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lol you clearly are not looking in those stores hard enough I found all my grow lights for veg in all those stores.
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They call them 'kitchen and bath'. They're 3000K light temperature. I use them for photography because they are a close enough match for the 3200K incandescent bulbs I use in my hard light fixtures. Cool white tubes have a light temperature around 5000K, and Natural sunlight tubes are about 7,000K. If they're for mushrooms, you want the 7,000K tubes, but I suspect you're asking for a different crop.
I don't think you can get them in the T-12 configuration. I've only seen the warm white/Kitchen and bath tubes in the smaller T-8 size, but they'll have them in 48" length.
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The T-8 vs the T-12 refers to the size of the 'tombstone' that the light twists into. T8 tubes are the skinny ones, and T12 tubes are the fatter ones. Make sure you get a fixture to match. It will say on the label which one it is.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: LayYouIn]
#6654989 - 03/10/07 05:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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are these tubes...?
http://www.bulbs.com/eSpec.aspx?ID=11969&Ref=Category
Yes, but that's a pretty steep price. They're half that at Lowes, and you pay sales tax, but no shipping.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: RogerRabbit]
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I bought some 48" "grow lights" from lowes for $5 each. I saw some at Home depot for a few dollar more.
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I'd also like to point out to folks that when you read in stamets book that 'blue' light stimulates pinning, he's talking about the 'blue' end of the spectrum, or the higher K values. The +/- 6500K tubes sold as 'daylight' fit the bill perfectly. It doesn't mean blue dye sprayed on the glass. I know this isn't the subject of the thread, but it's a good place to throw that out.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6655977 - 03/10/07 03:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is from the "bible" (all Jorge Cervantes fans know what it is;):
SODIUM
High pressure sodium bulbs are used for industrial, residential, and horticulture. ....expensive and readily available....often carry 240 to 400-watt lamps...Lack of color balance makes plants stretch between internodes, but does not necessarily diminsh overall harvest...
FLUORECENT
Fluorecent lights have gone through major changes in recent years. New bulbs produce more light. Most growers use fluorecents to grow clones and small vegetative plants. Some growers even use them to flower a crop.....
Plants will flower under fluorecent light. The buds will be small and light, but, with enough fluorecent light, you can grow a mature crop. The grow show will have to literally be lined with fluorecents.
My first choice is sodium, second choice is fluorecent. Do your homework before you go buying anything. Every grow situation is unique. You should also line your walls with Foylon, reflective mylar, or flat white paint.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: mikemushroom]
#6656011 - 03/10/07 03:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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NO WARM WHITE (fluorecent)?
Try these other options (in order;#1 being best):
1.Warm White (2700 Kelvin)
2.White (3000 K)
3.Neutral (3500 K)
4.Cool White (4100 K)
5.Full Spectrum (5000 K)
6.Daylight (6500 K)
So grab some "White" fluorecents, or just get a sodium. Fluorecents do use less elec., but are a general pain in the ass. That's my opinion. But, for the noob on a budget-get fluorecents. The whole process is horticultural science and hard work!
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Hey, where does one get Mylar?
About the lighting for cannabis plants... you're saying (or Jorge is) that a combo of one 'kitchen & bath' & one 'daylight' is sufficient for vegetative growth, but sodium bulbs should be used for flowering?
P.S. A friend of mine has the 'Ultimate Grow DVD' that he made... I'm gonna borrow it & watch it (NOT WHILE HIGH) a few times as soon as i can. Lol, he told me he tried to watch it a few times but was too stoned to follow it... i told him if he was serious about growing he'd have to quit smoking for a little while & spend some time doing some research.
To simplify let me say it like this. If this is your first indoor garden do one or the other. Elec. bill is a tale tales sign something is going on. Thermo googles will spot out high wattage rooms that use sodium. With all high wattage bulbs, remember that two 400 watt bulbs are better than one 1000 watt bulb. Unless you are planning on a rather large grow, your safest bet is fluorecent...by far.
Mylar can be found at building supply stores. A more icognito approach would be to buy some flat white paint.
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I know they're different... the 'cool' has more blues & the 'warm' more reds... & 'daylight' is a blue also but has a stronger light intensity than 'cool white'.
I've read that one of each is ideal because (cannabis) plants use blue lights for leaves & reds for stems & branches during vegetative growth.
I can say from experience that this is the case because last year I grew two plants using 'plant & aqaurium' fluorescent tubes (had to cut & toss one because it was a male), & by the time it started flowering the stem was so weak I needed to use string to hold the plant upright. That's why a wanna make absolute sure to get a bulb rich in red light so I avoid that problem this time around.
As for flowering, because of the poor lighting used (both in spectrum as well as intensity) the total yield from one plant was under 1/2 oz. ... dismal considering it was 3 feet or so tall. The buds were very light & airy... but they were fucking amazing... damn near half of the volume was red hairs & crystals... the buds easily broke apart upon touching & left your fingers nice & sticky. One or two hits gave you a wired, energetic, trippy-type high for 2-4 hrs, definately a predominantly sativa strain ... I'd give anything to have some more of that kind of bud. I could smoke it throughout the day & function normally. Nearly all the stuff you get commercially where I'm at makes you lazy & lethargic... so I can only smoke it before I go to bed to chill for a couple of hrs.
Reaons for limp stems & small buds:
Under fertilization
Over fertilization
Fluorecent must be 1/2 to 2 inches from top of the plant*
Soil issues
Over watering
Infection
*when using fluorecents only
As for light spectrum. Yes, different spectrums for different reasons. I was under the assumption you were only going with the one.
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I've read that the plastic used for tarping silage piles (PVC maybe?) is a suitable substitute for mylar in lining the walls, ceiling & floor of a closet/room... it's black on one side & white on the other so it keeps the silage pile as cool as possible during the summer to slow the growth of mold. If this material works alright then I can get it easily... assuming it's better than white paint?
I admit I know next to nothing about which materials reflect light the best.
I use...er, I know somebody who use to use flat white paint sucessfully. I can't tell you anything about this material you can get without seeing it.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: mikemushroom]
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: mikemushroom]
#6656168 - 03/10/07 04:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never really got worked up over color spectrum to much. The most important thing is the correct amount of light per plant, and how to use that lighting to generate proper fluorecent temps. both heat and cool. Here is a key that you touched on:
Veg. growth- 18hrs. on 6hrs. off
Flowering- 12 on 12 off
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No, I definately want a combination that provides both spectrums of light for vegetative growth so i can (hopefully) avoid the problem(s) that plagued me last attempt.
I suspect your problems are more complex than light spectrum. Use jiffy cubes to start them. No fertilizer and water a jiffy directs. Place light(s) 2 inches from cube on the third day. Only water when it look a tad dry. Water light;water often as needed (during firt six weeks. If you must, use fertilizer use 1/3 of the normal water to fert. ratio.
If you wish to use several different spectrums of light, don't worry about which one and when. Use them at the ssame time. This helps to futher mimic the sun. This is what I have seen done successfully.
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Looks fine in pics. A long a it can reflect light properly it will work. Jut don't use foil!
I recommend picking up the newest edition of "Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible". He is the authority in modern cannibas horticulture.
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Gracias, I'll definately pick up that book... I know The Mushroom Cultivator has helped me immensely in mushroom cultivation (in addition to this site  ). More books & knowledge is never a negative.
With mycology and horticulture education is the key. I never mind helping someone with a "green" thumb.
Best of luck. Keep me updated (PM).
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: mikemushroom]
#6656367 - 03/10/07 05:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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carful with the jiffy cubes, most people dont recomend them due to the ph. i assume that you can correct it with a buffer of sorts. i have never had sucess with jiffy blocks. since i got out of farming, i didnt have the time to take care of the plants and preform all the little details that make the diffrence, i have helped a few friends start things off and grow some good stuff. i have always been a fan of minneral wool. after soaking it for 24hrs to correct the ph it works great for clones and seeds. you cant over water it and there is no transplant shock. as for limpy plants there are a few ways to fix that: get a fan, a light breeze will thicken them up, or you can bend them over almost 90 degrees for a week or 2 then let them back up. that stimulates some hormone that makes them thicken up, they also bush out quite a bit when the bending is done. hope this helps
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#6656558 - 03/10/07 06:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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To make your stems stronger, you need to put an oscillating fan on them from day one. It's the wind that strengthens them up. I'm going to move this to the ethno garden forum now, I'm sure the folks there will be able to help more than here. Good luck to you.
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Re: Where the fuck can I find... [Re: mikemushroom]
#6656598 - 03/10/07 06:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Veg. growth- 18hrs. on 6hrs. off
Veg growth- 24hrs on 0 hours off.
18/6 is a redundant and useless practice.
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Veg. growth- 18hrs. on 6hrs. off
Veg growth- 24hrs on 0 hours off.
VEGETATIVE GROWTH
"Vegetative growth is maintained by giving plants 16-24 hour of light everyday."
--page 3. Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Growers Bible. Jorge Cervantes, 2006
For fluorecent light 18 hour is suitable. Don't start in with the 24 hour thing. Some strains of indica and sativa get stresssed at 24/7 light. Once again, all grows are unique. For the noob who has fluorecents, they SHOULD start at 18/6, and once they understand the growth cycle of their strain, light can be adjusted for the 2nd+ generations.
It is also better on the light bill, and I think, easier to maintain if you cannot get to your garden twice a day.
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#6657927 - 03/11/07 10:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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To make your stems stronger, you need to put an oscillating fan on them from day one. It's the wind that strengthens them up. I'm going to move this to the ethno garden forum now, I'm sure the folks there will be able to help more than here. Good luck to you.
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Try thi in conjunction with everything else mentioned. 
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Yeah, I had read that about using a fan to replicate wind & also mist the plants with a little bit of the water or water/fertilizer that you would otherwise all pour into the soil to replicate the rain... I'm definately planning on doing both of those.
As for the Ph in Jiffy cubes & pots... I'm planning on mixing a cup or two of crushed oyster shells into the potting mix in the larger pots to combat both the acidity of the peat moss & also the acidity caused by the breakdown of fertilizer over time. I'll probably also mix a teaspoon of limestone into the Jiffy pot.
Another mistake I made last time that probably more than any other adversely affected my yields was that my lighting cycle was all fucked up. Not only was I going back & forth numerous times on the amount of hrs. the lights were on & off because I didn't know what I was doing, but several times the dark period was interrupted by me turning on the overhead bulb... definately not going to make those mistakes this time around either.
Be sure you use a PH tester. Be sure you get the right kind of lime.
Get a timer for the lights. This makes it "practical".
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