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SDP
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
#6862588 - 05/02/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm going to attempt another extraction soon. And istead of doing a reckless and rushed one, I am going to slow down, make sure my time spent doing this is worth it.
Great idea. After mixing the naphtha with the basified solution, letting it separate for 12-24 hours for each pull is optimal although not necessary to get clean product. No rush, the DMT world will always be there. 
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If I boil the bark in the acidified water for 2 hours, can I let it sit in the liquid for a few days afterwards? Will this increase yield by any chance? Is it pointless? Is there any harm in doing it, it may be more convenient to boil one day, and basify another.
I personally wouldn't let it sit. After 3 acidic water extractions, you have gotten everything and letting it sit will pull out more undesirables. If you so desire, after your 3 acidic soakings, put some more acidic water in there and let it simmer in a slow cooker overnight and use that for an extraction. Keep it separate though b/c odds are it will be a lot more contaminated and will likely need several re-crystallizations + washings.
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Apprently a pH of 6 will get 99.9% of the DMT out of the bark, and going any lower, just pulls out extra gunk, making the DMT less pure or harder to defat. Anyone have any experience with this, can you say whether or not a pH of 6 changes the yeild at all compared to a pH of 2 or 3?
DMT will extract at a higher pH then 2-3 however it won't be efficient enough timewise, also, I would imagine a longer soak in less acidic water would give rise to more contaminants being pulled out. If you have a pH meter, i would go with with a pH of 2-4. Using the pre-set amounts of vinegar\water used here in the Marsofold tek works great though. The trick is to get all the DMT out chemically (via acid) as fast as possible (a couple 2 hour pulls) to avoid breaking down more of the bark and releasing the oils contained therein.
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Should the bark be strained off after it's been acidified? I got told once leaving it in until it's been basified can help increae yeild. But then again basifying a fatty bark is going to pull any extra gunk out.
You are right on. The acidic pull will get most of the alkaloids out of the bark. If your worried, try what I was saying earlier about doing an additional 12-24 hour acidic pull after your initial 2 hour pulls. This is also why the decanting phase is done. The more plant material you have in your basic solution, the more it will break everything down + mix it up, which is bad, because it will mix in all those extra oils with your spice.
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With freeze precipitating, is shellite alright with this? Should I evaporate my solvent down to half it's size before sticking it into the freezer or evaporate it down more? How much do I need to evaporate before putting it into the freezer in an air tight jar?
You want to evaporate your naphtha down to less then half its size (most likely). The goal is for it to be "super saturated" which means it is cloudy with alkaloids. Use a small glass pyrex measure cup and put your naphtha in there in front of a fan or just in anything in front of a fan. Reduce this down until super-saturated or even lower, like around 40-50ml. You can put this in a sealed mason jar and put this in the freezer to precipitate. Even easier to work with, you can get a SMALL pyrex baking dish (1 foot by 6 inches or so) and put it in there, cover it with cling wrap, then put that in the freezer. When ready, pour naphtha through coffee filter, collect crystals off of filter when dry, then wait for the naphtha on the dish to evap and scrape the rest off of there.
Good luck man!! School is ending soon, the summer of DMT is upon us! See you on the other side! 
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6863502 - 05/02/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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A friend is re writing this tek with lots of updates from this thread and hopefully pictures!
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6863521 - 05/02/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks SDP! Very Informative You guys should know I am using A. Obtus bark, not MHRB. Acacia bark is much, much fattier than MHRB. Unfortunately I have to go out and collect bark I cannot just have it sent to my door in Australia
All your information has helped me understand the Tek alot better and why it calls for some of the things it does. Thanks again, i'll let you guys know how it goes when I get around to getting my bark.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6863541 - 05/02/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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F1234K said: A friend is re writing this tek with lots of updates from this thread and hopefully pictures!
Surely your not gonna use my text and pictures in the tek, that would be just plain, plagiarism. 
If it is really a desired commodity, after this sem is over I can work on an extended marsofold document, or if you want to work on it together we could, or you can do your own too
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Edited by SDP (05/02/07 04:15 PM)
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6864339 - 05/02/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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No we will use our own from a soon to be performed extraction.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6864361 - 05/02/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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F1234K said: No we will use our own from a soon to be performed extraction.
Sounds pretty cool, definitely post it up when yall are done. 
A good tek with some good pics is always good to have around.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
#6864365 - 05/02/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pics make teks 100% better. I find it helps a lot.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: F1234K]
#6872151 - 05/04/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, so how the hell do i turn this into powder?


i don't have a decent blender, what am i gonna do?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872177 - 05/04/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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coffee grinder works... i've been buying the pre-powdered bags much less hassle
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: jmg5]
#6872291 - 05/04/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read that another way may be to wet the bark in plain distilled water, and let it saturate until completely wet-- then drain, and freeze it in a freezer until frozen solid.
This should explode the cells within the bark, making extraction easier.
I read somewhere that extended lye solution soaking will turn bark in your current condition into mush after a few days anyway--
Either way, you'll still be successful-- noting that powdering the bark is still the best bet.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872413 - 05/04/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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cut it up into much smaller pieces with scissors length wise not width then freeze it, which will be easier on your blender, then put it into a coffee grinder. Its very tedious with larger extractions.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: DeathCompany]
#6872638 - 05/04/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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thx jmg, coastal and death. risked the wife's wrath and used our blender: very noisy, got a bit hot, extremely dusty (facemask was essential, even with oven extractor hood going) and ended up with purple dust everywhere and a bagful of dust/fibre. ran it all through the blender twice, to get it as small as possible:


ok, so now i need 'white vinegar'? what's that - clear vinegar, white wine vinegar, any suggestions, recommendations?
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Edited by shirley knott (05/04/07 03:37 PM)
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6872764 - 05/04/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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White Vinegar is usually labeled as "White Vinegar" at the Grocery Store.
Then you'll need Naptha that you can pick up at Lowes or Home Depot.
Sodium Hydroxide (Lye) can also be found at lowes or Home Depot. Look in Plumbing Section.
Ammonia can be found at Wal-Mart, or the Grocery Store.
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shirley knott
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Spire]
#6873103 - 05/04/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ummmm.... i'm in England - we haven't got those shops here
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#6873317 - 05/04/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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try any hardware store.. lye isn't exactly uncommon. Neither is ammonia.
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: funknsoul]
#6875588 - 05/05/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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all true - i'm fine with the vinegar, sodium hydroxide and ammonia, more talking about the non-polar solvent.
i'm pretty new to extractions, but definitely heading in this direction. have only previously tried twice - one about 6 months ago using ethanol to extract psilocybin from mushroms (overall a success), the other about 8 years ago with morning glory seeds using a solvent apparently called petroleum ether obtained with difficulty from a chemicals company (and a total failure).
i've done my background reading. i know that ideally i want naphtha (in the US it seems you having the luxury of choosing between brands, in the UK there's none anywhere) but may also be able to use various alternatives: 'odorless mineral spirits' from art shops, 'coleman camping fuel', 'rubber cement thinner hexane' sold as Bestine in art shops, Ronsonol lighter fluid, dichloromethane....
i can't find any of it. help pls?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shirley knott]
#7006015 - 06/04/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have two quick questions, im using a.obtus bark. is it ok to use bark ground up to 1-3cm peices, getting it to powder is so much more effort and will cost me $$
i have a little solvent in the freezer and a few white crystals floating around, they didnt stick to the edges of the glass ??? last time i filtered or tried to the crystals re-dissolved real wuick, what should i do? filter them while still in the freezer?
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#7427117 - 09/19/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would like to start this tek soon but I'm going to use phalaris grass and I'm working on getting me lye.
HTR
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
#8148708 - 03/15/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ItsaMeMario said: lol wholesale meth pipe. i just gotta find the skinniest black dude on the street. how did you convince people to do it, btw? right now, i'm making burned 2 track cds. track 1 is Joe Rogan on DMT. track 2 is well, DMT- divine moments of truth by shpongle. i fear that joe is little too aggressive on the shit, tho. i already had one friend say nah, man, that shit sounds too strong for me. anybody have a smoother, more methodical intro of DMT on mp3?
Why dont you tell him its just like weed. That way, he knows hes ready for it and wigs out. Come on man. This isnt the drug for EVERYone, give it to the experienced trippers and those that want it..dont push it on someone who rejects it as too strong. They know their own limit.
Realized post was old. Oh well
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hightimesreader said: I would like to start this tek soon but I'm going to use phalaris grass and I'm working on getting me lye.
HTR
So, how did it turn out?
I got some Phalaris roots. How much is necessary for good amount? Digging those bitches up is nasty.
Is it even possible to extract good amounts of DMT from phalaris Australis roots?
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