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Demotriton
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thorpec2 said: Isn't it odd to have "faith" in what we have not seen nor met?
You can see the bible can't you? Who does it say God is? After all if any word is true this one certainly is.
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Silversoul
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What of the Vedas? What of the Pali Canon? What of the Zend Avesta? What proof do you have that they are not at least on par with the Bible?
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Who DOES it say GOD is??
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I tend to think that an experience is in order to put the teachings into perspective. Kind of points the compass needle in the 'right' direction, if you know what I mean.
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Demotriton
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Silversoul said: What of the Vedas? What of the Pali Canon? What of the Zend Avesta? What proof do you have that they are not at least on par with the Bible?
Do these religions preach salvation by grace or by works?
Christianity is the only one I am aware of that has salvation by grace which is the only means of salvation.
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Silversoul
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Demotriton said:
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Silversoul said: What of the Vedas? What of the Pali Canon? What of the Zend Avesta? What proof do you have that they are not at least on par with the Bible?
Do these religions preach salvation by grace or by works?
Christianity is the only one I am aware of that has salvation by grace which is the only means of salvation.
Actually, many of them have moved beyond the immature idea of "salvation,"(at least your simplistic understanding of it) and gone on to liberation. BTW, you didn't answer my question.
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I think it is a disservous to chritianity to oversimplify, throw verses around, and regurgitate gospel tracts.
You can't take very difficult concepts to grasp and just be like, "get it, do ya get it."
If a muslim did that to me, I would be pissed.
The idea of God, his purpose, man's purpose, heaven, hell, the Christ, escatology, etc. is perplexing. I have a degree in Biblical studies, and I can tell you that the Bible can leave you scratching your head.
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Silversoul
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mikemushroom said: I think it is a disservous to chritianity to oversimplify, throw verses around, and regurgitate gospel tracts.
You can't take very difficult concepts to grasp and just be like, "get it, do ya get it."
If a muslim did that to me, I would be pissed.
The idea of God, his purpose, man's purpose, heaven, hell, the Christ, escatology, etc. is perplexing. I have a degree in Biblical studies, and I can tell you that the Bible can leave you scratching your head.
MM
As a Gnostic, I'm aware of all of this. But I'm addressing salvation as he understands it, not its more esoteric meaning, which is in fact quite similar to the ideas of Nirvana or Moksha.
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He can't anwer you becaue he does not know who they are (just a hunch).
Jesus said that no man may come to the Father but by me. This is why pluralistic ideals do not work with Christianity.
And by the way-Demotriton- salvation is by faith and grace not works. You can't have it both ways.
Sola Fide and Sola Au Gratin
translation: By our faith and God's grace alone. Thats basic. To suggest that you can get to heaven by works means that Christ died for nothing. Now I am scratching my head wondering if you have ever read Galations (which addresses this very issue).
If you really are trying to let people know your belief system quit generalizing. It is counterproductive and falls into the stereotype.
MM
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