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More police lies.
#6640391 - 03/06/07 04:00 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I'm helping my friend move into his new house and we're borrowing one of his friends truck, who apparently had old tags, and of course this friend forgets to notify us of it and my friend didn't bother to check the tag ( idiot ). So needless to say, we end up getting pulled over by the police, had to spend time looking for insurance information. Since my friend is in the military he comes up with a good excuse as to why the tags are expired, and the officer would end up having to talk to the Sargent and I suppose he was lazy that day. Well I'm sitting in my passenger seat and suddenly he cop comes over to my window and asks for my license, no problem, no warrants so he can go ahead and waste his time. Then, he comes up and asks my friend for his license, then suddenly claims to my friend " Why are you shaking, you're shaking why are you afraid, you're shaking" orders us out of the car and then another unit shows up with a dog. They search the car, and of course find nothing ( Never drive with anything illegal unless you absolutely have to). I've always wondered if "shaking" is even close to probable cause, but, just another example of the police lying to catch someone.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Beebo]
#6640423 - 03/06/07 04:47 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Why are you shaking
Parkinson's disease; I hope it isn't illegal to be sick, officer.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Seuss]
#6640428 - 03/06/07 04:53 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: More police lies. [Re: MAGnum]
#6640508 - 03/06/07 06:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesnt matter...they dont need probably cause for the drug dog to come. The drug dog gives them probable cause to go further.
Did you ever once exert your rights? Did you ever once say "stop, i dont give my permission to search". They dont have to get your permission explicitly, if you dont say they cant search, then in the eyes of the court you are allowing them to search. It can be argued later, but probably not successfully.
I know people think "I have nothing on me, ill just let this cop violate my rights all he wants"...bullshit, I hate that. People need to stop being pussys and stand up for themselves. I dont want a cop touching me or anything I own without a warrant. If they do, they are going to hear about it. Too many cops think its just fine to violate people's rights, because people like the thread starter go ahead and let them search without a problem anyways.
If everyone would start standing up for themselves, and their rights, then there would be alot less searches. They wouldnt just try to search everyone anymore, because they would know people would put up a legal fight. Instead, everyone just allows the illegal search, not only putting themselves in danger (dirty cops exist, dont think you wont get something planted on you), and others that dont know their rights in danger in the future.
Im sure the cop thanks you for stroking his ego as your fear allowed him to search without any reason. I'd have been bitching there, and if they continued to search, id be on my cell with my lawyer and recording the whole thing. That way, a complaint could be filed for violating my constitutional rights. We recently had a few cops fired because enough people complained about them violating rights, and there is a federal lawsuit against our sheriff for violating constitutional rights during an illegal search. Stand up for yourself, and get the dirty pigs off the streets...if they are going to violate the Constitution then they belong behind bars more than any drug user out there.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: dedjam]
#6640840 - 03/06/07 10:03 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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gopenguins said: Doesnt matter...they dont need probably cause for the drug dog to come. The drug dog gives them probable cause to go further.
Did you ever once exert your rights? Did you ever once say "stop, i dont give my permission to search". They dont have to get your permission explicitly, if you dont say they cant search, then in the eyes of the court you are allowing them to search. It can be argued later, but probably not successfully.
I know people think "I have nothing on me, ill just let this cop violate my rights all he wants"...bullshit, I hate that. People need to stop being pussys and stand up for themselves. I dont want a cop touching me or anything I own without a warrant. If they do, they are going to hear about it. Too many cops think its just fine to violate people's rights, because people like the thread starter go ahead and let them search without a problem anyways.
If everyone would start standing up for themselves, and their rights, then there would be alot less searches. They wouldnt just try to search everyone anymore, because they would know people would put up a legal fight. Instead, everyone just allows the illegal search, not only putting themselves in danger (dirty cops exist, dont think you wont get something planted on you), and others that dont know their rights in danger in the future.
Im sure the cop thanks you for stroking his ego as your fear allowed him to search without any reason. I'd have been bitching there, and if they continued to search, id be on my cell with my lawyer and recording the whole thing. That way, a complaint could be filed for violating my constitutional rights. We recently had a few cops fired because enough people complained about them violating rights, and there is a federal lawsuit against our sheriff for violating constitutional rights during an illegal search. Stand up for yourself, and get the dirty pigs off the streets...if they are going to violate the Constitution then they belong behind bars more than any drug user out there.
i was with a friend once and told him not to give concent. the cop arrested me for no reason. sitting in jail well over 14 hours before i can even make a phone call. at that time i was handed my papers with jail number, police report, etc.
i was arrested for disorderly intox....completely bogus. cop made up a false report on how i was practicaly drenched in liquor and i couldnt even talk.
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blizzietomyhiz said: i was with a friend once and told him not to give concent. the cop arrested me for no reason. sitting in jail well over 14 hours before i can even make a phone call. at that time i was handed my papers with jail number, police report, etc.
i was arrested for disorderly intox....completely bogus. cop made up a false report on how i was practicaly drenched in liquor and i couldnt even talk.
Ok? Did you bitch about your rights? Did you contact your lawyer? If you couldnt afford one, did you stand up for yourself. Did you contact the human rights commission in your area? Local ACLU? File a report with your local police watchdog agency?
Id sit in jail for 14 hours on a bogus charge, just more money id get in the long run.
Maybe more Americans should start spending time to learn and understand the system that screws them over all the time, instead of just accepting what happens? Then again, most americans are lazy and will just give up if it doesnt go their way anyways.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: dedjam]
#6641743 - 03/06/07 02:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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blizzietomyhiz said: i was with a friend once and told him not to give concent. the cop arrested me for no reason. sitting in jail well over 14 hours before i can even make a phone call. at that time i was handed my papers with jail number, police report, etc.
i was arrested for disorderly intox....completely bogus. cop made up a false report on how i was practicaly drenched in liquor and i couldnt even talk.
Ok? Did you bitch about your rights? Did you contact your lawyer? If you couldnt afford one, did you stand up for yourself. Did you contact the human rights commission in your area? Local ACLU? File a report with your local police watchdog agency?
Id sit in jail for 14 hours on a bogus charge, just more money id get in the long run.
Maybe more Americans should start spending time to learn and understand the system that screws them over all the time, instead of just accepting what happens? Then again, most americans are lazy and will just give up if it doesnt go their way anyways.
i talked to quite a few people. nobody seemd to care what i had to say. fat cuban cop.
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Re: More police lies. *DELETED* [Re: Beebo]
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Re: More police lies. [Re: roby000]
#6641784 - 03/06/07 02:49 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beebo said: So I'm helping my friend move into his new house and we're borrowing one of his friends truck, who apparently had old tags, and of course this friend forgets to notify us of it and my friend didn't bother to check the tag ( idiot ). So needless to say, we end up getting pulled over by the police, had to spend time looking for insurance information. Since my friend is in the military he comes up with a good excuse as to why the tags are expired, and the officer would end up having to talk to the Sargent and I suppose he was lazy that day. Well I'm sitting in my passenger seat and suddenly he cop comes over to my window and asks for my license, no problem, no warrants so he can go ahead and waste his time. Then, he comes up and asks my friend for his license, then suddenly claims to my friend " Why are you shaking, you're shaking why are you afraid, you're shaking" orders us out of the car and then another unit shows up with a dog. They search the car, and of course find nothing ( Never drive with anything illegal unless you absolutely have to). I've always wondered if "shaking" is even close to probable cause, but, just another example of the police lying to catch someone.
shaking isnt prbable cause however is your physical apperance that of a drug user (long hair is not associated with loving cakes) and was the truck a truck that looked like it was used by some backwoods hillbilly to make meth? you have to understand physical apperance is 99% of your innocence. i personally dont know how you look but i do see alot of kids with mohawks and fuck athority tshirts wondering why the cops badger them.
cops will lie through their teeth to get someone in trouble. they can arrest you if youre walking down the street if they like. disorderly intox. "the kid smelled like reefer and beer, slurring, and couldnt walk right"
your word against a MORON in a police uniform. good luck in court.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Beebo]
#6641840 - 03/06/07 03:06 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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We don't look like drug users, no long hair, shaved, nice clothes. The truck was a newer ford, paint wasn't scratched or anything. I just think he was upset that he couldent " stick it to us" so he wanted to try and tag us for anything. Also Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person; has been, is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity; such suspicion is not a mere hunch. Police may also, based solely on reasonable suspicion of a threat to safety, frisk a suspect for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. A combination of particular facts, even if individually innocuous, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion.
So my friend, who does shake alot ( I have no idea why, he's like one of those little dogs that jitter all the time) is driving a car with expired registration, with a truck bed full of furnature and a few t.v.'s and the driver is shaking. So with all of these you then deny the search, I wonder if then that'd give them probable cause.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: roby000]
#6642168 - 03/06/07 04:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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i hate cops
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Re: More police lies. [Re: KaptKid]
#6643969 - 03/07/07 01:22 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep, police interaction has a lot to do with appearance and attitude. If you look like a scared kid then they're going to try and scare you. If you've been around the block a few times and they realize that you're going to have more fun with them then they are with you, then they'll most likely leave you alone.
One time I was on the freeway and I came up behind a cop doing 5 under. So I slowed down a bit, then he slowed down a little more, then I got off at the next exit. I waited about 5 minutes then got back on the freeway. All of those things were mistakes, just to point that out. But I had just bought the car and it had expired tabs and a very dusty license plate cover, so I figured that I'd get yanked if I passed him.
Anyways I rolled up on the same cop again. He had slowed way down. I guess he was wise to the get off and on again trick. So of course he yanked me.
He started grilling me on why I got off the freeway, why the car wasn't transferred, why the plate was covered, etc. I straight out told him that I figured he would pull me over if I passed him. Anyways, he spotted some rolling papers on the seat and said "What's that?" So I held up the rolling papers... Skunk brand hemp rolling papers. He said "Do you know what that makes me think?" I just said "I know, what of it?"
So then he wanted to search the car. I told him that I never, ever allow searches, but considering the situation, and the fact that there was easily over 1 foot of trash all through the car that he could go ahead and search. He glanced in the back a couple times and decided not to search me, then let me go.
Every other time I've always said no to searches and just stood my ground. I've had cops hollering at me, even threatening me, but in the end they've always backed down.
So if they ever want to search just tell them flat out "NO, I don't consent to any searches, ever!" No matter what else they say after that just say "Officer am I free to go, or are you detaining me?"
That asserts your intent to leave and forces them into the position where they are detaining you. If they have no cause then they can't detain you for long, if at all.
Cops will lie their asses off though, so remember that. You still have to cooperate, even if you're being a hardass with them.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: fastfred]
#6644045 - 03/07/07 02:31 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's fine to reject searches, but remember to just remain cool and polite because you have nothing to hide, but don't concent to him oversteping his authority. But always remember that the police can hold you for 24 hours to continue their " investigation". It's rare that this happens, but, it's legal for them to do.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Beebo]
#6644183 - 03/07/07 03:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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> But always remember that the police can hold you for 24 hours to continue their " investigation".
They have to have something to hold you that long. They are just required to charge you with something before a certain time period. I always thought it was 48 hours, but I could be wrong.
They can't even arrest you without probable cause, let alone hold you for 24 hours. I've read a few news articles where charges were thrown out because of them detaining someone long enough to get a drug dog. If they can get a drug dog there quickly then there's nothing you can do about it, but if it takes them longer than a normal stop would take for what tickets they would have written you then that's illegally detaining you.
A speeding ticket or a ticket for expired tabs might take 30 minutes tops to deal with. So if they kept you for more than an hour to get a drug dog or just to hassle you, you should be able to pretty easily beat any charges arising from it.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: fastfred]
#6644301 - 03/07/07 05:14 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know that in the united states you can be held for 24 hours for " questioning" before they are either released or charged with a crime, at least thats what habeas corpus says. I could be misinterpreting it but I've been digging into this.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Beebo]
#6644448 - 03/07/07 06:54 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beebo said: I know that in the united states you can be held for 24 hours for " questioning" before they are either released or charged with a crime, at least thats what habeas corpus says. I could be misinterpreting it but I've been digging into this.
Depends on the circumstances. If its a routine traffic stop, im pretty sure they can only hold you for 2 hours (could be off on that) without getting a warrant to hold you longer. Didnt the supreme court hear a case based on this last year? Maybe it was just some states supreme court though...
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Re: More police lies. [Re: Beebo]
#6644536 - 03/07/07 08:06 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've always wondered if "shaking" is even close to probable cause
It's not probable cause, but it IS probable suspicion.
Probable suspicion is not actionable, but the more items of probable suspicion a cop notices, the longer he will detain you and the more likely he will call for a drug dog.
If a dog indicates, THEN it's probable cause and your car can be searched.
Other items of probable suspicion include things like the driver and passenger story not agreeing, the car not belonging to the driver, the registration or insurance papers not right, and so on.
There's a good explanation of these legal concepts and how to avoid them in this video. It's made by an ex-narcotics cop and includes an interesting section showing how a dog handler can deliberately induce a dog to false-indicate so you'll know what to look for if you ever have a dog search inflicted on you.
Check it out.
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Re: More police lies. [Re: roby000]
#6647505 - 03/08/07 12:43 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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"shaking isnt prbable cause however is your physical apperance that of a drug user (long hair is not associated with loving cakes) and was the truck a truck that looked like it was used by some backwoods hillbilly to make meth?"
I agree, but you have to watch out. If you shake and make the cop want to search you, he can then find any other factor's to officially justify this to the court if the search is challenged- and he might win. In this supreme court case, it was found that the driver's unremarkable acts, were enough to stop his car.
"We think it quite reasonable that a driver’s slowing down, stiffening of posture, and failure to acknowledge a sighted law enforcement officer might well be unremarkable in one instance (such as a busy San Francisco highway) while quite unusual in another (such as a remote portion of rural southeastern Arizona). Stoddard was entitled to make an assessment of the situation in light of his specialized training and familiarity with the customs of the area’s inhabitants" See: U.S. v. Arvizu at http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1519.ZO.html
While the idiot in this case allowed the search of his marijuana-laden car, the stop itself, based only on legal acts deemed suspicious by the cop, was held reasonable- and that's the point. The cops can lie or even tell the truth and prevail so long as they enumerate enough stuff that appeal's to the court's prejudices- long hair, bad car, you're scrubby et cet
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