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ATLean
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mycelium piss
#6649453 - 03/08/07 03:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a small jelly jar with popcorn and it's got a bit of ..what I hope is mycelium piss. What causes this?
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Re: mycillium piss [Re: ATLean]
#6649459 - 03/08/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Contamination forum
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ATLean
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Re: mycillium piss [Re: Tobolam]
#6649464 - 03/08/07 03:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright. I'm not going to double post so if a mod sees this, please move it for me and delete this one post.
Thanks-Jon
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ATLean
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: ATLean]
#6649469 - 03/08/07 03:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait a minute...I could be wrong but I don't think mycelium piss is a contamination.
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: ATLean]
#6649477 - 03/08/07 03:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its not a contam... Mycelium has a byproduct just like humans.
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: ATLean]
#6649481 - 03/08/07 03:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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good save
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: Andrew47]
#6649532 - 03/08/07 03:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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all living organisms create waste and "myc piss" is the waste produced by myc. ive also read elsewhere on the forum that it helps fight contams, some1 correct me if im wrong.
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ATLean
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: farva86]
#6649547 - 03/08/07 03:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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farva86 said: all living organisms create waste and "myc piss" is the waste produced by myc. ive also read elsewhere on the forum that it helps fight contams, some1 correct me if im wrong.
This makes me wonder why some produce piss and other don't. This one jar was colonizing a bit slower than the others and all of a sudden started with some great rizo growth a day or so after I noticed the piss.
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: ATLean]
#6649557 - 03/08/07 03:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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its the length of time and tempature at which it incubates that causes it.
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Try a few searches, or simply read back a few pages. I don't have the energy to type it all out for the tenth time this week. It isn't piss and it isn't waste material. It's antibiotics. There is no such thing as mycelium piss. This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard, and I've been trying to kill this one for years. Stamets has been trying to kill it for twenty years without luck because people without knowledge keep repeating it over and over. RR
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HipsterDoofus
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According to The Mushroom Cultivator, Stamets describes it as waste and states that it favors the propagation of bacteria.
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Mushroom mycelium exudes a yellowish liquid metabolite that collects as droplets around the myceliated kernels of grain. As the culture ages and the kernels are digested, more metabolic wastes are secreted. Although this secretion is mostly composed of alcohols (ethanol and acetone), in time acids are produced that cause the lowering of the substrate's pH. These waste products are favorable to the porpagation of bacteria that thrive in aqueous environments."
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I8thesh400m
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I was on my way to wring youre neck and inform you myc doesnt piss. but RR had that covered, so with that said, Its probrally not contam. as youve been informed and i recently learned, its the waste of mycelium. Good luck with youre pop corn!
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RogerRabbit said: It's antibiotics RR
Antibiotics hua?., Does this have any medicinal benifits, as does morphine?, I Guess im asking, if this can be isolated or is used in anything reguarding healthcare or such. Interesting now that i know myc wont pee on my leg if i make it mad.
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RogerRabbit said: There is no such thing as mycelium piss. This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard, and I've been trying to kill this one for years. Stamets has been trying to kill it for twenty years without luck because people without knowledge keep repeating it over and over. RR
RR, I understand completely what you're saying, and I am in no way trying to dispute your info (god knows that'd be futile ). But I think you get too heated up about this whole myc. piss thing. I've seen you make dozens of comments like this. While I, and a lot of other people here know that the yellowish liquid exuded by the mycellium is not actual urine, I still call it mycellial piss. Why? Because thats kinda what it looks like, and everyone else knows what I'm talking about then. I'm sure a lot of other people use it in the same way. I mean, its a lot easier, and sounds a lot neater to say piss than to say "yellowish liquid mycellial metabolites/waste"... imagine if people had to type that every time they asked a question about it? Its kinda like when you have a cold glass ofe ice water with beads of condensation all over it, how some people say the glass is "sweating". Are they suggesting the glass has pores, and self-regulating temperature control system? Of course not... but it looks like sweat, is easy to say, and everyone knows exactly what they're talking about.
While I'm sure some of the guys asking questions about it that have been registered for 4 days and have 2 posts may read that, and think its actual piss, I'm sure most of them, and the rest of us that have been here at least a lil while know that obviously fungi dont have bladders, or urine, but we still use the term.
Since I hate how sometimes what one types on here doesn't come off sounding like one meant when it is read, lemme say that I in know way was flaming you RR, or anything like that. you've been a huge help and a great reservoir of knowledge for myself and a lot of us here. Just wanted to maybe give you a lil perspective on something that I noticed seems to bother you, unnecessarily, it seems.
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I was about to say the same thing MightyCelt... He gets riled up over the myc piss.. but I call it that as well even though I know its not urine lol..
Just like you said its a name for it not a complete definition of what it is..
Roger I believe it can be killed if you coin an easy phrase thats just as catchy but more descriptive to what it actually is!
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: Grogan]
#6650639 - 03/08/07 08:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here,. everyone will now call it the yellow funky stuff * problem fixed * hehe. I do agree, altho its called pee by noobs, they im shure know it doesnt actually urinate. The sweating ice water is a good example.
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That quote above by stamets in TMC written in 1985 when he was fairly new to cultivation was a mistake. He corrected it very well in the 1990's when he wrote 'Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms', where he correctly stated they are antibiotic compounds.
Furthermore, the journal of medicinal mushrooms publishes articles on a regular basis identifying the various antibiotic compounds in various species of mushroom mycelial metabolites.
The first mass use of metabolites in medicine was in WW2 when the production of metabolites from the Penicillium mold saved thousands of Allied soldiers lives due to a product that was named Penicillin after the mycelium metabolites it was made from. I'm completely in awe that you folks don't know this. It should have been taught in elementary and junior high school, both in history and science. It's not brand new news.
Furthermore, there is a time and place for vulgarities. I'm no prude and no religious freak by a long shot, but in science one need not use vulgar terms if he wishes to be taken seriously. I'll be the first one to let out a four letter tirade over politics when I'm having a few beers down at the pub, but not here, and not in conjunction with mycology. I hope this clears it up. I'll stay on it until people stop using the wrong terms. It's no different than correcting someone for referring to an uncased bulk substrate incorrectly as a 'casing' or referring to manure as a spawn, rather than a substrate, etc. It's simply incorrect an should be corrected or new growers trying to learn get fed the wrong information. Peace and good luck to all RR
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RogerRabbit said: This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard RR
It personally bothers me a million times less yo see the term myc piss than when I see the "Cube is a cube" idiots passing that along,they may grow similar but I hate when noobs are lied to about what the feel like
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Re: mycelium piss [Re: Blutjager]
#6651003 - 03/08/07 09:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blutjager said:
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RogerRabbit said: This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard RR
It personally bothers me a million times less yo see the term myc piss than when I see the "Cube is a cube" idiots passing that along,they may grow similar but I hate when noobs are lied to about what the feel like
I agree, Ive had 100% different trips off of some cubies from a friend, baught from a dealer, and from those picked at my field. a cubie is, of course, a cubie,, But the high and affect, can vary greatly!. glad you pointed that out, and yer.. it pisses me off when i hear it as well
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Every hyphal pairing makes a new 'strain' thus every grow is different and will have a different feel because there's millions of spores on each print and each spore has a unique genetic code. That's why there's far more variation in trip quality and macroscopic appearance from each crop from even the same print than there is difference between siblings of the same human or animal family for example.
The 'cube is a cube' means just that. They have the same growth and nutritional/environmental requirements. Every trip will be different, so it matters little which named strain one chooses. You won't have the same trip twice, even from the same strain. In fact, you're very unlikely to have the same trip twice, even from fruits from the same substrate tray. RR
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RogerRabbit said: That quote above by stamets in TMC written in 1985 when he was fairly new to cultivation was a mistake. He corrected it very well in the 1990's when he wrote 'Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms', where he correctly stated they are antibiotic compounds.
Furthermore, the journal of medicinal mushrooms publishes articles on a regular basis identifying the various antibiotic compounds in various species of mushroom mycelial metabolites.
The first mass use of metabolites in medicine was in WW2 when the production of metabolites from the Penicillium mold saved thousands of Allied soldiers lives due to a product that was named Penicillin after the mycelium metabolites it was made from. I'm completely in awe that you folks don't know this. It should have been taught in elementary and junior high school, both in history and science. It's not brand new news.
Furthermore, there is a time and place for vulgarities. I'm no prude and no religious freak by a long shot, but in science one need not use vulgar terms if he wishes to be taken seriously. I'll be the first one to let out a four letter tirade over politics when I'm having a few beers down at the pub, but not here, and not in conjunction with mycology. I hope this clears it up. I'll stay on it until people stop using the wrong terms. It's no different than correcting someone for referring to an uncased bulk substrate incorrectly as a 'casing' or referring to manure as a spawn, rather than a substrate, etc. It's simply incorrect an should be corrected or new growers trying to learn get fed the wrong information. Peace and good luck to all RR
Although I feel decently knowledgeable on the subject of cult., I am guilty of referring to the metabolites as mycelial piss and feel a little ignorant now after reading this post. I've used Stamets TMC as my right hand guide since I've been reg'd on this site (around the same time as you RR) but never read the other book you referred to. I've been away from the forums for a couple of years and have never been enlightened on this. So....thanks for clearing that up, and I would imagine that it helped out some other people as well.
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RogerRabbit said: That quote above by stamets in TMC written in 1985 when he was fairly new to cultivation was a mistake. He corrected it very well in the 1990's when he wrote 'Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms', where he correctly stated they are antibiotic compounds.
So you admit that stamets was one of the noobs perpetuating misinformation. If he has spent twenty years without luck trying to kill it, then he has to accept at least some of the blame. Stamets didn't just post it on a forum, he published a text that became the bible of growing. A text that twenty years later, by his own account, is increasing in sales. If he corrected it "very well" he did so in a less widely read and far less distributed text.
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RogerRabbit said:Furthermore, the journal of medicinal mushrooms publishes articles
This is not a peer reviewed journal or scientific forum. It's a community of laypersons and hobbyists.
Myc piss is an entirely appropriate term. The analogy fits. Urine contains metabolites. It has antibiotic properties. Urine is used medicinally (urine therapy) and to make medicines (premarin). Myc piss, like urine, is sometimes clear and sometimes yellow. Urine, like myc piss, is released under stress (someone pees their pants).
The reality is that language evolves. Words take on new meanings and are used in new ways. People make calls on their cells, even if the correct terminology is cellular telephone. We put our cultures in the fridge, even if the correct term is refrigerator or refrigeration unit. My computer has a memory even if it does not have neurons, a brain or a cranium.
If you want to spend your life trying to hold back the tide, feel free.
The rest of us will call it myc piss. Forever and ever without end.
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This is not a peer reviewed journal or scientific forum. It's a community of lay persons and hobbyists.
The Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms has as it's editor in chief, Mr. Solomon Wasser, and on the editorial board, another 'lay' person, Mr. Gaston Guzman. Perhaps you've heard of those two?
The issue I'm holding in my hand has articles from such 'lay persons and hobbyists' as Paul Stamets, Christopher Hobbs, John Holliday, Gaston Guzman, Toshihiro Hashimoto, Soloman Wasser, Gregory Plontnikoff, Daniel Winkler and others too numorous to mention.
I feel strongly on a board focused on mycology we should concentrate on mycology and not vulgarity, however, feel free to call it whatever you wish. RR
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ATLean
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I know damn well it's not real piss but guess what, you knew EXACTLY wft I was talking about.
But anyways. Does anyone know why some jars do it and some do not? I have a few jars that are the same size, same substrate, and from the same print. Why is only one doing "it"?
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HipsterDoofus
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I meant that this place, the shroomery.org forum, is not peer reviewed journal or scientific community. I know wtf the journal is and who writes for it. This is not a board focused on mycology. This is the Mushroom Cultivation board. Mycology is the study of fungi. If you're going to make a big deal about using terms correctly, then please use them correctly.
And I did go back ten pages and read RR's post on the subject.
ATLean, to sum it up in a vulgar way , the , the presence of piss indicates a response by the mycelium to bacterial contamination, even if you can't see any evidence of bacterial growth. Therefore those jars should be fruited or spawned and not used for innoculating.
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So should we all rail against anyone who says "hpoo"? Vulgarity! Gasp! Shock!
Language is composed of informalities that become formal with time. In this case, there's nothing strictly inaccurate about the "piss" term. Calling that "antibiotics" is just as inaccurate, as it only contains antibiotic agents--it is in fact a waste product, just one that has been evolutionarily specialized. The term "mycelial piss" is in fact better and more descriptive than "antibiotics".
Very silly argument, either way. This is why we shouldn't drink and post, people.
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ATLean
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HipsterDoofus said:
ATLean, to sum it up in a vulgar way , the , the presence of piss indicates a response by the mycelium to bacterial contamination, even if you can't see any evidence of bacterial growth. Therefore those jars should be fruited or spawned and not used for inoculating.
Thank you thank you for answering my question. So what you're saying is that the jar is/was contaminated but the mycelium started fighting it. hummmmmmmmmmm It seems to be fine. It's growing very well. I hope everything goes alright. I just did a G2G with another one.
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