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Owning Land
    #6631702 - 03/03/07 05:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All right, one of main ambitions is to own some land. It doesn't have to be a lot of land, but I would love to own some land. Its gotta be wooded, perhaps hilly, upon which I can have a custom-built house.

So who else is interested in owning land? Who here does own land? Does anyone know how much one would expect to pay as far as taxes and fees are concerned? I can search a website and find land and a price, but I'm wondering about the taxes, which I haven't found anything about by searching.

I realize that it will lie dependant upon the state in particular, how much land you own, and etc. This land would be out in the country, not within city limits.

Anyone? :cool:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631746 - 03/03/07 05:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It is completely dependent upon location (like a lot of other things).

I would assume that if you bought several acres of land, out in the middle of nowhere the taxes would be very low.

Of all places to look, check ebay. I found a listing for 5.12 acres in western Texas, the dexription said taxes were less than $50, and it looks like it'll go for under $2K.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631751 - 03/03/07 05:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would worry more about the actual price of the land rather than the taxes. Property taxes tend to lower the price of land, so the two tend to even each other out. At least, that's my understanding of it.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631786 - 03/03/07 05:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Who here does own land?





I have 85 acres, it's about 20% wooded, with a couple of ponds, taxes run about
$1400/year, I bought the place at about half the market value



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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631787 - 03/03/07 05:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i own land but the land i own is protected nature by laws and cannot be build anything on, not that i would have if i wanted but im not allowed to build a hut even on over 80% of the land i own because of extremly rare plants that only lives there. The remaining 20% is mostly rocks which cannot be used for anything useful. But i love my land, its a beatuful piece of arctic nature and i wouldnt want to change it for anything or any kind of money,

I found out last week that about a thousand reindeers had a couple of days stop there on their journey north. its a popular stop for many animals , both domestic and wild ones.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6631858 - 03/03/07 06:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Who here does own land?





I have 85 acres, it's about 20% wooded, with a couple of ponds, taxes run about
$1400/year, I bought the place at about half the market value







What do you do with your land?


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6631887 - 03/03/07 06:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

organic farm


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6631891 - 03/03/07 06:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That's sweet, I'd love to own a large piece of land, around California maybe.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6631903 - 03/03/07 06:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Those taxes seem like they wouldn't be bad for that much land. I've discovered that they are just called property taxes so that should make it easier to find information. I really wouldn't need more than a few acres, but a lot of wooded area would be excellent so I could have enough dead trees to chop up as firewood. :thumbup:

Probably will move back to Wisconsin or something and get land there. :shrug:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631911 - 03/03/07 06:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

dead trees dont make for good fire wood, they do make good lumber if they're early
in the decay process, generaly out in the styx firewood is cheap and plentiful, I
pay about $50 a truck load so I dont have to kill off my trees

although the pines must die!


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631934 - 03/03/07 06:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Forest land should be pretty cheap.  The most expensive properties tend to be in urban centers.  Good luck! :thumbup:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6631935 - 03/03/07 06:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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dead trees dont make for good fire wood




Well, live trees don't make good fire wood, so I'm wondering where you get your fire wood. :grin:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Silversoul]
    #6631937 - 03/03/07 06:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

usualy one of the things considered in pricing land with trees is the value of the trees for harvesting as lumber or pulp


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Silversoul]
    #6631938 - 03/03/07 06:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well it'll be a few years yet, unfortunately. I am a little bit in debt, which should change soon enough, and then I'd like to start saving and investing. I don't know too much about it all yet but I know that I want to own land, build a house to my own specifications, and possibly retire early.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6631968 - 03/03/07 06:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well actualy, with the new out door wood burners wet green wood is perfect. fence line trees like boxelder and "scrub trees" popel and birch burn very well. as to taxes in WI it is one of the highest taxed states. 3 acers out in the middle of nowhere with no trees, just a house and a shed 5500 ish in taxes. wooded land gets taxed as recreational ground. putting wooded land in to dnr programs is usualy the only chance you have to get out of some nasty taxes up there.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: deucydoo]
    #6631973 - 03/03/07 06:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well hello there Mr. Newb Buzz kill. :mad:

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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6631992 - 03/03/07 07:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You can also buy bare land, plant mixed species of hardwood/conifer. Then log it or sell of some of the timber to pay your taxes, 10 15 years or longer down the line.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6632059 - 03/03/07 07:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

you can also lease it for hunting and pay the taxes that way


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6632208 - 03/03/07 08:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

but there is SOOO much to research if youre trying to plant a forest. especially hardwoods. people get whole bachelors degrees on that.

deer, weeds, nutes, pests, pesticides, diseases, burning, etc...it goes on and on.

you might wanna look at reclaiming old farmland. preferably soy-bean fields which have been abandoned. dont get ranched land, that stuff is useless.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Colbadol]
    #6632222 - 03/03/07 08:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Another possibility, now that you mention farm land, is getting some land in Iowa. Perhaps when my grandparents stop farming I could take over? It isn't enough to live off of but I'm sure it would be enough to pay taxes. That would be sweet as hell, pack up a bowl at 4 in the morning and head on out in the tractor. :cool:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6632257 - 03/03/07 08:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you're gonna buy some farmland, I've got a business proposal you might wanna get in on. PM me if interested.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6632277 - 03/03/07 08:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Who here does own land?





I have 85 acres, it's about 20% wooded, with a couple of ponds, taxes run about
$1400/year, I bought the place at about half the market value






How's that monster problem working out??

I would like to own some land further down the road (in life, not down the road from you, no offense but I don't lie monsters), not sure where though really.


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Re: Owning Land [Re: jewunit]
    #6632364 - 03/03/07 09:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well, i actually have some good input on this subject,
I run a company that develops land in rural nevada....

you can get an entire square mile, thats 640 acres, for under 50,000, i think that i paid $46,000 for mine if memory serves me right. I broke it down into smaller parcels that i sell online.

as for all of that land. on e-bay, there are alot of catches that you wont see..... most of it is not legally buildable (you cant build a house on under XXX amoutn of acres.

Also there is a question of legal access, which is not always gauranteed as you might be in the middle of all private fenced land.

there is title fraud, you should always buy land with title insurance

also, alot of the plats of land for sale on e-bay done even have surveys done. that means that your land definately exists on paper, but is not physocally located or staked at the corners in any way.

I know with my land, the section has been stakedc(required by law for my nevada to make smaller parcels) but that is the entire 640 acres, none of the smaller parcels have been individually staked. they all will have clearly defined boundaries, but having a surveyor come out and stake your parcel corners is not cheap, and also required for any building permit.

also, making sure that the property is free of any lines and back taxes is an important step to making sure that the property you gget is free of any un-wanted incumberances.

if you are going to go buy land on e-bay, there are deals, but do your self a favor and do alot of research. call the county where the property lies and talk to the planning and building divisions as well as the assessors office, find out as much as you can.

drop me a pm if you want, i have spent alot of time in this area and would be happy to help you out.

and also if you just want a nice 40 acres in nevada where you can do what ever the hell you want, let me know, because i have some land for sale :smile:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6632388 - 03/03/07 09:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

ohh also, "owner financing"

this is where on an auction your bid is the downpayment on a much larger purchase price which you have to make monthly installments towards.


depending on what youre looing to get, its usually a bad idea for the following reasons.
- youre goingt o pay a miuch higher price than if you havd just bought it outright
- if you miss a single payment, you have to pay the remaining balance by the next due date or you loose everything! (aka baloon payment)


its a great deal for the seller though :wink:


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Re: Owning Land [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6632397 - 03/03/07 09:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Towns offer free land to newcomers
By John Ritter, USA TODAY
ELLSWORTH, Kan. — Billy and Sheila Canaan just wanted out of Baton Rouge. They didn't expect to be bit players in a new movement to keep the Great Plains from emptying.
Billy gave up a $90,000-a-year deputy sheriff's job for one that pays a third as much. Sheila kept slipping on the thick ice of a bitter Kansas winter and broke a rib. Son Clayton reluctantly started his senior year at a new high school. To their Cajun palates, Midwest cooking had all the zing of roasted cardboard. (Clayton keeps hot sauce in his locker.)

So why Kansas, when other rural states offer the same unhurried pace and relaxed lifestyle the Canaans sought? And why Ellsworth, a town of 2,900 with one grocery store, one stoplight and no mall, no fast food and no movie theater?

Free land is why. Ellsworth's pitch is this: Agree to build a house here and pay nothing for the lot it's on. Got three kids in school? OK, that's worth $3,000 toward a down payment. Need jobs? We'll help you find them. Still not sure? Come visit, we'll show you around.

The Canaans say crime and poor schools drove them from Baton Rouge. "Ellsworth has everything you could want," says Billy, 34, now a corrections officer at the prison here. "It's quiet. You don't have to worry about your kids. Very low crime rate. Lots of recreation."

The proactive mind-set here and in at least five other Kansas towns that give away lots to lure new residents (www.kansasfreeland.com) is one wrinkle in a new economic development strategy sweeping across rural America.

The goal is to reverse decades of population loss from the decline of small family farms and businesses, expand the tax base, keep schools from closing and preserve a way of life. "I guess we're so stubborn that we're not going to let our town die," says Steve Piper, mayor of Marquette, Kan.

For years, dying towns hustled the big score — a company with a big workforce — to turn their fortunes around.

It usually didn't work. Too much competition for too few companies. Or, a company came, went belly up and left an unemployment line.

"The chances of getting one are slim in the abstract, and now we have 50 years of experience that shows it doesn't happen in practice either," says Frank Popper, an urban studies professor at Rutgers University. It was Popper and his wife, Deborah, who in the 1980s advanced the theory — unpopular in small towns — that a Great Plains population bust was inevitable and that vast stretches should be returned to the buffalo.

One family at a time

Today, "elephant hunting" — going after the big company — is giving way to "economic gardening."

The new mantra is don't waste time and money trolling for a major employer; instead, build one family at a time. Encourage small-business start-ups and develop aggressive local leaders. Fight "brain drain" by reaching into high schools and finding students willing to return after college. Nurture them with internships or hitch them to a business owner looking to retire.

Ask seniors to will 5% of their estates to the town they love to endow economic development. Preach entrepreneurship and the promise of the Internet economy.

Perhaps 30 towns, mostly in the upper Midwest, have embraced this "hometown competitiveness" strategy developed by the Center for Rural Entrepreneurship in Lincoln, Neb. Word is spreading, co-director Don Macke says: "There's been an explosion of interest, particularly in the last 24 months."

When the W.K. Kellogg Foundation announced it would award $8 million in grants for four rural entrepreneurship centers, more than 180 communities applied.

For more than 150 years, rural America thrived because it had a competitive advantage: low-cost land and labor. Today, other countries have seized that advantage.

"Rural places have to find a new way to compete, and that comes from being entrepreneurial. It's a necessity," says Jason Henderson, senior economist with the Center for the Study of Rural America at the Federal Reserve Bank in Kansas City, Mo.

The challenges are daunting. Rural Americans live on 80% of the land but make up just 20% of the population. On average, they're older, earn lower wages and are more likely to be poor than metro dwellers. Resource industries that sustained rural regions for decades — agriculture, ranching, timber, mining, oil and gas — are moribund.

In the Plains states of Kansas, Nebraska, North and South Dakota and Oklahoma, 89% of the 2,421 cities and towns have fewer than 3,000 people. Hundreds have fewer than 1,000. Most have been hemorrhaging population for years. Of those states, four grew at less than half the national rate of 4.3% from 2000 to 2004. North Dakota lost 1.2% of its people.

Brain drain or "bright flight" has accelerated, too. For every 1,000 college graduates 25 and older, those five Plains states plus Iowa suffered a net loss of 80.5 graduates over the last four years, according to an analysis of Census migration data by demographer William Frey of the Brookings Institution.

The lure is more than bright lights and warm climates. Today's wired, new-economy metro areas are further distancing themselves from rural areas, "a gap that will be difficult to bridge," Frey says.

Little federal assistance

Popper sees more promise in hometown competitiveness than in soliciting Fortune 500 branch plants. "More of a 21st century feel," he says. But he thinks successful towns will be the exceptions. "We still stick with our sense that a lot of places are going to continue to empty," he says.

Rural towns and counties are mostly on their own. A Kellogg Foundation study last July concluded that "funding for rural development has been a low priority for the federal government," as little as 2% of the Agriculture Department's budget in recent years.

Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., twice failed to get a New Homestead Act through Congress but they're trying again this year. The $30 billion measure would repay portions of college loans if graduates settle in declining rural counties, offer home-buying tax credits, create a small-business investment tax credit and launch a $3 billion venture capital fund.

"It's been hard," Hagel spokesman Mike Buttry says. "It doesn't have much appeal for big urban states."

But economic gardening is affordable and can unite a town. In three years, Valley County, Neb., (population 4,647) has graduated 70 from a leadership class; set up an endowment with $1.2 million willed by a local couple; and hired a business development coordinator. Ord, the county seat, has made seven small-business loans from a 1-cent sales-tax fund.

A wealthy alum living in Arizona flies in to teach a class on growing entrepreneurs. A graduate came home from Lincoln to start an irrigation-well firm. Another plans a local dental practice. The county must attract 27% of its high school's average graduating class of 67 to stabilize the population by 2010.

It won't be easy. "They need an economic opportunity. That's what we've been struggling with," says Bethanne Kunz, the county's economic development director.

Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack's publicized forays to New York and other cities to woo Iowans back at posh receptions netted 1,200 recruits in five years, fewer than those who left the state, according to Frey's analysis. To slow the exodus of graduates, the Legislature is considering a bill to abolish the state income tax for people under 30.

Saving the schools

Free-land offers spread icing on hometown competitiveness. Minneapolis, Kan., was the first. Marquette, 60 miles south, exploited the idea.

Since May, the town has given away all 80 of its free lots and plans to offer more. Twenty new houses have gone up. One hundred new residents boosted the population to 620. A Pennsylvania couple had never seen Kansas until two weeks before their new house was finished. Piper, the mayor, says the town was jolted into action by the threat of losing its elementary school. It lost its high school 20 years ago. A town with no schools is naked against rivals.

Marquette offered the lots, fixed up its downtown, opened a popular motorcycle museum, began promoting tourism and welcomed diversity — including Latinos and a Muslim trucker from California.

In Plainville, Kan. (population 2,029), economic development director Roger Hrabe bought a building with his own money to "incubate" three small-business start-ups. "I stole the idea from a guy in eastern Kansas," he says.

Atwood's location in far northwest Kansas puts the town of 1,279 at a disadvantage in the free-lot sweepstakes — the Canaans who settled in Ellsworth with their three boys thought Atwood "was just too far out there." To would-be residents anxious about the closest Wal-Mart, central Kansas towns shrewdly sell their proximity to cities such as Salina and Hays.

Abundant deer, pheasant, quail and wild turkeys have always drawn hunters to Atwood, and now some of them are staying when they retire. Six free lots have drawn "scads of interest" but no takers, economic development director Arlene Bliss says.

"Retirees from Denver have found out they can sell a very average home for $350,000, come here and buy a beautiful home for $100,000 and pocket the difference," Bliss says.

Ellsworth is close to Salina and has a prison that employs 200. It still rolls out extra goodies, including free water and sewer hookups, free building permits, golf memberships and swimming pool passes. Local lenders reduce house down payments by the free lot's value, about $10,000.

Results of Ellsworth's "welcome home plan" have been encouraging: 24 new residents, four of whom reserved free lots, and 16 new schoolchildren who draw $6,000 apiece in additional state education aid.

Economic development directors like Ellsworth County's Anita Hoffhines are a new breed of small-town civic booster giving an intensely personal touch to business recruitment. They're willing to try almost anything — Internet radio marketing is her latest ploy — if it benefits their towns.

They know small towns will never appeal to the masses. They know high school seniors such as Dustin Engelken and Simon Orozco likely won't return. Dustin is drawn to cities and wants a Foreign Service career. Simon, headed to Harvard University next fall, leans toward medical research.

So Hoffhines targets the few who are comfortable in small places where everybody knows everybody else's business, where an entrepreneur can set up shop and grow. "If you want to be creative in Silicon Valley, the cost is very high," she says. "If you come to central Kansas, you can be very creative and have very low risk in comparison. And the quality of the people here is awesome."


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