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Marsofold DMT extraction question
    #6667657 - 03/14/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Here's the Marsofold Tek Quantum just mentioned. It is the easiest Tek around and produces very clean DMT. Check out my DMT trip report in my journal. Peace :sun:


Amazing simple clean DMT extraction
How to easily make DMT:
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Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 2" pieces and grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time.
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Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container. Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container again. Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon container to settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an empty 1-Gallon glass wine jug, being careful not to pour off any of the vegetable sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug.
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Basification: Premix in advance a solution of: 5 Tablespoons (63grams) of Sodium Hydroxide ("Red Devil" lye) with 1-Pint of WARM Water. Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix the contents.
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Nonpolar Extraction: Add 250ml of (Ace Hardware)VM&P Naptha to the wine jug. Add exactly enough warm water to the jug to raise the liquid level to an inch below the top, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug slowly back and forth for 5 full minutes to mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table for at least 4 hours. There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller clear one on top filling the neck of the jug. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up the top clear layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the lower brown/black layer into the mason jar.
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Freeze-precipitation/wash: place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the crystals. Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a quart mason jar and putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel. Shake the naptha in the mason jar strongly to stir up all the crystals at the bottom and quickly pour while still very cold into the funnel for filtering. Impure yellow-white DMT crystals will be seen on the coffee filter paper. Allow the crystals to completely dry out on the filter paper in the funnel. Premix a wash solution by mixing equal parts of Distilled Water and NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) into a pint container. Slowly pour 100ml of the wash solution over the crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them. Remove the filter paper from the funnel, spread it out flat and allow the crystals to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have 2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT. At least 50 strong doses. Mix it with some parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!




so this is the extraction method i decided to go with- since it says nothing about 3 weeks wait in any of the steps so hopefully ill get some yellow dreamshards by this weekend :smile:. the question i have is the last step about putting the funnel in another empty mason jar. why is that necessary? what are you saving the liquid for? can it be frozen and extracted even MORE? also would this lye work in place of "Red devil"? http://www.amazon.com/ROOTO-CORPORATION-1030-Drain-Opener/dp/B000BOCAOY/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3756794-8390252?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1173867925&sr=8-1


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6667874 - 03/14/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hello! Your questions should be answered throughout this post. Marsofold tek can essentially be done in 2 days... and keep in mind that using the exact amounts of water + lye + vinegar for each step is essential... not so much for the naphtha since you can evap it down if needed before precipitation. A friend uses closer to 400ml naphtha then after the separation reduces it down to about 50ml or so (until its supersaturated) for precipitation (talked about below)

That lye will work fine. Here is another brand that also works that is sometimes found locally:

http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-10015&ps_session=fcdda1b25f7f706cef2521cbaa3b7458

After you extract in the slow-cooker, let the liquid sit overnight in a gallon container in the fridge. Then slowly pour off through a metal coffee filter to filter out any extra gunk. This is the decanting phase.

Now the rest of the extraction can be done in a day. Mix in your lye then soon after mix in your naphtha (while its still fairly hot). Tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Once sitting, the separation should occur fairly fast, and after an hour or 2 the naphtha is usually ready to be pulled off. If you have trouble for some reason, put 3-4 lid-bands on the bottom of your pressure cooker, then put your container on top of the lid bands. MAKE SURE THE CAP IS REMOVED FROM YOUR JUG. Fill with water till a couple inches below the top of the pressure cooker and turn the heat on medium-high or so to heat-bath separate it.

Keep your pulls separate! This well result in several grades of purer product and keep oils from other pulls from contaminating your clean pure white first pull stuff (you can always wash the other pulls later to remove yellows).

The trick for purity is the freeze precipitation. And the trick with the freeze precipitation is supersaturation. This means, after you have your naphtha from the extraction, put it in a dish in front of a fan and evaporate it until the naphtha becomes cloudy. It is now ready to be put in the freezer for precipitation.

Marsofold himself actually made an update to this tek... this update says not to use a jar for freeze precipitation, too much of a PITA to get stuck crystals out. Use a small evaporation dish, like a smalll Pyrex baking dish. Put saran wrap over the top of it to protect from dust then put this in the freezer. After the precipitates fall out, you can slowly pour off the naphtha through a coffee filter (to collect rogue crystals) while the lump some of the crystals will be on the bottom of the dish. Let this air dry then scrape off the dish.

The funnel is just one way, a friend prefers to get a 5 inch diameter metal screen kitchen strainer, and put a round coffee filter in it. They pour through this and YES collect the extra liquid. Within an hour the naphtha should evap off the coffee filter. All this extra naphtha needs to be saved... see next paragraph.

Freezer precipitation can happen within an hour or two. You can do it at this point, then when you are finished with everything, evap down your leftover naphtha till its supersaturated then put in the freezer for 3 days to pull out any extra.

Recrystallization is a good way to clean too. Set up a simple double-boiler with a mason jar on a lid band in a skillet or something and throw some naphtha in there till it is very warm\hot. Now take your DMT crystals and put them into a half pint mason jar or so. Add hot naphtha very slowly, add just enough until all the DMT becomes dissolved. You may now notice a separate layer on the bottom of the jar of yellow oil. If you slightly tilt the jar it will collect in the corner. Use a dropper to suck out this yellow oil (the contaminants) then proceed to the freeze precipitation again. Repeating this step, even without the presence of yellow oil (just simply dissolving in just enough naphtha + re-crystallizing) can further purify your product. A good 2-4 recrystallizations works well. 

I could go on more about variations in technique, better recrystallization methods and extra washing methods, but this should give you a start  :smile:

Lemme know if you need any help  :thumbup:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6668017 - 03/14/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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so this is the extraction method i decided to go with- since it says nothing about 3 weeks wait in any of the steps so hopefully ill get some yellow dreamshards by this weekend :smile:. [/url]




Yellow dreamshards...not with this tech...
first pull, right out of the freezer...


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: mockeylock]
    #6668246 - 03/14/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Those look pretty white to me, homey.

What tek did you use?


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6668958 - 03/14/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

cant motherfuckin wait! just ordered 1lb of mimosa for $57 at ebay.
ok and how long does mimosa bark stay viable for dmt extraction? i have 3oz of bark that's been laying around since last summer. almost year now. i always got turned off doing it cuz of the comlicated tek on erowid.


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6669113 - 03/14/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I was referring to Marsofold's tek...same one he posted.
and I think the goodies would be stable in the bark for quite a long time, I'm sure it's still good.


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: mockeylock]
    #6669140 - 03/14/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

ok this is totally seperate question but don't feel like making a new thread for it. is there any 'smart' way to do dmt? like we have mushrooms and lemon and weed and vaporizer and such.


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6669717 - 03/14/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The best way to do DMT is, imo, out of an oiler style pipe like this one:



Any lighter will work, but a jet flame works kewl. You wanna use about as much DMT as equals the size of a pencil eraser.

You wanna take a big hit, hold it for a few seconds, let it out. Take a second, hold it for a few seconds, let it out. Take a third and big hit, hold it in as LONG as you can, then let it out. Hold on for dear... life?

I wouldn't do it with ANY other drugs for your first couple of times. As far as with mushrooms, do it either right before you dose, or on the comedown, but not on the peak until you feel really comfortable to do so. Hope this helps! :grin:


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This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace
And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6669732 - 03/14/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Here are some extra notes from Marsofold that you may or may not have seen.  :peace:


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Here are some tips for improving the yield:

#1 Grind the rootbark up to 1mm diameter or smaller. Finer is better.

#2 Use three water-vinegar extractions rather than two. Divide up the water-vinegar mix so that you roughly use 50% for the first extraction, 25% for the second, and 25% for the third extraction. After the last extraction press out the fiber to squeeze the last bit of liquid from it.

#3 Basify to a pH  of 13. If you don't have pH  papers, basify till it turns black, then add an additional 25% of whatever amount of basification solution you used. This is to guarantee that you're at a pH  of 13. The brown foam you see floating on top of the basified extract after tilting the jug should flatten out to a thickness of no more than 1/2" after 45 minutes or so if you've used enough lye. Add a bit more lye and re-tilt if it's thicker than that.

#4 Naptha: the freeze-precipitation technique is a double-edged sword. Very convenient and high quality, but highly dependent upon knowing the approximate amount of DMT expected to be precipitated. If you use too much naptha, then only a little bit precipitates out. If you use too little, then it doesn't extract it all out of solution. It is the simplest case of recrystalization. The best way using it if you aren't very sure of the yield is to use a slight excess to extract, then evaporate it down to 10% of the original volume. THEN freeze it. This will pretty much guarantee excellent results. For example: For a pound of rootbark use 500 milliliters of naptha to extract. Then evaporate it down to 50 milliliters. Then freeze it and filter out the crystals. By the way, you must very quickly filter it within a minute or two after removal from the freezer so it doesn't have any time to warm up. And your freezer can't be marginally cold. If it doesn't freeze ice cream HARD,then it isn't cold enough. -20C is about where it should be.

#5 Washing: Be sure that the crystals are absolutely DRY before washing. An alternative to the ammonia-water wash is to use 25 milliliters of ICE COLD distilled water to wash.




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Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely
This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace
And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
Amen


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6669922 - 03/14/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i;ve been driving around all day looking for ingredients. the only one i couldnt find was lye. anybody in LA area help me out? also, where can i buy those pipes for cheap? glass...cocks. there i said it.


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6669952 - 03/14/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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where can i buy those pipes for cheap?




Any headshop should carry them... and in the shops they are called "oilers" (so avoid asking for a "meth pipe" heh). Roebic brand lye (in that pic I gave you) is commonly sold at Lowes, so checkin out all the Lowes Hardware stores in your area might be worth while. Good luck! :thumbup:


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This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies
Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand
Give me strength to find the path
Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely
This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace
And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
Amen


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6670376 - 03/14/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

50 hits worth sounds like a lot to me- enought to last a single person's life time. how often do you go thru this drug? seeing as how a trip only lasts 10 minute or so with no neg. comedown, can you do hits after another in one sitting?

AND any website where i can get 'oilers' for cheap and bulk? i wanna give these out along with the dmt to all my friends.


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    #6670962 - 03/14/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

50 hits worth goes faster then you think when your givin it away....

Donno about wholesale meth pipes.

95% or so of the DMT I've seen is given away... It's felt as a sort of a social duty as a basement shaman. What isn't given is saved, but none has been used by myself in a while. I've spread it eassily to over a hundred people and counting... most multiple times. I have perfected peaking peoples interest, giving them the right info, then convicing them to do it. Even non drug users. :smile: Spreadin the gospel...

You can hit it again after about an hour with just a little bit of tolerance build-up. Usually 3-4 times over a 4-5 hour period on a night works well. After 24 hours your tolerance is down significantly, however, that does not mean hit it every 24 hours just because you can. I like to wait about a week inbetween "sessions" then hit it about 2-4 times per session over 4-5 hours.

I find this gives time to process the experience a bit better. This is more then just spiritual reasoning as I noticed that with multiple daily use my trips were ending up being very very similar, at one point i even had the same trip twice. About 6-7 spirit guides were entertaining me in my apartment doing various motion activities. I hit it again an hour later and they were in the SAME spots doing the SAME things but at about twice the speed as they were before. I personally believe that it was my guide's lesson to me about not using it that frequently. So now I wait at least a week.

It's been a while since I've hit any though... about a year... last time i had any DMT was last March when I took pharmahuasca and had a crazy closed-eye movie type thing that all I remember is some humanoid worm thing flying and his insides coming out of his mouth and him transforming into his insides then to something else, all about transition of the flesh. I found out the next day my great uncle was on his death bed. My heightened spiritual energy at the time really helped in my assisting him in spirit when I was at the bed as he died a few days later... :sad:

Hopefully Dimitri and I will meet again as soon as I soon get over this pesky throat infection. I am ready again... it's time to return home...


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And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6671072 - 03/14/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

lol wholesale meth pipe. i just gotta find the skinniest black dude on the street. how did you convince people to do it, btw? right now, i'm making burned 2 track cds. track 1 is Joe Rogan on DMT. track 2 is well, DMT- divine moments of truth by shpongle. i fear that joe is little too aggressive on the shit, tho. i already had one friend say nah, man, that shit sounds too strong for me. anybody have a smoother, more methodical intro of DMT on mp3?


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6671688 - 03/15/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Too strong is a total understatement. DMT rips apart reality within seconds and its not something you can either prepare for or get used to. I haven't been able to break through using oiler type devices, i much prefer to layer it between some ashes in a nice long glass pipe and hit it til i break through. As for your mp3's look for terrence Mckennas lectures, there are loads on DMT.


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    #6675106 - 03/15/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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    #6675136 - 03/15/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

ok i have more questions regarding the extraction. can you use coffee filter at your first step and skip the 'store overnight to let particles settle' part? or are some essencial particles that are needed for the process filtered out by the coffee paper?

also have question about step 3 the seperation- what is the point of adding warm water to the jug along with naptha? and is there no specific amount to it? also, i thought i heard something about heating up the naptha? and mars states on the later tips that the amoutn of naptha is 500ml to 1lb bark as opposed to 250ml of the orignial tek? also how long does it take to evaporate naphta?


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    #6675710 - 03/16/07 02:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Dont Cut Corners!!! This will only hurt you in the end, leave the particles to settle even if you strain it through a t-shirt. As for the adding of warm water, im not sure, Ironically I never do that part and my yield is always fine probably because I add slightly more water when I add more lye.


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    #6675713 - 03/16/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

man, i got 1lb of mimosa bark coming and i really don't wanna screw up since that $60 was a lot of money for me at the moment. provided that i do badly, what do you think will be the minimum yield i get out of 1lb? and whats the maximum that can be extracted?


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    #6675894 - 03/16/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

from around 1.5kg we successfully yielded around ~6-~8g of pretty pure fractal dust. Unless you're a complete fool unable to tell the difference between your arse and your elbow, its pretty hard to go wrong with this extraction. I wouldn't want to give you an estimated lowest yield in case I was way off and it's not something anyone could make a prediction that's even close. The most important factors of the extraction are as follows (these are the important variables for getting a good yield so give these steps your full attention):

1: Pulverise the fuck out the MHRB, you want it as close to powder as you can humanly go.
2: Dont hold back on first stage when soaking it in the vinegar water solution, I'd say for best results use Boiling water and leave around an hour between each straining.
3: Underbasification is THE biggest culprit for poor yields so when adding lye (and FGS be very, very, very, VERY careful when adding the lye. Do it slowly) We used around 120-130g added to 1 pint luke warm water per 500g MHRB, thats alot of lye but it does the trick, you may need to recrystalise after or at least give it an ammonia bath.
4: Use slightly more naptha than it says, not much like 10-20% more. And after shaking the mix up leave it for a good few hours to fully settle before attempting seperation. Oha and when you gotta shake it, shake it well by rotating it for a full 5 minutes.
5: When seperating you absolutely must not let anything Non-naptha get into the solution you will be freezing as this ends up in your smoke, and that in turn ends up in you and you don't want to be smoking lye.

Sounds ominous and complex but it really ain't, I can do the whole process over a couple of days without thinking about it once, just doing my thang on auto-pilot.


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