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farva86 said:
all living organisms create waste and "myc piss" is the waste produced by myc. ive also read elsewhere on the forum that it helps fight contams, some1 correct me if im wrong.

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Mushroom mycelium exudes a yellowish liquid metabolite that collects as droplets around the myceliated kernels of grain. As the culture ages and the kernels are digested, more metabolic wastes are secreted. Although this secretion is mostly composed of alcohols (ethanol and acetone), in time acids are produced that cause the lowering of the substrate's pH. These waste products are favorable to the porpagation of bacteria that thrive in aqueous environments."

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RogerRabbit said:
It's antibiotics
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RogerRabbit said:
There is no such thing as mycelium piss.  This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it.  Disinformation dies hard, and I've been trying to kill this one for years.  Stamets has been trying to kill it for twenty years without luck because people without knowledge keep repeating it over and over.
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RR, I understand completely what you're saying, and I am in no way trying to dispute your info (god knows that'd be futile ).  But I think you get too heated up about this whole myc. piss thing.  I've seen you make dozens of comments like this.  While I, and a lot of other people here know that the yellowish liquid exuded by the mycellium is not actual urine, I still call it mycellial piss. Why? Because thats kinda what it looks like, and everyone else knows what I'm talking about then.  I'm sure a lot of other people use it in the same way.  I mean, its a lot easier, and sounds a lot neater to say piss than to say "yellowish liquid mycellial metabolites/waste"... imagine if people had to type that every time they asked a question about it?  Its kinda like when you have a cold glass ofe ice water with beads of condensation all over it, how some people say the glass is "sweating".  Are they suggesting the glass has pores, and self-regulating temperature control system?  Of course not... but it looks like sweat, is easy to say, and everyone knows exactly what they're talking about. 

While I'm sure some of the guys asking questions about it that have been registered for 4 days and have 2 posts may read that, and think its actual piss, I'm sure most of them, and the rest of us that have been here at least a lil while know that obviously fungi dont have bladders, or urine, but we still use the term.

Since I hate how sometimes what one types on here doesn't come off sounding like one meant when it is read, lemme say that I in know way was flaming you RR, or anything like that.  you've been a huge help and a great reservoir of knowledge for myself and a lot of us here.  Just wanted to maybe give you a lil perspective on something that I noticed seems to bother you, unnecessarily, it seems.

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RogerRabbit said:
This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard
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RogerRabbit said:
This piss bull gets repeated by noobs enough that other noobs think it's true and then they repeat it. Disinformation dies hard
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It personally bothers me a million times less yo see the term myc piss than when I see the "Cube is a cube" idiots passing that along,they may grow similar but I hate when noobs are lied to about what the feel like

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RogerRabbit said:
That quote above by stamets in TMC written in 1985 when he was fairly new to cultivation was a mistake.  He corrected it very well in the 1990's when he wrote 'Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms', where he correctly stated they are antibiotic compounds.

Furthermore, the journal of medicinal mushrooms publishes articles on a regular basis identifying the various antibiotic compounds in various species of mushroom mycelial metabolites.

The first mass use of metabolites in medicine was in WW2 when the production of metabolites from the Penicillium mold saved thousands of Allied soldiers lives due to a product that was named Penicillin after the mycelium metabolites it was made from.  I'm completely in awe that you folks don't know this.  It should have been taught in elementary and junior high school, both in history and science. It's not brand new news.

Furthermore, there is a time and place for vulgarities.  I'm no prude and no religious freak by a long shot, but in science one need not use vulgar terms if he wishes to be taken seriously.  I'll be the first one to let out a four letter tirade over politics when I'm having a few beers down at the pub, but not here, and not in conjunction with mycology.  I hope this clears it up.  I'll stay on it until people stop using the wrong terms.  It's no different than correcting someone for referring to an uncased bulk substrate incorrectly as a 'casing' or referring to manure as a spawn, rather than a substrate, etc.  It's simply incorrect an should be corrected or new growers trying to learn get fed the wrong information.  Peace and good luck to all
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Although I feel decently knowledgeable on the subject of cult., I am guilty of referring to the metabolites as mycelial piss and feel a little ignorant now after reading this post.  I've used Stamets TMC as my right hand guide since I've been reg'd on this site (around the same time as you RR) but never read the other book you referred to.  I've been away from the forums for a couple of years and have never been enlightened on this.  So....thanks for clearing that up, and I would imagine that it helped out some other people as well. 

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RogerRabbit said:
That quote above by stamets in TMC written in 1985 when he was fairly new to cultivation was a mistake. He corrected it very well in the 1990's when he wrote 'Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms', where he correctly stated they are antibiotic compounds.

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RogerRabbit said:Furthermore, the journal of medicinal mushrooms publishes articles

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This is not a peer reviewed journal or scientific forum. It's a community of lay persons and hobbyists.

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HipsterDoofus said:

ATLean, to sum it up in a vulgar way , the , the presence of piss indicates a response by the mycelium to bacterial contamination, even if you can't see any evidence of bacterial growth. Therefore those jars should be fruited or spawned and not used for inoculating.

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