: this is my first time with any kind of extraction i intend to preform this within the next two weeks as long as i follow the tek should it all work out? i dont have a wine jug or a crockpot so i dont know what im going to do are they necessary?
no you just improvise. for acidifying you can boil it on a stove or something if you want in some sort of pot. you dont even need to boil if you cant, it just makes things quicker. you can always let the bark sit in an acid water jar for a few days, shaking everynow then. you can use any kind of bottles or jars you want, just make sure they are either glass, stainless steel or ceramic. using stuff like plastic contaminates the mixture.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6712118 - 03/26/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: also, do you know how to eyeball 50mg? what can I compare it to?
Theres already been a picture taken of 50mg next to a quarter.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6703866#Post6703866
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6712134 - 03/26/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Geez, Sorry! I can't beleive I missed that! What's the diameter of a qaurter in centimetres? Sorry I'm from Australia >.<
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6712144 - 03/26/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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retrospect said: Geez, Sorry! I can't beleive I missed that! What's the diameter of a qaurter in centimetres? Sorry I'm from Australia >.<
It's ok, it's easy to miss in a 10 page thread 
The razor in the pic is about 2 inches across... the quarter is 24.26mm or 0.955 inches. 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6712150 - 03/26/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah sorry I just read through the whole thread the other day though, you think that'd stick out considering I don't have scales. Anyway thanks alot man, bvery helpful.
When separating solvent from the black base water using a plastic baggy, I found cutting a big hole made the black water go out much quicker, but made it much harder to stop the solvent running out in time, thus I lost some solvent. Cutting a small hole in order to stop the solvent easier in time meant I had to wait for ages for the black water to drain out. I found leaving a bit of black water in the baggy before the solvent helped me not waste any. Sure when I put the solvent into a jar, there was still a tiny layer of black water at the bottom, but I then re-ran the spearated solvent through a plastic baggy, this time cutting a tiny whole so it came out in drips, but there was only a tiny amount of black water so I only had to wait a few seconds. If you understand what I'm saying, it makes the separation much easier. Unless of course you have a separatory funnel.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6712409 - 03/26/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread is very helpfull. Now I just can't wait to try my own extraction
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: MadSeason]
#6713964 - 03/26/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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what kind of baggy are you using? doesnt the naptha melt the plastic to some degree? i was scraping the crystals with a plastic spoon in the beginning and noticed that the spoon would get a bit soft. so i left a piece of plastic in naptha and overnight it dissolved to half size the next morning.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6714060 - 03/26/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow i didnt know the npatha was that strong.
just a normal baggy like this:
http://filipinodentist.com/sun/picsinbag.jpg
the shellite wasnt in there for longer than 2 mins. i hope the plastic didn't dissolve into it. i didnt notice and change in the baggy when id used it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6714626 - 03/26/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i just ordered a pound too...can't wait to try it. it'll be my first time. i am SO looking forward to it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: figment]
#6715588 - 03/27/07 03:39 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont want to get busted for ordering MHRB i plan on ordering a lb off ebay. im in the US, should I be concerned?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: flamebolt]
#6715769 - 03/27/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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flamebolt said: i dont want to get busted for ordering MHRB i plan on ordering a lb off ebay. im in the US, should I be concerned?
Negative... I wouldn't start to worry until you've ordered many many lbs consecutively, with a dozen kilos of cactus skin incense, a 500 pack of spores, 200 substrate jars, 25 four-foot stock bags of vermiculite, 4 1000watt HPS lights, 6 pressure cookers and some mail-order pre-teens... all on your credit card shipped to the location of your 30 plant weed op with your 15 tubs and 9 marthas...
As of now MHRB is legal... and anything besides many multiple large orders placed back to back to back, I'd imagine, would not cause any attention. Bigger fish, small frying pan...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6715780 - 03/27/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Retro:
I would avoid using any baggies in the future. The only plastics you should allow to come into contact with any solvent should be #2 recyclables.(milk jugs, Sunny D) Even those big 5gal ionized water jugs you buy from the store are unsafe as most of them are type 7.
I almost had a mescaline extraction go terribly wrong when one of those split down the side.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: flamebolt]
#6717010 - 03/27/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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E-bay is a fine source for mhrb I have ordered several lbs off there over the past several years. I have always had great success on e-bay in that the quality was good from the vendor I deal with and the service was very prompt. The delivery was always by usps or ups and not by uscs (customs)/dea. lol.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6723535 - 03/29/07 07:29 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi whats the best website for dmt extraction techniques from acacia. thanks.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: rambo180]
#6726421 - 03/29/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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woot this ebay vendor shipped my mimosa out late last time and said would make up for it the next time i ordered from them. and sure enough, this time she sent me 2 kilos instead of one! ...(stuff must be pretty freakin cheap for her to be able to do that)
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6735178 - 04/01/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yo does one HAVE to have a glass turkey baster to suck the naptha out of the extraction instead of just a regular plastic one?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: dcstar500]
#6735362 - 04/01/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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dcstar500 said: Yo does one HAVE to have a glass turkey baster to suck the naptha out of the extraction instead of just a regular plastic one?
Discussed earlier in this same thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6677179#Post6677179
Plastic works fine.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6751792 - 04/05/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone know if this stuff is pure Sodium Hydroxide (Lye)?
http://www.thriftmarketing.com/how_to_use_thrift.htm

It says on the back "Contains Sodium Hydroxide.
Do they mean the container contains nothing but Sodium Hydroxide (Lye), or that the dry pellet formula they have in there is a mixture that just happens to have Sodium Hydroxide in it?
It looks like greyish thick flakes.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6752230 - 04/05/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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i suggest emailing the comopany and asking what are the ingredients
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6755903 - 04/06/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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my friend just got back to me from smoking 50mg of my extracts. he says he only got a body buzz and blurred vision. he mixed the dmt with equal amount of herb- not sandwich- and says he let out the smoke as soon as he inhailed it -not holding it in. i wonder if those mistakes were enough to fuck up a trip or was my extract just weak?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6755915 - 04/06/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds like it could be a little of both
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6755964 - 04/06/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does this make NN or 5meo?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6755970 - 04/06/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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depends on what your extracting from
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756000 - 04/06/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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how could i have gotten a weak extraction? i use norman's tek down to the last word and been using inner bark powder that's really pink.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6756017 - 04/06/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6756114 - 04/06/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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mimosa is mostly nndmt which is what it is extracted for. What is the color of your extraction mario
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756145 - 04/06/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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pretty pure white- i recrytalize once for my first pull, 2 for my second 3 for my third pull.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6756175 - 04/06/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good. from reading this thread...NN is the more favored variety.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6756190 - 04/06/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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he has to be smoking it wrong. Id sandwich it with some parsley and try it yourself.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756214 - 04/06/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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is there any other way to test it? the burning characteristics? taste? i don't wanna smoke anymore dmt for a while- i smoked over 300mg the first week i made it- it was with an oiler and sure enough failed every time. got only as far as a strong acid trip.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6756233 - 04/06/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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not that i know of but some reassurance, i to have tried to freebase dmt a few times and have got no farther than you. then i tried sandwich method and it knocked me onto my ass.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756273 - 04/06/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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one more thing- i have jugs of mimosa/Na solution thats been sitting there for three weeks after the third extraction. should i just dump it or do one more extraction?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6756436 - 04/07/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you have naphtha solution that has been previously used it is said to do a much better job if reused in future extractions
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756501 - 04/07/07 01:30 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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no i meant the sodium hydroxide/mimosa solution. should i do another extraction on it? and i would think the naptha does a better job indeed because theres alkaloids from the previous extraction so the yeild would be higher.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6756575 - 04/07/07 01:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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if u got the time u could try another pull and see if anything comes out. I don't see why not, although you might want to add more basewater to heat it up and help sort that naphtha.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6756701 - 04/07/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quick question: When using the crockpot in Marsofolds tek, do you put the lid on or leave it off?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: dcstar500]
#6756788 - 04/07/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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dear god, leave it off your trying to evaporate the stuff.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: dcstar500]
#6756992 - 04/07/07 07:37 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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dcstar500 said: Quick question: When using the crockpot in Marsofolds tek, do you put the lid on or leave it off?
I think maybe he mis-understood you...
You should leave it on, your not trying to evaporate, your trying to maintain the liquid so it extracts alkaloids from the MHRB. Leave the lid on and let it simmer in here. Leaving the cap off can burn your MHRB, and in the end, just make a less efficient more condensed juice in which you will re-add the lost water later on in the extraction (when you add the juice + naphtha to the jug, then fill the rest of the way up with water). Too thick a solution extract also makes it difficult to decant. Leave the cap on, let the juices extract.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6757736 - 04/07/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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ahhh i never read/done marsofold tek. The tek i used had the crock pot to reduce the solvent
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6757887 - 04/07/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where do you guys suggest I purchase mimosa bark? I heard the DEA just took down some sites...even though the plant is not illegal.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6768389 - 04/10/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK one thing I dont get...the tek says to use a 1 gallon wine jug. I don't see how that will work because we start off with 4 liters (essentialy 1 gallon) of a water/vinager solution, and then we must add a pint of warm water, lye, naptha, and more water. How does that all fit into a one gallon wine jug???
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: TheBulb2005]
#6768588 - 04/10/07 02:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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for gods sake you dont have to follow the teks every last detail. the obvious solution would be to put it into another/bigger jar geez that was hard to work out.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6768711 - 04/10/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, my advise to you is- just do it. youll figure out everything along the way. and even if you fuck up, and with these teks thats pretty hard to- youll still come out with some shit.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: TheBulb2005]
#6768854 - 04/10/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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TheBulb2005 said: OK one thing I dont get...the tek says to use a 1 gallon wine jug. I don't see how that will work because we start off with 4 liters (essentialy 1 gallon) of a water/vinager solution
I know the logistics of it sound a little bit funky, but it works. During the looong simmer phase of the MHRB + acid water some of the water evaps off (even with the slowcooker lid on) and a lot of it stays absorbed in the bark itself (even after a good squeeze). It typically evens out to where you have JUST enough room in the glass jug to add just enough naphtha. In case a little more evaps then expected Marsofold added the bit about "add more water to fill up to the top of the jug" but this isn't always necessary. Good luck man! Marsofold Tek is like following a recipe for baking a cake. To someone who isn't a chef, it may not make sense at first, but after your first few tasty pies it suddenly starts to fall into place. 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6769053 - 04/10/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Finished my extraction on Saturday. Compared to a mescaline extraction it was much easier. Instead of 6 or 7 pulls, I got everything (mostly everything I assume) from one pull of naptha. By one pull I mean 3 quick ones 10 minutes apart.
I used marsofold's tek, filtered out the bark, added lye-water to a PH of 13.4, measured with my new $25 digital meter. Had 750ml of naptha in jars in a hot water bath until the naptha was almost scalding hot. First pull was about 300ml-shaken-separated and removed w/ turkey baster. 2nd pull of about 250, 3d 200ml; all 10 minutes apart. Placed in 3 casserole dishes and put in freezer.
The first pull from 1 pound of bark yielded roughly 3g of white spice, the 2nd yielded 1.1g of pointy, clear crystals all growing in clusters. 3d yielded nothing.
This is the end-all, be-all of substances. Nothing touches it.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6769987 - 04/10/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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So who's gonna be the brave soul to sandwich some DMT inbetween some potent salvia extract? Come on, someones gotta... my bet is on Figment.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6770002 - 04/10/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill do it
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6770034 - 04/10/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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F1234K said: Ill do it
Doooooo it...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6770037 - 04/10/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just need the DMT...my mimosa should arrive in 2 weeks...1 kilo...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6770579 - 04/10/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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when using the 'sandwich method' of smoking, do you suck the flame down into the bowl to directly burn the DMT or does it matter?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Jdub123]
#6770603 - 04/10/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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you want to cherry the upper layer, slightly sucking IME.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Jdub123]
#6772332 - 04/10/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jdub123 said: when using the 'sandwich method' of smoking, do you suck the flame down into the bowl to directly burn the DMT or does it matter?
I use ash....pull lightly first hit, flame not quite touching ash. Second hit pull flame gently into ash, take a long hit, and hold it. That usually does it for me, I find the third hit to nervous/frantic...prefer to let-go/take-off smoothly with what I get from the first two...usually plenty intense anyways.
Breakthough consisttently and easily with this method...I have a very low tolerance for dmt (lucky!)
If your outdoors use a zippo lighter, ez to keep lit, in fact, I prefer a zippo period. Also I like a toilet paper tube "stream-roller" pipe (good draw).
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: CandyLand]
#6772782 - 04/10/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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have a glass pipe to sanwhich. have dmt in between layer of ash and herb. dont torch top layer at first, hold fe cm away and watch the dmt melt in the glass cone while sucking in lightly. then once its melted into the ash lightly torch the herb and take your first hit.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6772976 - 04/10/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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okay so if using the sandwich method, does it really matter whether you use ash or some kind of plant material or mixed as retrospect suggested? or is it just based on preference? advantages/disadvantages?
RETROSPECT: in what order do you layer the herb/dmt/ash?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Jdub123]
#6777489 - 04/11/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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freebaseing is way easer. worth the investment
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: notapillow]
#6777668 - 04/12/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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freebasing sucks. the smoke is so harsh you can barely even get a lungful in.
jdub, its best to have ash on the bottom. because ash crumbles, youll have a layer of almost sand like substance on the bottom. if you used herb on the bottom itd be real rough and easy for dmt to melt thru the cracks. herb on the top of the ash and dmt so that you can torch it a lil. ash wont really torch and the herb will burn better.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6778929 - 04/12/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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alright thanks guys =]
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Jdub123]
#6778958 - 04/12/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The whole key to free-basing anything whether it be meth, dmt, crack...is to suck as slow as you can while still creating a force. also very little flame once it starts going.
If you suck really slow you can get a huge hit of dmt and one hit will rock your parallel-universe.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Ransford]
#6779199 - 04/12/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been smoking on top of ash and under some weed but I still feel like a lot is going to waste.
Does anyone know of a site that sells nice DMT pipes? I want something a little more flamboyant than just a straight meth pipe.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6779322 - 04/12/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6786613 - 04/14/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just followed everything lastnight.
And now...
I have a Pyrex dish chuck full with a thick layer of crystal ready to be cleaned and loaded.
Used 1lb. of Mimosa Hostilis that was purchased from a decently reliable source.So, everything seemed to go well lastnight on my first time extracted DMT.
One thing I did notice however is the ease of use of a Digital Ph meter. Really, I don't think anyone should go without, as it's fairly easy and cheap to pick one up from one of our sponsors.
http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DPHM01
^^ I use the same exact one, and if it wasn't for that, I probably would have never known that my Ph had to be adjusted to 13 from 11.70-12.80 (Even with using the TEK to the exact). Everything looked great. The solution looked great, and the Naptha separated really quickly producing a high quality looking extraction.
Will post yield shortly.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6786650 - 04/14/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is the most informative thread
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Hmm, I dont get it.
I went from this at room temp.:

To this goo once I placed it from that coffee filter into a vaccutainer.

Ive read that it can melt in the pocket, but geeze. Will it recrystalize if thrown in the freezer?
Oh and I ended up with over 2g from the first pull.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6787308 - 04/14/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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More pics for your viewing pleasure.



I *Think* its recrystallizing now that its been in the freezer for a bit (Turning white again).
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6787424 - 04/14/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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If it goes back to goo it might just have water in it still(condensation) and hasn't been able to dry all the way.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Salvia_Antics]
#6787436 - 04/14/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm, I guess i'll have to try and scoop it back out to dry. Smaller particles on the sides stay solid and crystalline. It's just the condensed part thats acting up.
Here it is mostly frozen:
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6788375 - 04/14/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here I am again.
All day now ive been evaping the little bit of water, and now when it freezes, it just freezes solid.

I just don't understand how it was fine and crystalline at one point, and not the other. It just decided to turn into this goo when I put it in the vaccutainer. Most of the water if not all is finally evaped, so ive no idea. Can I scrape whatever this is and weigh it out to smoke? It's no different now in chemical make-up than it was when i t was a solid, so I assume I can...?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6788533 - 04/14/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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have you tried giving it a wash and letting it recrystalize
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6788570 - 04/14/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Been thinking about doing it tonight.
It just blows, that huge pile is being dwindled away..
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6788926 - 04/14/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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spire try recrystallisation on your goo with some of your solvent. a friend got yucky goo and when he recrystallise he got some nice crystals.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6789149 - 04/14/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6833791 - 04/25/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is THE most informative thread i've seen here yet
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: myndreach]
#6834651 - 04/25/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wait...what?
"Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container. Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again."
If afoaf puts 1 gallon of liquid in the crockpot, cook 2 hours, pour out 1 gallon, then "add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again"??? If afoaf puts 1 gallon in, pour 1 gallon out, what is there going to be that remains?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: myndreach]
#6834680 - 04/25/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The crockpot won't hold the whole gallon of liquid plus the pound of bark. I use half the gallon, simmer for a couple hours, then pour half of whats left, simmer, then pour the rest for the final 2 hour simmer.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: muistrue]
#6834784 - 04/25/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks.
I've been looking all over (online cooking stores, ebay, etc.) and cannot find freaking a glass turkey baster that isn't from the 40s, or suitable 1 gallon glass wine jug, or a 1 gallon wide-mouthed glass jar... :-?
Any help is appreciated!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: myndreach]
#6834819 - 04/25/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can use any baster, just make sure to expell the solvent quickly. The gallon wine jug should be easy. Buy a gallon of cheap wine at any grocery or liquor store. For the gallon wide mouth jar I use a glass cookie jar that I found at target. As long as it will hold a gallon of liquid and the mouth is wide enough so you can pour the liquid from the crockpot into it without spilling you'll be good.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: muistrue]
#6835792 - 04/26/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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This guys said he can't find that vn&p naptha at ace. Is there another high quality naptha somewhere?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: muistrue]
#6835800 - 04/26/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't use glass!!!!!
Lye can easily etch through glass, especially in the high concentrations that we're using for this extraction. Granted, this isn't going to happen over night but there have been many horror stories of people doing mescaline extractions over the course of a week or two and having the bottoms fall out of their wine jugs when they go to move them.
The whole dmt extraction can be completed in a day, but you never know what kind of snags and hangups you might run into.
Bettter safe than sorry. Use gallon milk jugs or Sunny D bottles. They both have a nice tapered shape that makes siphoning off the non-polar layer a little easier. And they're cheaper than wine.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: myndreach]
#6835805 - 04/26/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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On another site, people have been telling me that odorless mineral spirits are actually a better solvent to use. That can be bought at any art supply store next to the oil paints.
Coleman camping fuel has also been used.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6835862 - 04/26/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#6861296 - 05/02/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: ok and also, i had a good chunk of crystals from my second pull that i attempted to recrystalize. heated up some naptha (300ml) and poured it on the crystals which it disolved, put it in the freezer after it had been cooled down to room temp.
that was 3 hours ago. i see no crystals yet. whats up with that? man, stupid nomans tek! (yes i am ungrateful) they forgot to put '-' between 20 and 30 ml while recommanding the ammount of naptha needed for recrystalization! i read it as 2030 ml! which i thought was a whole lot and just adding 300ml or so would be a good amount. jeezus. whats gonna happen to all my crystals?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6861769 - 05/02/07 05:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Brewmaster said: Don't use glass!!!!!
Lye can easily etch through glass, especially in the high concentrations that we're using for this extraction. Granted, this isn't going to happen over night but there have been many horror stories of people doing mescaline extractions over the course of a week or two and having the bottoms fall out of their wine jugs when they go to move them.
The whole dmt extraction can be completed in a day, but you never know what kind of snags and hangups you might run into.
Bettter safe than sorry. Use gallon milk jugs or Sunny D bottles. They both have a nice tapered shape that makes siphoning off the non-polar layer a little easier. And they're cheaper than wine.
Wow, that lye is nasty stuff. I was under the assumption milk bottles were classed as plastic? The last extraction I did, I just kept my liquid in the steel pot when I wasn't using it. How do you get the liquid from a pot into the tiny opening of a milk bottle anyways?
Yeah, Odorless Mineral Spirits, basically is Naptha, but much more refined. So alot more pure.
My Questions: -I'm going to attempt another extraction soon. And istead of doing a reckless and rushed one, I am going to slow down, make sure my time spent doing this is worth it.
-If I boil the bark in the acidified water for 2 hours, can I let it sit in the liquid for a few days afterwards? Will this increase yeild by any chance? Is it pointless? Is there any harm in doing it, it may be more convenient to boil one day, and basify another.
-Apprently a pH of 6 will get 99.9% of the DMT out of the bark, and going any lower, just pulls out extra gunk, making the DMT less pure or harder to defat. Anyone have any experience with this, can you say whether or not a pH of 6 changes the yeild at all compared to a pH of 2 or 3?
-Should the bark be strained off after it's been acidified? I got told once leaving it in until it's been basified can help increae yeild. But then again basifying a fatty bark is going to pull any extra gunk out.
-With freeze precipitating, is shellite alright with this? Should I evaporate my solvent down to half it's size before sticking it into the freezer or evaporate it down more? How much do I need to evaporate before putting it into the freezer in an air tight jar?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6861889 - 05/02/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, milk jugs are plastic. You should only use #2 HDPE plastics. That's the number inside the little recyclable triangle.
1. Don't let the boiled mimosa juice sit. Extract immediately! The hotter everything is, the better. Use hot naptha that's been sitting in a hot water bath, use hot mimosa juice and the lye water you mix up will also be warm from its own little, chemical reaction. All this contributes to the heat of the naptha which holds more DMT at higher temperatures.
2. Don't acidify. Use no acid. It is unnecesssary when working with imosa and will only cause you to use more base. DMT is easily extracted from mimosa using only cold water. No acids!
3. I don't know anything about shellite but using a jar to freeze precip. is not the easiest way to harvest the crystals. Why not use a baking/ casserole dish?......much easier.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6861891 - 05/02/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was under the assumption that Mineral Spirits were the same thing as paint thinner...?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6861892 - 05/02/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mineral spirits are a paint thinner but are used mainly to clean brushes. Naptha is a paint thinner.....so is xylene, xylol and toluene (if I'm not mistaken)
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6861954 - 05/02/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Brewmaster said: Yes, milk jugs are plastic. You should only use #2 HDPE plastics. That's the number inside the little recyclable triangle.
1. Don't let the boiled mimosa juice sit. Extract immediately! The hotter everything is, the better. Use hot naptha that's been sitting in a hot water bath, use hot mimosa juice and the lye water you mix up will also be warm from its own little, chemical reaction. All this contributes to the heat of the naptha which holds more DMT at higher temperatures.
2. Don't acidify. Use no acid. It is unnecesssary when working with imosa and will only cause you to use more base. DMT is easily extracted from mimosa using only cold water. No acids!
3. I don't know anything about shellite but using a jar to freeze precip. is not the easiest way to harvest the crystals. Why not use a baking/ casserole dish?......much easier.
I think you are opening this fellow up for some potential serious disappointment/difficulty here.
If you heat above 130 degrees or so, based on experiments done at the nexus (Lazy Man's Tek) you are risking pulling out a lot of the fats that are bound to the bark as well, as they begin to liquefy at this temp. It will come out with your pulls, resulting in a less clean product.
At 140 degrees, DMT will evaporate out with the solvent.
Heat to 120 or so, and you'll be better.
PS-- I've seen a glass gallon jar somewhere with 2 weeks of lye solution in it-- and it's perfectly new-looking.
It is FALSE from experience that glass is endangered with the levels (125g lye/ per liter) of concentration that are being worked with here.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: coAsTal]
#6862023 - 05/02/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lye does etch through glass and the concentration used in this extraction (PH 13) is close to saturation. I don't see why you would want to take that risk when a fucking jug of distilled water costs less than a dollar. Like I said, it's not going to happen over night but all glass is different. Just because you saw a wine jug sit for 2 weeks without the bottom falling out doesn't mean it's safe or a good idea.
I've done 4 extractions, all at 140 degrees or higher and have not yet ended up with anything other than clear to white crystals.
And you claim that at 140 degrees, that DMT is evaporating into the air? Why then, do so many people use crockpots and hot plates to evaporate the NPS down to a smaller amount before freeze precipitating? Why doesn't the DMT evaporate out at 120 or 139 degrees? And where does it go?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
#6862514 - 05/02/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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First off-- DON'T BE A FUCKING DICKHEAD
Secondly, I clearly stated where my information came from, the website AND the Tek, , and how to go look at it for yourself.
Did you bother?
I'm thrilled for you that your extractions worked well at high heat. I'm relaying what I have read elsewhere as a caution for this guy to learn from multiple sources and see what he thinks from there. But again: DON'T BE A FUCKING DICKHEAD
Third: a "fucking jug of distilled water " isn't what I used-- it was a gallon glass jar, it's been over 2 weeks exposed to the lye, and it is perfectly fine. Don't blow incorrect statements out of your ass and preach them as gospel because YOU don't think they work. Tell people what YOU have done/read, and leave it at that.
You're doing the exact same thing you accuse me of doing with temperatures: stating a variable as fact when there is clear evidence that you're wrong.
Except that I was only pointing this guy to another place to learn more and warning him--
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If you heat above 130 degrees or so, based on experiments done at the nexus (Lazy Man's Tek)
I qualified my statement very obviously.
You were stating your idea as fact.
Which it is not.
If you weren't flying off the handle and being an inappropriate dickhead, I could have told you I chose a glass jar because I wanted a solid, safe container that I could seal shut with a wide mouth opening. And it works exactly as I hoped it would.
And finally-- I didn't have any problem with you until you just opened your mouth and attacked me.
If you disagree, tell everyone why, like an adult--without being a dickhead and being hostile out of nowhere.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
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I'm going to attempt another extraction soon. And istead of doing a reckless and rushed one, I am going to slow down, make sure my time spent doing this is worth it.
Great idea. After mixing the naphtha with the basified solution, letting it separate for 12-24 hours for each pull is optimal although not necessary to get clean product. No rush, the DMT world will always be there. 
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If I boil the bark in the acidified water for 2 hours, can I let it sit in the liquid for a few days afterwards? Will this increase yield by any chance? Is it pointless? Is there any harm in doing it, it may be more convenient to boil one day, and basify another.
I personally wouldn't let it sit. After 3 acidic water extractions, you have gotten everything and letting it sit will pull out more undesirables. If you so desire, after your 3 acidic soakings, put some more acidic water in there and let it simmer in a slow cooker overnight and use that for an extraction. Keep it separate though b/c odds are it will be a lot more contaminated and will likely need several re-crystallizations + washings.
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Apprently a pH of 6 will get 99.9% of the DMT out of the bark, and going any lower, just pulls out extra gunk, making the DMT less pure or harder to defat. Anyone have any experience with this, can you say whether or not a pH of 6 changes the yeild at all compared to a pH of 2 or 3?
DMT will extract at a higher pH then 2-3 however it won't be efficient enough timewise, also, I would imagine a longer soak in less acidic water would give rise to more contaminants being pulled out. If you have a pH meter, i would go with with a pH of 2-4. Using the pre-set amounts of vinegar\water used here in the Marsofold tek works great though. The trick is to get all the DMT out chemically (via acid) as fast as possible (a couple 2 hour pulls) to avoid breaking down more of the bark and releasing the oils contained therein.
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Should the bark be strained off after it's been acidified? I got told once leaving it in until it's been basified can help increae yeild. But then again basifying a fatty bark is going to pull any extra gunk out.
You are right on. The acidic pull will get most of the alkaloids out of the bark. If your worried, try what I was saying earlier about doing an additional 12-24 hour acidic pull after your initial 2 hour pulls. This is also why the decanting phase is done. The more plant material you have in your basic solution, the more it will break everything down + mix it up, which is bad, because it will mix in all those extra oils with your spice.
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With freeze precipitating, is shellite alright with this? Should I evaporate my solvent down to half it's size before sticking it into the freezer or evaporate it down more? How much do I need to evaporate before putting it into the freezer in an air tight jar?
You want to evaporate your naphtha down to less then half its size (most likely). The goal is for it to be "super saturated" which means it is cloudy with alkaloids. Use a small glass pyrex measure cup and put your naphtha in there in front of a fan or just in anything in front of a fan. Reduce this down until super-saturated or even lower, like around 40-50ml. You can put this in a sealed mason jar and put this in the freezer to precipitate. Even easier to work with, you can get a SMALL pyrex baking dish (1 foot by 6 inches or so) and put it in there, cover it with cling wrap, then put that in the freezer. When ready, pour naphtha through coffee filter, collect crystals off of filter when dry, then wait for the naphtha on the dish to evap and scrape the rest off of there.
Good luck man!! School is ending soon, the summer of DMT is upon us! See you on the other side! 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6863502 - 05/02/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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A friend is re writing this tek with lots of updates from this thread and hopefully pictures!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6863521 - 05/02/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks SDP! Very Informative You guys should know I am using A. Obtus bark, not MHRB. Acacia bark is much, much fattier than MHRB. Unfortunately I have to go out and collect bark I cannot just have it sent to my door in Australia
All your information has helped me understand the Tek alot better and why it calls for some of the things it does. Thanks again, i'll let you guys know how it goes when I get around to getting my bark.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6863541 - 05/02/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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F1234K said: A friend is re writing this tek with lots of updates from this thread and hopefully pictures!
Surely your not gonna use my text and pictures in the tek, that would be just plain, plagiarism. 
If it is really a desired commodity, after this sem is over I can work on an extended marsofold document, or if you want to work on it together we could, or you can do your own too
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
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No we will use our own from a soon to be performed extraction.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
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F1234K said: No we will use our own from a soon to be performed extraction.
Sounds pretty cool, definitely post it up when yall are done. 
A good tek with some good pics is always good to have around.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6864365 - 05/02/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pics make teks 100% better. I find it helps a lot.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6872151 - 05/04/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, so how the hell do i turn this into powder?


i don't have a decent blender, what am i gonna do?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872177 - 05/04/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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coffee grinder works... i've been buying the pre-powdered bags much less hassle
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: jmg5]
#6872291 - 05/04/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read that another way may be to wet the bark in plain distilled water, and let it saturate until completely wet-- then drain, and freeze it in a freezer until frozen solid.
This should explode the cells within the bark, making extraction easier.
I read somewhere that extended lye solution soaking will turn bark in your current condition into mush after a few days anyway--
Either way, you'll still be successful-- noting that powdering the bark is still the best bet.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872413 - 05/04/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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cut it up into much smaller pieces with scissors length wise not width then freeze it, which will be easier on your blender, then put it into a coffee grinder. Its very tedious with larger extractions.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6872638 - 05/04/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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thx jmg, coastal and death. risked the wife's wrath and used our blender: very noisy, got a bit hot, extremely dusty (facemask was essential, even with oven extractor hood going) and ended up with purple dust everywhere and a bagful of dust/fibre. ran it all through the blender twice, to get it as small as possible:


ok, so now i need 'white vinegar'? what's that - clear vinegar, white wine vinegar, any suggestions, recommendations?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872764 - 05/04/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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White Vinegar is usually labeled as "White Vinegar" at the Grocery Store.
Then you'll need Naptha that you can pick up at Lowes or Home Depot.
Sodium Hydroxide (Lye) can also be found at lowes or Home Depot. Look in Plumbing Section.
Ammonia can be found at Wal-Mart, or the Grocery Store.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6873103 - 05/04/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ummmm.... i'm in England - we haven't got those shops here
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6873317 - 05/04/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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try any hardware store.. lye isn't exactly uncommon. Neither is ammonia.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: funknsoul]
#6875588 - 05/05/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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all true - i'm fine with the vinegar, sodium hydroxide and ammonia, more talking about the non-polar solvent.
i'm pretty new to extractions, but definitely heading in this direction. have only previously tried twice - one about 6 months ago using ethanol to extract psilocybin from mushroms (overall a success), the other about 8 years ago with morning glory seeds using a solvent apparently called petroleum ether obtained with difficulty from a chemicals company (and a total failure).
i've done my background reading. i know that ideally i want naphtha (in the US it seems you having the luxury of choosing between brands, in the UK there's none anywhere) but may also be able to use various alternatives: 'odorless mineral spirits' from art shops, 'coleman camping fuel', 'rubber cement thinner hexane' sold as Bestine in art shops, Ronsonol lighter fluid, dichloromethane....
i can't find any of it. help pls?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#7006015 - 06/04/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have two quick questions, im using a.obtus bark. is it ok to use bark ground up to 1-3cm peices, getting it to powder is so much more effort and will cost me $$
i have a little solvent in the freezer and a few white crystals floating around, they didnt stick to the edges of the glass ??? last time i filtered or tried to the crystals re-dissolved real wuick, what should i do? filter them while still in the freezer?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#7427117 - 09/19/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would like to start this tek soon but I'm going to use phalaris grass and I'm working on getting me lye.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
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ItsaMeMario said: lol wholesale meth pipe. i just gotta find the skinniest black dude on the street. how did you convince people to do it, btw? right now, i'm making burned 2 track cds. track 1 is Joe Rogan on DMT. track 2 is well, DMT- divine moments of truth by shpongle. i fear that joe is little too aggressive on the shit, tho. i already had one friend say nah, man, that shit sounds too strong for me. anybody have a smoother, more methodical intro of DMT on mp3?
Why dont you tell him its just like weed. That way, he knows hes ready for it and wigs out. Come on man. This isnt the drug for EVERYone, give it to the experienced trippers and those that want it..dont push it on someone who rejects it as too strong. They know their own limit.
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hightimesreader said: I would like to start this tek soon but I'm going to use phalaris grass and I'm working on getting me lye.
HTR
So, how did it turn out?
I got some Phalaris roots. How much is necessary for good amount? Digging those bitches up is nasty.
Is it even possible to extract good amounts of DMT from phalaris Australis roots?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Simms]
#9338062 - 11/30/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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what does "pulls" mean? is that putting new naptha in the same jug that you suctioned out the naptha already? do you just put in new naptha and mix for 5 min again, then suck that out and put in freezer? sorry, confused. Also anyone have little white floaties in the naptha after seperation? swim did, not alot but hes just a little concerned? he pulled that naptha out and got a bunch of white powder from it and he is recrystalizing it now. any info would be appreciated thanks.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Simms]
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Simms said:
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hightimesreader said: I would like to start this tek soon but I'm going to use phalaris grass and I'm working on getting me lye.
HTR
So, how did it turn out?
I got some Phalaris roots. How much is necessary for good amount? Digging those bitches up is nasty.
Is it even possible to extract good amounts of DMT from phalaris Australis roots?
Order some F'ing MHRB man. Phalris grass is like a tight pinch kinda deal and no extraction/sythesis should be done in a pinch..
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Hmm, I don't know if its legal here...
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#10827844 - 08/09/09 01:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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after you filter out the crystals from the first pull , just put the leftover naptha into a baking dish and evaporate. you will have a lot more dream shards in that leftover naptha 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#10828003 - 08/09/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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id definately go with terrence mckenna before joe rogan
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alright. im resurrecting this thread rather than start a new one. i have been seeing more recent threads full of people saying that the ammonia wash is the devil and opens up alot of problems. are they just having trouble cause they cant follow a damn tek? or is there a more up-to-date method of a final wash aside from just the recrystallization?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#15813328 - 02/15/12 12:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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as far as the wash stage is concerned, is ammonia necessary? could one simply have a higher yield of less pure? or can one use cold water to wash? i dont like the idea of smoking ammonia by accident. what can one do/know to help make this extraction as safe as possible?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: GrooveMachine]
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is using ammonia for the wash necessary? can one simply let the naptha evaporate and be done? can i simply use water? i am not to keen on smoking ammonia or naptha...or lye for that matter. thanks!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: GrooveMachine]
#15813548 - 02/15/12 01:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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is using ammonia for the wash necessary? can one simply let the naptha evaporate and be done? can i simply use water to wash? i am not to keen on smoking ammonia or naptha...or lye for that matter. thanks!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: GrooveMachine]
#15815294 - 02/15/12 07:27 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Go Here man
you'll find everything you need to know
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
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