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DiMethyl Tryptamine and Sleep
    #6640340 - 03/06/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, this is, to me, a VERY interesting topic. If any of u have ever tried DMT, or Dimethyl Tryptamine, which technically we all have, then u should know what im discussing.

A lil background: DMT is the chemical that induces the most vivid hallucinations of any psychedelic and can be found in Ayahuasca plants. DMT is the molecule which all other psychedelics try to mimic when in the brain. Rick Strassman, of University of New Mexico, has done many studies on the drug and was actually one of the few scientists in the country allowed to do research with psychedelics since the 60's. He states that DMT can be found in the body which means there must be a source inside the body. This source would be the pineal gland right in the very center of our brain. And interestingly enough, when we fall asleep, there is the perfect proportion of certain chemicals flowing through the body to help produce DMT inside this gland. The only evidence of this occuring is in our dreams. Dreams are believed to be caused by DMT release in the brain, and if u want to look at this advantageously, u trip every single night when u go to sleep.

So, the discussion arises with my own personal experiments between lucid dreaming and DMT. When i go to bed, or when we all go to bed, what occurs in the brain to allow the body to fall asleep is basically a gradual progression of thoughts going from voluntarily produced to involuntarily produced. I have the ability to detect when the first seemingly involuntarily produced thought occurs and i can instantly awaken myself to discover what other feelings may be associated with the brain going into subconscious mode. The answer can only be the release of some sort of a drug. I describe the feeling as a slight rush that flows through the body the same way lightheadedness does after youve smoked a bunch of herb and then stand up really fast. This same feeling is what keeps you from being able to get out of bed in the morning, its a very comfortable and captivating feeling. This is not the only observation i had but i was able to compare the initial effects of small doses of DMT to the same feelings i get when my first involuntarily produced thought occurs. Such as anxiousness, slight temporary paralization, uncomfortabil.ty with perception, forgetfulness of an intense experience, etc. Im not saying these things to brag about my abilities, i am saying these things to allow my fellow stoner/psychonaut friends to become interested in the science of hallucination.

A hallucination is described as seeing or perceiving something that is not actually there. Most people believe that psychedelics, like lsd and shrooms, can produce hallucinations, which they can, but not by themselves. The DMT molecule is the standard "hallucinogen" molecule. All hallucinogenic molecules (lsd, psilocin, etc.) have a remarkable similarity in structure to DMT. When in your system, they fool the brain into thinking you are hallucinating, dreaming, or reacting to DMT synthesis. Thus rendering the term "dream-like state" to be completely logical. Just like the chemical proportions in your brain when you fall asleep, having lsd or psilocin flowing through your system can trigger chemical release. These chemicals, when released, offer the same chemical environment for your brain as when you begin to dream. For instance, you are tripping shrooms. You are having an awesome time and absolutely digging the perceptual change. This perceptual change means chemical change in the brain and the brain has more of a chance to exhibit characteristics typical of sleep-induced dreaming. Or in other words, the release of DMT. You can almost say that tripping is like dreaming while awake. Ever wonder why you cant remember your dreams? Most people who have experienced taking DMT say they have an intense experience, and unless they write things down, shortly after the trips end, they no longer remember what occurred very well. With assuming that all humans have the same tolerance to DMT, those of us that can not remember our dreams at all have a high chance of intense DMT synthesis in the brain while asleep. This offers clues to that persons own unique biology.

If you ever begin to try to recognize these involuntary thoughts on your own while asleep, do be careful. When i become aware that im beginning to dream, i realize im almost paralyzed with an inability to withdraw from what seems to be a strange DMT experience. It can be somewhat scary and somewhat uncomfortable but knowing that this is probably the culprit to "alien abduction" experiences, it makes you feel a lot more knowledgable of the mysterious world of hallucinations. The symptoms i feel are very similar to what i read in DMT trip reports and i am, without a doubt, almost completely positive that dreaming and tripping occur solely because of the brains natural ability to produce DMT. I believe studies with these topics should be frequented in the neurological world of today in the hopes of allowing all people of the world to be comfortable with the selective use of psychedelics for spiritual or personal discovery.

If any of this interests you, search Rick Strassman and DMT:The Spirit Molecule over the net and you will get more detailed info.


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Re: DiMethyl Tryptamine and Sleep [Re: Ellezdey]
    #6640398 - 03/06/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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With assuming that all humans have the same tolerance to DMT, those of us that can not remember our dreams at all have a high chance of intense DMT synthesis in the brain while asleep. This offers clues to that persons own unique biology.








The symptoms i feel are very similar to what i read in DMT trip reports and i am, without a doubt, almost completely positive that dreaming and tripping occur solely because of the brains natural ability to produce DMT.






I disagree with these two statements. For starters remembering ones dreams doesnt depend on the amount of chemicals released in your brain at night. Its just a matter of remembering. All peoples lives they teach themselves forget everything while they sleep. This can be easily changed merely by writing them down and training yourself to remember. I believe the exact opposite. Within a week i can go from remembering 4 dreams a night to zero. For me the more dreams i can remember the more vivid they become. Also certain substances people take can drastically effect there dream recall and memory in general.

A for the second quote, I feel that DMT being released might play a minor part in dreaming but not much of one. Awareness in organisms is a function of the brain. Your sensory organs detect information such as noises odors and flavors in the outside world and send that information to the brain. The brain then takes all this info, puts it together and shows you what is happening in the nearby environment. While awake and active the model accurately reflects your relationship to the external world. If you are not doing anything the input moves from external to internal. Your mind wanders and you day dream. You will be viewing worlds that are not actually in front of you. Now when your asleep same thing happens but so little sensory input is coming from the outside world that you have no conscious model of it and your brain is activated enough to create a world model, also known as a dream. What im trying to say is your brain does the same thing awake as it does when you are asleep its just creating environments off a blank slate rather than using a physical one.


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Re: DiMethyl Tryptamine and Sleep [Re: Ellezdey]
    #6640401 - 03/06/07 04:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: DiMethyl Tryptamine and Sleep [Re: DeathCompany]
    #6641503 - 03/06/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Your brain is not doing the same thing awake as asleep, different chemicals, including melatonin are produced and realeased depending on the time of day and the amount of natural light being received. Read The Spirit Molecule; it's science yo.


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Re: DiMethyl Tryptamine and Sleep [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6641527 - 03/06/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I have read the spirit molecule, a lot of the book is theory, including the fact that DMT is found in the pineal gland. I have also read a lot of books on dreaming and astral projection which talk about what our brain does in those states.. What I'm saying is your brain processes information the same way whether its asleep or awake.


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