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 Rono
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Doobie my friend, Bad things is ALL we hear about the Bush administration...
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Rono
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 Re: A New Hope  [Re: Rono]
#664123 - 06/05/02 10:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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FBI whistleblower quizzed
By THOMAS FERRARO
WASHINGTON - - Congressional staff members arranged to question an FBI whistle-blower on Wednesday while a former head of the CIA's counterterrorism center prepared to testify as the first witness in a probe of the failure of U.S. intelligence to thwart the Sept. 11 attacks, aides said.
The FBI and CIA are the subject of the probe by the Senate and House intelligence committees after a string of disclosures that they failed to share information that could have warned of the attacks, and the Bush administration has been criticized for not being open enough about what it knew.
Some committee staffers headed to the FBI's headquarters in Washington on Wednesday to interview Coleen Rowley, a Minneapolis agent who has been critical of the agency's brass, while others briefed the committees on Capitol Hill on the information they had collected since beginning to prepare for the joint probe in February.
Staffers have interviewed hundreds of personnel from the CIA, FBI and other federal agencies and have also reviewed hundreds of thousands of pages of documents since they began to prepare for the joint House-Senate probe in February.
Rowley complained in a May 21 letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller that FBI headquarters should have approved a request from its Minneapolis office for a search warrant involving Zacarias Moussaoui, who was being held in August after arousing suspicions at a Minnesota flight school.
Moussaoui was in custody in Minnesota when the September attacks occurred but was charged in December with conspiring to carry out the attacks. Authorities suspect he intended to join the 19 men who hijacked four passenger planes that day.
In the 13-page letter, Rowley said FBI officials in Washington "continued to, almost inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine" efforts to obtain a warrant .
Separately, Cofer Black, a 27-year veteran of the CIA and head of its counterterrorism center in September, may be called before a closed-door meeting of the intelligence committees of the Senate and House of Representatives as early as Thursday, aides said.
Black, 52, who a decade ago helped capture guerrilla leader "Carlos the Jackal," was head of the Counterterrorist Center at the CIA on Sept. 11. As part of a normal rotation, he recently finished a three-year stint in the post and now awaits another senior assignment.
Congressional aides said Black's appearance before the intelligence committees may be delayed until next week if the panels determine they need more time to be briefed by their own staffers about the Sept. 11 attacks that killed about 3,000 people in New York, outside Washington and in Pennsylvania.
Both Rowley and Mueller are to make separate appearance on Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Rowley is expected to be called as a witness before the intelligence committees, but no date has been set.
Mueller is expected to testify before the intelligence committees the week of June 24 when the hearings are expected to be open to the public.
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Interesting Link on news misinformation in the US
http://www.hermes-press.com/nonews.htm
more stuff
http://www.cursor.org/
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hongomon
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Re: A New Hope [Re: PGF]
#664490 - 06/05/02 02:56 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great idea, PGF, you have my support.
I hope that posters of all views feel comfortable posting their ideas here. That no-flaming rule is good because it works both ways.
I completely agree with papaver that apathy is a major, fundamental concern. It's also an area we can all agree on, right, left, up, down, whatever. --At least, all of us within the paradigm of democracy, which is designed to empower the people.
I would be interested in reading some varying views of this problem, what it entails, how to address it, etc.
hongomon
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zepphead
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Re: A New Hope [Re: PGF]
#664960 - 06/05/02 07:32 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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granted there are definately problems with our government, however, would you still not agree that america has the most sufficient government, per capita, its a hell of a lot easier to govern a few 100 thousand than it is a couple billion. our government will never reach perfection, we have to live with that.
i am always for pressing the issues that i'm concerned with, but as a whole our democracy is not that bad.
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Rono
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Re: A New Hope [Re: zepphead]
#667343 - 06/07/02 10:17 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another excellent link with references...
Finishing the Jigsaw Puzzle
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hongomon
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Re: A New Hope [Re: zepphead]
#667370 - 06/07/02 10:38 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed. Democracy is a system that offers power to the people. And now, we see that it doesn't guarantee power to the people. It doesn't empower apathy.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: A New Hope [Re: hongomon]
#667387 - 06/07/02 10:55 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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The US is not a democracy.
It is a constitutional republic.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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hongomon
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There's a difference between "democracy" and "a democracy." You don't mean there's no democracy in the U.S., do you?
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Papaver
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 Re: A New Hope [Re: hongomon]
#668119 - 06/07/02 09:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hongomon said > Democracy is a system that offers power to the people. And now, we see that it doesn't guarantee power to the people. It doesn't empower apathy.
IMHO an Excellent Point!!! 
luvdemshrooms said > The US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic.
True, but our votes still count in an abstract (once or twice removed) sort of way, and I think we need to remember this and not become disillusioned.
I also think, that as a consumer-driven economy, we have a great deal of democratic power in the marketplace. In a lot of ways corporations run the show, and they?re not subject to election, but they are subject to making a profit and this is where we have some power.
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