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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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My personal opinion is that any amount of Miracle Gro will be way too many nutrients for the mushies to handle, and could potentialy zap their potency. I forgot the refs on that one, but let me find it....Instead why not try using some fish emulsion- It has low nutrients, but it has enough I think to possibly be beneficial, if shrooms do really need NPK. I'll be interested to see your results.

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Heh, I remember my first batch of B+, they pinned like mad and I thought that I had found the holy grail of mushroom cultivation :smile: However, abhorts abounded and quite a few small shrooms..not to say that I didnt get a good crop, just don't start counting your mushies before they grow :wink:

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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It sound like MG for roses may hold some key element for the production of pins. I have only seen PF strain grow and this strain seems to produce twice as many abort than mushies.

I chose to cut down on aborts by trying a differant strain. When Ryche gets the Ecuadors to me I will deffinetly try the MG. I'll let you know the differance between MG and no MG. They will be grown with the new Hawk no canner recipe.

Keep up the experiments. One Love.


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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I'm trying not to, PsiloKtten, I was so excited I wanted to post about it...I guess I should've stressed what I found most exciting was the fact that the MG cake compared to the normal ones was about 20 times better. So far. I'll post a final report about the whole thing when they all come in. I've read all about the aborts and I really only expect about 10 mushrooms/max (hopefully at least 4-6.) I'm really interested in a standardized experiment form to report my findings. I don't know if it was just a dropped topic or if someone's working on it or what.

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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hmm i read that in i think TMC about too many nutrients stop psilocin from being made, or it coulda been Psilocybe Mushrooms Of The World not sure. and dont you use vermiculate too? thats where you want the water to get absorbed not the rice cells(heh).

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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great.

I wish someone would've told me that was written in a book when I first posted a question asking wether or not MG would be a good idea. I used that instead of anything else because I have so much of it from other projects, I figured "what the hell, maybe I'll find something new" Well, so far it looks great! no sense in worrying about potency now. I'll post my results within the next week or two.

I only added 20cc's of MG solution to the rice itself, after that it was mixed normally, pre-soaked rice, verm, and water all at once(well, water was added a lttle bit at a time to ensure a good mix). I know what vermiculite is used for. This is why we need some standard form, to keep down confusion about what someone's doing.

Anyway, I just hope I didn't screw up the potency. I'm glad I only used one jar for MG. For anybody, about to try adding MG, just wait a few more days and I'll tell you if its worth it or not.


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[This message has been edited by AcidMaster (edited June 22, 1999).]


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Just a little addition here since we're talking about substrate experiments. It's mentioned in Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms a pelitized substrate formula. Stamets mentioned specifically soy protein fortified vermiculite... I had a bunch of soy protein from trader joes and shitload of vermiculite so I figured I'd give it a shot.

So far it's been about 7 days, and I didn't think shit was happening, and was about to dump the whole thing down the drain, when to my surprise I opened on jar, and saw a bunch of mycelia on the top, it wasn't nearly as thick as I was used to, and sort of looked like some mycelia I generated in a water based substrate experiment, I don't think they are metabolizing the vermiculite yet. I put some Ecus in their, and they are doing alright... but I think this may be VERY interesting for the wood lovers, and that's an experiment I'll be starting tommorow... (ps. cyans)


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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In my past experiments, "simple" has proven to bring forth the highest potencies...

peace out
camel in

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Outofthisworld let me know how it turns out.

I added soybeans to the substrate mixture (kinda like Ryches 2nd seed recipe) but mine uses equal parts pure millet with hull and pure flax with hull... in addition I added some wild rice... the mycelium is eating this up! (Ecuadors). Fruiting yeilds are yet to be seen.

Next time I will add more soybean (only 4 tablespoons added to the current mixture)


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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I just added enough soy powder to saturate the water, then used that for the water of the recipe, with only vermiculite in the substrate, besides the soy powder/water. I'll drop a message about it in the Cultivation forum if it's successful. But, it looks like their not really metabolizing the verm yet... we'll see. I'm going to do a test run on the Ps. Cyans with this substrate... I'll probably post a big thing on Ps. Cyan cultivation if I can get it to fruit.

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Well, so far, so good...what happened to those little pictures you can add to your posts?...anyway, the Miracle Gro cake has 18 shrooms growing to be at least 3/4 of an inch, and the other pins don't show any signs of aborting, but I'm new and can't really tell for sure. Actually, the ones that pinned by themselves are growing good, but the clusters(about 8 to 20 pins each) are lagging. My other cakes are sucking ass. They may have 4 or 5 pins and none are really growing to well.

God I hope that the miracle grow didn't fuck up the potency of these things. It would be a damn shame.


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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God, I can't wait to hear your "Trip Report" :smile: Bet you will see all kinds of pretty colors while looking at a rose :smile: Come to think of it, a daisy would be nice too (LOL)

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Im just relocating a old post. No one really concluded the miracle grow issue so maybe someone has some insight now?

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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also would like to hear input of how it turned out acidmaster..

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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It probably killed him... *smiles*.
Or a permanent level 5 experience?

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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any update?

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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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Is the miricle grow Nutrients or Chemicals. thats the only reason i havent used yet. i am not all about eating mushrooms grown in chemicals. your better off useing stuff more organic

just a thought
WhOrEsHaCk


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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I am certainly an advocate for learning and experimentation, and for this I applaud AcidMaster's attempts(and by his name, I assume he has no problem dealing with unhealthy chemicals :smile: )

But, more pins does not always equal more mushrooms. Nutrition is the best way to go, and as Camel stated, simple usually yields the best.

If this were a magic formula, I'm sure we'd know about it by now. Whether we're informed by Paul Stamets, or PF, we'd know.

At any rate, though. Keep up the good work. And as everyone else said, I wanna know the results as well.


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Re: Hundreds of Pins on One 1/2 Pint Cake
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an interesting old thread.
the 'for roses' item is significant, in that it's especially formulated with lower nitrogen and more phosphorus than ordinary miracle grow, to promote flowering in plants.
somehow i doubt, though, that he found the 'holy grail' of shroom cultivation.
but just in case, i'll check it out.

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