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2012( urgent)
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Did you know that the ancient Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojans civilizations all have DOCUMENTED reason as to why 2012 will be the end of a 28,500 year cycle that this planet undergoes. A time where a cataclysmic event will cause great destruction.
According to MODERN scientists( and the history channel) this is also true. It is the time the earth enters and EXACT ALIGNMENT that occurs every 28,500 years with the sun and the PERFECT CENTER of the milky way galaxy. Experts have also discovered a large black hole within the galaxy around the approximate location of the earths position in December 2012. Experts say the earth will possibly tilt on it's axis and see a reversal of the magnetic field, where over the course of one or ten years, Alaska could shift to the equator.
I'm not a huge conspiracy, but can anyone respond as to the validity of these claims? ( I mean I don't believe everything I see on TV, but this shit was backed up by acclaimed scholars on factual evidence shown on a respected TV channel.)
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whatever happens, i'm along for the ride.
if there's truth in planetary pole reversal, then there will not be practically nothing we can do to stop it.
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Old news man, old news. Yeah, the Mayan calendar does end in December (12 or 21?) 2012
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can anyone respond as to the validity of these claims?
Yes they are not valid.
The Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojan civilizations do not have documented reasons as to the end in 2012
According to modern scientists there will be no cataclysmic event in 2012.
The earth's location in 2012 will not be near a large black hole.
If the magnetic field changes (possible, but not probable), Alaska will not shift to the equator.
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The Mayan calendar is the only system that specifically pinpoints 2012. Terrence McKenna later found another correlation to it in the I Ching, but this was his interpretation of it, and the I Ching itself does not specifically mention 2012. Supposedly there's something about 2012 in the Bible Code as well. I'm actually surprised that there aren't more predictions about such a significant astronomical alignment.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Gumby]
#6629502 - 03/02/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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gumby, i once saw the strange creature in your avatar, but with an animated psychedelic background. it was cool. unfortunately i couldn't get a hold onto it, but looking back now i think you'd really like it.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Gumby]
#6629505 - 03/02/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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December 21st I think..
It's NEW news to me that this is the time of the Planetary alignment at the approximate location of a HUGE black hole.
So, if earth is not destroyed by nuclear war by then, Alaska's gonna be in the sun belt or we'll get sucked into the black hole( and find out what happens when that happens) Not only that but several experts also report that certain meteoroid fails will also probably play a role in some of the destruction around the time because of the magnetic shift the earth will literally suck in comets/
The important question is: WHAT HAPPENED TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO when earth was in the same position we will so be in.
I can say one thing, there is going to nbe some HUGE hysteria closer to the time of 2012. I am sure that there will be chaos and riots rampant.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: DieCommie]
#6629507 - 03/02/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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can anyone respond as to the validity of these claims?
Yes they are not valid.
The Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojan civilizations do not have documented reasons as to the end in 2012
According to modern scientists there will be no cataclysmic event in 2012.
The earth's location in 2012 will not be near a large black hole.
If the magnetic field changes (possible, but not probable), Alaska will not shift to the equator.
proof through negation?
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It's going to happen, it would be amazing if we didn't destroy each other with war by then. It's going to happen, not just because we believe it, but that's a part of it. It's going to happen, so are you ready? Better be ready when the lord comes knocking and not still in the field harvesting your grain. As sick as it sounds, I'm kind of hoping life degrades down to the level of man on man and right verse wrong. We can see who has the most guns and guts. In the end... we all die.
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not necessarily dismissing the possibility that there is absolutely nothing to the ancient accounts at all.
but i personally don't believe modern scientists or ancient scientists.
i see what i can see with the instruments i have available. everything else is just reference.
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Will 2012 be the end of an astromonical era? Definitely.
Does this mean mass destruction, hellfire & brimstone? ....................I HIGHLY doubt it. I'll be stunned....and humbled if shit really does go down.
The thing is, people have said the end, the rapture, etc, etc, was nihg for so long now......and yet we remain. So yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
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SirTokesALittle said: Did you know that the ancient Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojans civilizations all have DOCUMENTED reason as to why 2012 will be the end of a 28,500 year cycle that this planet undergoes. A time where a cataclysmic event will cause great destruction.
According to MODERN scientists( and the history channel) this is also true. It is the time the earth enters and EXACT ALIGNMENT that occurs every 28,500 years with the sun and the PERFECT CENTER of the milky way galaxy. Experts have also discovered a large black hole within the galaxy around the approximate location of the earths position in December 2012. Experts say the earth will possibly tilt on it's axis and see a reversal of the magnetic field, where over the course of one or ten years, Alaska could shift to the equator.
I'm not a huge conspiracy, but can anyone respond as to the validity of these claims? ( I mean I don't believe everything I see on TV, but this shit was backed up by acclaimed scholars on factual evidence shown on a respected TV channel.)
I don't mean to flame you dude but this whole post is pretty ludicrous.
The sun will NEVER be in the middle of the galaxy....and I'm kind of unclear what 'alignment w/ the center' you're talking about. Every point in the galaxy is aligned with the center, lol. There is NOT going to be a black hole anywhere near us in 5 years. Galaxies don't spiral around as fast as car wheels. The magnetic field has been shifting a significant amount anyways....that's what it does. It roams. There's probably not going to be a noticeable effect of the shift, certainly not something that would suck in comets, lol.
I'm gonna call BS on the whole shebang. Maybe some sort of cultural/psychic revolution is possible, but 2012 will not be the endtimes. And I have a lingering suspicion that McKenna unconsciously interpreted the I Ching to make it coincide with the Mayan prediction.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Hypercube]
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full magnetic pole reversal does happen just so you know...but the fact that people think the calender that we made up is timing it, IS ludicrous...
no reason in arguing it anyways, as there is no way to prove without a doubt what will happen in the future...just wait and see
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: supra]
#6629710 - 03/02/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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supra said: full magnetic pole reversal does happen just so you know...but the fact that people think the calender that we made up is timing it, IS ludicrous...
I'm not so sure about that after all all of our time measurements are based on astrological events.
1 day = the time it takes earth to spin on it's axis 1 year = the time it takes to make 1 trip around the sun
why is it so far fetched that we may be able to predict a pole change or another disastrous event.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: supra]
#6629717 - 03/02/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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supra said: ...but the fact that people think the calender that we made up is timing it, IS ludicrous...
What do mean a calendar we made up? The Mayan calendar is a complex combination of solar, lunar, and planetary calendars. It's the most accurate calendar of astronomical events ever made.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Dark_Star]
#6629782 - 03/02/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Will 2012 be the end of an astromonical era? Definitely
Does this mean mass destruction, hellfire & brimstone? ....................I HIGHLY doubt it.................... I'll be stunned....and humbled if shit really does go down
The thing is, people have said the end, the rapture, etc, etc, was nigh for so long now......and yet......we remain
So yeah - I'll believe it when I see it
this tends to sum up pretty much everything I woulda said myself, quite nicely
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Muppet]
#6629808 - 03/02/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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better start collecting the drugs for 2012 now...
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Here's how I feel about it: I feel that we are entering a new era. I'm not so sure there will be some specific worldwide event to accompany it, but I do believe we are experiencing a major transition. Whether this transition will be accompanied by widespread destruction or a global shift in consciousness, I don't know. Possibly both.
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I believe another ancient society predicted the end of days in another year that has past, and we have groups of Christians predicting the rapture throughout their history so I doubt anything will happen.
Magnetic pole reversal happens, but it won't do anything. The geologic record shows many times of it happening and life wasn't wiped out. If we were to LOSE the magnetic field for some reason then harmful radiation would bombard Earth instead of being deflected. (Scientific American article)I doubt I'm going to deal with these in my lifetime and if I have to oh well.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Dark_Star]
#6629848 - 03/02/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: how did you get your avatar so big?
I bought a supporter account.
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Silversoul said: Here's how I feel about it: I feel that we are entering a new era. I'm not so sure there will be some specific worldwide event to accompany it, but I do believe we are experiencing a major transition. Whether this transition will be accompanied by widespread destruction or a global shift in consciousness, I don't know. Possibly both.
I think you're probably right about that one bro
I seem to remember reading somewhere about entering a belt of cosmic radiation (or some shit) that would supposedly increase the speed the electrons in every molecule of our bodies, and as a result - make our body's heal quicker, and extend our life expectancy, and open up new areas of our brains that have been lying dormant, and all sorts of other whacky fucken hypothetical bullshit like that
I would imagine it's probably not gonna be anything *too* drastic like that, but I can definately say that this world as a whole seems to be getting a lot more intense in recent years...like we're all being effected *somehow* and we're all on the edge an shit cause we don't know how to deal with it (whatever 'it' may be)
and if there is some sort of cosmic shift going on that's effecting us in odd ways - I can definately see it bringing out the wrost in people, and having it result in a bunch of us breaking down mentally and going all fucken psychotic an shit cause we just don't fucken care any more (and that doesn't even take into consideration all the proverbial 'whack jobs' that use world-ending 'scares' as an excuse to just let loose and go around robbing an shit just cause there's apparently not gonna be a world left to havta take care of anyways)
but that's all human nature, ya know we like to find any excuse in the book to complicate the fuck outta things
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Another day, another lameass 2012 thread. I especially like parenthetical "urgent". Adds a touch of asshattery.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: DNKYD]
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 oh my god that was funny. as soon as i saw the headline i was like "this dued fucking watched the history channal last night and now hes all freaked out." hehhe yeah i watched that. nothing new. i did learn however that merlin may have been more than one person, interesting. iv known about the whole 2012 deal since i was like 12. im not scared but i cant say that i wouldent see it coming. this space is getting hot
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Muppet]
#6629988 - 03/02/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Here's how I feel about it: I feel that we are entering a new era. I'm not so sure there will be some specific worldwide event to accompany it, but I do believe we are experiencing a major transition. Whether this transition will be accompanied by widespread destruction or a global shift in consciousness, I don't know. Possibly both.
I think you're probably right about that one bro
I seem to remember reading somewhere about entering a belt of cosmic radiation (or some shit) that would supposedly increase the speed the electrons in every molecule of our bodies, and as a result - make our body's heal quicker, and extend our life expectancy, and open up new areas of our brains that have been lying dormant, and all sorts of other whacky fucken hypothetical bullshit like that
I would imagine it's probably not gonna be anything *too* drastic like that, but I can definately say that this world as a whole seems to be getting a lot more intense in recent years...like we're all being effected *somehow* and we're all on the edge an shit cause we don't know how to deal with it (whatever 'it' may be)
and if there is some sort of cosmic shift going on that's effecting us in odd ways - I can definately see it bringing out the wrost in people, and having it result in a bunch of us breaking down mentally and going all fucken psychotic an shit cause we just don't fucken care any more (and that doesn't even take into consideration all the proverbial 'whack jobs' that use world-ending 'scares' as an excuse to just let loose and go around robbing an shit just cause there's apparently not gonna be a world left to havta take care of anyways)
but that's all human nature, ya know we like to find any excuse in the book to complicate the fuck outta things
i feel 2012 is about self-realization. where are we, where did we come from, where are we going..
who are we.. 
i think the answers to these questions are emerging along with the transition of awareness.
answers which can only be seen for one's self.
because essentially the self is what all the fuss is about.
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Yeah it's a new era and I will admit I was blowing it way out of proportion. However, the shift in energy will pull not only on our environment but ourselves. This change in energy will( and is) snowballing into something big, and something fast( and something man made) In terms of the instant destruction of earth at the exact day and time( I will say that is not possible) however the shift that takes place the week before, during, and after December 21st 2012, will be a make or break point. There will be some event where the two sides break loose.. and we don't know what's gonna happen( that's the scary part) We know lots of people are going to die.. the damn is going to break. Hell set loose so to speak. and only humans to make choices. Something else is getting set loose too in 2012... perhaps The Christ? Perhaps the age of free thinkers. Perhaps we will fail to unite. Already we are failing to unite. Do you think by 2012 we will be united? NO we will continue to war. We will destroy each other with nations divided, press the key and wipe out a race will be the target.
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or we'll be harvested by an alien race..
the best we can do is what we can do here and right now.
whatever happens in the future will come as here and right now.
being in the moment is key.
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What will happen in 2012 is......
Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Le_Canard]
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i can say the same thing about tomorrow. 
or even the next minute.
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Don't stress about these supposed apocalyptic ideas; they're likely to be nothing more than mere speculation.
Humanity has been prophesying its demise for millenia, it is not a new trend.
If the end comes, the end comes. If live goes on, life goes on. Don't stress over it.
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I'm not woried about it, I'm excited about it because I know I can do something good
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Seriously?????!!!! Holy shit!!! NOOO... What am I gonna do to prepare myself!!!???? I might aswell quit Uni now because there is no point in trying to further my career. Actually, I might aswell turn into a rapist so I can have fun before I die!!!!!! I mean, this absolutely has to be true because, If any of you guys remember, a few months ago Rahie posted about one of his nutjob christian friends on Myspace who also prophesied that the world would end in 2012.
OOOHHHH FUCK!!!!!!!
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: VietKong]
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I really dont care when and if the world ends it ends. There is no stopping it. Say it does happen well just make your time the best out of what you have left. That is all i have to say
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Considering I will probably have commited suicide by then, I can't be bothered caring
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Le_Canard]
#6630441 - 03/03/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
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SirTokesALittle said: Yeah it's a new era and I will admit I was blowing it way out of proportion. However, the shift in energy will pull not only on our environment but ourselves. This change in energy will( and is) snowballing into something big, and something fast( and something man made) In terms of the instant destruction of earth at the exact day and time( I will say that is not possible) however the shift that takes place the week before, during, and after December 21st 2012, will be a make or break point. There will be some event where the two sides break loose.. and we don't know what's gonna happen( that's the scary part) We know lots of people are going to die.. the damn is going to break. Hell set loose so to speak. and only humans to make choices. Something else is getting set loose too in 2012... perhaps The Christ? Perhaps the age of free thinkers. Perhaps we will fail to unite. Already we are failing to unite. Do you think by 2012 we will be united? NO we will continue to war. We will destroy each other with nations divided, press the key and wipe out a race will be the target.
Or maybe we'll have a huge star show and colors in the sky and we'll all trip and gasp in awe and we'll start the year the best we could. Chill, nobody is gonna wipe the earth
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SirTokesALittle said: Experts say
I'm less inclined to believe an expert on the history of klingons when it comes to a world ending event
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If you consider the fact that the calendar is a human invention, then it stands to reason that this 2012 bullshit that keeps getting spread around is ALSO a human invention. And we all know how trustworthy humans are.
Plus, if the mayans were so freaking smart and advanced, where the heck are they now?
Try thinking once in awhile, I realize it hurts, but you'll never learn how if you don't practice.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: adrug]
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adrug said: Plus, if the mayans were so freaking smart and advanced, where the heck are they now?
they went underground, Jules Verne called them the moorlocks, we just call them the mole people, in 2012 they will come back to reclaim what's theirs
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SirTokesALittle said: I'm not a huge conspiracy
You are in no way or form any type of conspiracy, you are, however, extremely confused.
Ive never heard so much wank since those jehovah's witnesses thought 2005 was the end and killed eachother on new year*. What is the deal with some people? They'll reach 2013 and realise they've wasted half of their lives in the previous deade shittin gthemselves that they're gonna die in 2012.
Whatevers next, 2016?
*(this may not have happened)
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SirTokesALittle said: ( I mean I don't believe everything I see on TV, but this shit was backed up by acclaimed scholars on factual evidence shown on a respected TV channel.)
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: mr_kite]
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mr_kite said: They'll reach 2013 and realise they've wasted half of their lives in the previous deade shittin gthemselves that they're gonna die in 2012.
i think you're being a little too general about this..
not everyone thinks they're going to die in 2012, you know. to some it's about evolving awareness and transcending old world views.
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old world views are neat for the history channel, but have NO bearing in modern science. the ancients didnt know what a galaxy is. the ancients hadnt even IMAGINED black holes. the ancients thought the earth was flat.
just because they scribbled on a rock the phases of the moon doesnt make these people 'astronomers' in our modern sense of the word.
the ancients had no proof about a 28,000 year cycle. civilization isnt even that old yet.
but if 2012 IS about self-awareness, we whatever, what makes it different than ANY other year?
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Yeah, it's going to happen for sure. Look on the bright side, you'll probably already be long gone due to bird flu, skin cancer due to global warming, or maybe one of those toilet spiders will bite you in the ass (Just got an email about them). Don't spend your time worrying about things you've got no control over.:)
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Colbadol]
#6631380 - 03/03/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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old world views are history. even what modern scientists discovered one year ago is still considered to be an old world view.
new worlds come to being in the present moment as old worlds die and fade away into pages of history books.
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just because they scribbled on a rock the phases of the moon doesnt make these people 'astronomers' in our modern sense of the word.
modern astronomers use telescopes and satellites.
the mayan astronomers were raised in caves for most of their lives so that their eyes would be accustomed to the night sky.
different methods and technology does not diminish their expertise in astronomy. the mayan calendar is most accurate calendar of astronomical events ever made.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: adrug]
#6631460 - 03/03/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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adrug said: If you consider the fact that the calendar is a human invention, this 2012 bullshit is ALSO a human invention.
Plus, if the Mayans were so freaking smart and advanced, where the heck are they now?
First off, the humans didn't create the calender, STARS DID! As silversoul pointed out, the Mayan calender is still ENTIRELY accurate to this day. We didn't create the stars, we just wrote down what happened over hundreds of years to them. We didn't create the alignment that's going to happen in 2012, we are just going to exist in it.
Try to think a little harder
And FTW, as far as WHY the Mayans disappeared, there are lots of theories, let me quote a few
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The most widely accepted of these theories on the collapse of the Mayan Civilization is a peasant revolt. The hierarchy of the Maya was completely dependent on slave labor. The people of most power were nobles and priests. These higher classes were often rich in power and wealth, but few in number.
Another accepted theory about the end of the civilization is that the Mayans abused their land in trying to produce agriculture, and this lead to a lack of resources. Soil exhaustion, water loss and erosion were some of the consequences to the Mayans' chosen agricultural techniques.
Other possible reasons for the collapse of the Mayan civilization besides the aforementioned include supernatural visions by leaders to move elsewhere, major climatic change, overpopulation, internal warfare, and possible outbreaks of deadly viruses.
Why did ANY major civilization end, if they are so smart?
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We are all going to die!!
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: eligal]
#6631510 - 03/03/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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eventually.
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I think something will happen in 2012, but not necessarily the end of human existence. I'm thinking more on the line of a massive spiritual awakening for humans..
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Jenny]
#6631526 - 03/03/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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..and all the rest of the planet 
.. but humans especially
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Shroomism]
#6631532 - 03/03/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: ..and all the rest of the planet 
.. but humans especially
Indeed :P
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For riz-eal! I've already admited that I was out of line last night, and that I blew it out of proportion. However, I still think it's interesting, and will be a fun time to live in. There WILL be hysteria and panic. We are truely blessed, and cursed, to be alive right now. In my case, it's more blessings than curses, so I am going to go to war and when I'm faced with a choice, I'm on the right side.
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I have no idea what will happen. I embrace what is to come. I do not fear.
But I did have a music teacher in school that believed in this. She said she was going to be dead center. She didn't want to try live through it. In fact her all her insurance policies run out at the end of 2012. She was dead set on this happening.
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check out the stars man. sweeeeet.
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Ah, I see. I've been meaning to do that, but my financial situation has been grim to say the least.
I love that avatar BTW...reminds me of some past LSD trips.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Dark_Star]
#6632602 - 03/03/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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This reminds me of "Night of the Comet" cool 80's flick...
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It is the time the earth enters and EXACT ALIGNMENT that occurs every 28,500 years with the sun and the PERFECT CENTER of the milky way galaxy. Experts have also discovered a large black hole within the galaxy around the approximate location of the earths position in December 2012.
exact alignment is the biggest bullshit you could draw a straight line between any 2 points
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the black hole detected in the Milky Way is located in the center of the milky way... the Earth is located 3/4 distance aways from the center of the galaxy
what a bunch of stoner bullshit
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I recall that on the end of December, 1999, there were several predictions that the world was going to end. Needless to say, the world is still here.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: vade]
#6632691 - 03/03/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i say we all join a suicide pact, that way we cant be wrong! YAY!
except me of course.... because im not subscribing to this date hype or any of the FREQUIENTLY surfacing crackpot references of how it relates to concepts outside of delusion.
my theory is that its a nice largish non-obvious number, like 42, that many on the lunatic fringe have adopted and focussed their combined energies upon within a rapidly expanding technological landscape of paranioa and ignorance.
they say you can't ignore the evidance. well, I think you CAN if its bullshit, heresay, or based on the prophecy of extinct tribal civilizations.
2012 is not only all three of these.... it HAS NEW THEORIES every day. EACH more earth shattering and sensational than the last. A black hole huh? woah! i don't know how that relates to pole reversal, relates to myan callanders, relates to the illuminati, relates to planet allignment et cetera. except that they are all TOO vague in concept to disprove. like jesus! hey! the world is going to end on 2012, and jesus WOULD have been 2012 years old!!!! NOBODY can dispute this!
unless nothing happens, but then nobody will care and all the fringe support will blend facelessly into the fray dodging admission of hysteria until the next steaming hot pile forms.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Mitchnast]
#6632854 - 03/03/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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you're a funny Canadian, I know Ryan we used to kick it in Ethno. Man, It's so crazy, that something is going to happen, whether it's in 2012 or not. We want to forget that global catastrophe has happened tons of times, the ice age, comets, global climate changes. We are in a state of change( as many people have said) and it's so exponential. The thing about this " steaming hot pile " is that it's one of the most widely accept myths in the history of mankind. the year Y2k caused a pretty big wahoo, but I assure you, the year 2012 will bring changes FAR GREATER. And I don't mean " out of nowhere " These changes are happening in the stars, in the way we think, in the nature of our surroundings. Things are getting more complicated and more heated, until soon there's going to be a meltdown. Where will you be, what will you do?
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i beleive things are gonna change and happen,
i just dont beleive anything abou this 2012 thing. theres just no credible rason to adhere to a vague prophecy when theres plenty of evidance that catastrophe could be imminant at any moment anyway.
best just to be prepared.
the fine line between survival and obsession is beleiving you can predict time of event. this makes you weak if youre mistaken.
overspecilization of preparation for disaster is going to weed out the obsessive.
just like overspecilization in nature breeds in weakness.
look at the snail kite, it has a spiral beak for eating snails, it's specialized. lose the snail tho, and no more kite.
if the poles shifted in 2010 or something, what then? would we blame the myans?
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hey I live in the moment, too busy to worry.
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SirTokesALittle said: Did you know that the ancient Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojans civilizations all have DOCUMENTED reason as to why 2012 will be the end of a 28,500 year cycle that this planet undergoes. A time where a cataclysmic event will cause great destruction.
According to MODERN scientists( and the history channel) this is also true. It is the time the earth enters and EXACT ALIGNMENT that occurs every 28,500 years with the sun and the PERFECT CENTER of the milky way galaxy. Experts have also discovered a large black hole within the galaxy around the approximate location of the earths position in December 2012. Experts say the earth will possibly tilt on it's axis and see a reversal of the magnetic field, where over the course of one or ten years, Alaska could shift to the equator.
I'm not a huge conspiracy, but can anyone respond as to the validity of these claims? ( I mean I don't believe everything I see on TV, but this shit was backed up by acclaimed scholars on factual evidence shown on a respected TV channel.)
The precession of the equinoxes refers to the precession of Earth's axis of rotation with respect to inertial space. Hipparchus discovered that the positions of the equinoxes move westward along the ecliptic compared to the fixed stars on the celestial sphere. The exact dates of his life are not known, but astronomical observations attributed to him date from 147 BC to 127 BC and were described in his writings.
Currently, this annual motion is about 50.3 seconds of arc per year or 1 degree every 71.6 years. The process is slow, but cumulative. A complete precession cycle covers a period of approximately 25,765 years, the so called great Platonic year. Precessional movement is also the determining factor in the length of an Astrological Age. (2,147 years in each house) This btw, makes traditional astrology completely invalid, and sidereal astrology so accurate it's scary.
This means that the Sun at the moment of it's rising, on a fixed day, at a fixed place on earth, aligns with a different particular star every year and takes 25,765 years to circle.
The Sun transits the Galactic Meridian EVERY YEAR. The Sun has never or never will align with exact galactic center from the Earth's perspective.
What is mutually important to the ancient Chinese, Mayan, Aztec, Native Americans, Romans and Trojans, is the HELIACAL RISING of stars and planets, this has to do with Shamanic / Astral physics.
Here's what will happen on December 21st 2012 for certain:
Using a program like Starry Night, you will see that in south america at sunrise on 12.21.12, the Sun crosses the galactic meridian precisely during the hour of it's rising. This happens once - on a fixed day and place on earth - every 25,765 years.
I've heard a fascinating theory on why this is so important, but I won't go into it here. Being in the present = key, but if you know what time it is, you're PREPARING...
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Middleman]
#6633651 - 03/04/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've heard a fascinating theory on why this is so important, but I won't go into it here.
please, go there. sounds interesting.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Middleman]
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I've heard a fascinating theory on why this is so important, but I won't go into it here.
please, go there. sounds interesting.
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: Middleman]
#6633934 - 03/04/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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SirTokesALittle said:
Experts have also discovered a large black hole within the galaxy around the approximate location of the earths position in December 2012.
Complete bollocks. Total total nonsense!
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Re: 2012( urgent) [Re: mr_kite]
#6633945 - 03/04/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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i like to think that in 2012 there will be a massive shift in human consciousness.
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i feel like this is extremely relevant.
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