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Babo911
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Amanita velatipes?
#6655287 - 03/10/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tried to ID this picture last year and didn't get that great of a response, the guy who took me to find them looked through the pictures and with a little more knowledge between the two of us we think it might be Amanita velatipes.....
I am just looking for an ID for my records of my own field guide for personal reference, I am pretty sure they are not active but toxic (not looking to eat them either way)
Any info be helpful
Found in southern NJ pine region in the shady bed of pine needles by a lake.

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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: Babo911]
#6655436 - 03/10/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The lack of a ring around the stipe is a bit odd for Amanita velatipes. It also resembles Amanita muscaria var. formosa, also known as Amanita muscaria var. guessowii (i am uncertain which is the current classification).
Without a look at the basal bulb, or volva, there is no way for us to positively identify the mushroom to species.
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: Babo911]
#6656729 - 03/10/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The lack of a ring and the scaliness of the stem make me think it's probably not A. velatipes. We really need to see the stem base and volva to make an ID. Other things that are important are what kind of trees it was growing under, whether the cap margin is striate (and how far if it is), and if the spores are amyloid.
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: ToxicMan]
#6656853 - 03/10/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see a striate margin- Lookee!
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: CureCat]
#6657294 - 03/10/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree - a striate margin is visible. The question is how far does it go toward the center of the cap. With Amanitas it's useful to know if the striations go less than 1/4 of the way in, or half way, or whatever. From that photo I'd start guessing that they go in just a short way.
Of course, other useful things are bruising and odors. The pain-in-the-ass part is that you never know beforehand which of those weird things you'll need, and it always seems like the one you forgot to note when you picked it is the really important one.
It's sort of similar to the way you need to know how far toward the center of the cap the skin of a Russula will peel. The good keys actually have that as one of the things to ID the mushroom with.
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: ToxicMan]
#6659247 - 03/11/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am still new to this so bare with me.... 
Now next time i go hunting what should i take pictures of to help define what amanita i am looking at?
Besides the obvious spore print and close attention to the base and the top cap (with a legend)
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: Babo911]
#6659716 - 03/11/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The best thing is to carefully dig up the entire base of the mushroom and bring it back home with you. That way you can answer questions about it you didn't think of in the field. In the field you need to note what kind of trees it's growing under/near. It's also extremely useful to find multiple specimens of different ages, young buttons through mature specimens, and collect them. Often there are features that disappear as the mushroom matures and you will only see them on the buttons. There are also features that only become clear in a mature specimen.
Those rules aren't just for Amanitas - they're for *all* mushrooms you want an accurate ID on.
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Re: Amanita velatipes? [Re: ToxicMan]
#6660616 - 03/12/07 04:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for all the help
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