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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: why]
    #4083796 - 04/22/05 02:04 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)


why said:
The real question is why does a lessening of the sense of 'self' sometimes cause a religous or mystical experience? and are such experiences real or delusion?

Good questions! We might begin by trying to clearly describe the subjective experience of what we mean by loss of self associated with mushrooms.

One specific experience may people report is emergence of spontaneous "kundalini experiences," rhythmic breathing, and somewhat seizure-like movements (as if being 'seized'). Usually our cortex inhibits these lower-brain-mediated (medulla?) actions. Might psilocin inhibit this inhibitory activity?

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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: susej]
    #4084302 - 04/22/05 08:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)


susej said:
So what do mushrooms do to you physically? It's a poison, right? What actually happens? What makes you hallicinate? 

You have neurons in your brain. These are the basic conduits for all brian activity; everything from sight, to thought, to emotion, to balance, etc. A chemical signal (neurotransmitter) enters one end of the nueron, is translated into an electrical signal, sent down the nueron, translated back into a chemical signal, and shot out into a "pool" of synaptic fluid known as the "synaptic gap". Millions of neurons draw from this pool, and turn them into messages for other neurons.

The reason you feel anything from drugs of most types is because they interfere with the way signals travel across your synaptic gaps.

"Typically, drugs imitate or alter neurotransmitters, the chemicals that carry messages between brain cells. Some drugs cause more neurotransmitters to be released, increasing the activity of brain cells. Ecstasy, amphetamine, and some antidepressants are examples of drugs that have this effect.  Other drugs slow the removal of neurotransmitters after they are released. Thsi prolongs the action of transmitter chemicals and typically has a stimulating effect (cocaine works in this way)." (Coon 10ed. p.268)

Hallucinogens confuse the neurotransmitters paths...causing them to sometimes slow while others are speeding up. Others bond where they shouldn't, and some don't bond where they should. This causes our senses, emotions, and general thought processes to be distorted to varying degrees.

Hope that helps!  :smile:



they make your brain bleed. The blood seaping down the side of your skull then enters the hippocampus (sp?) and thats what gives you visuals. You can read more about it on erowid.org.

!!! LOL, good one...

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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: myndreach]
    #4084340 - 04/22/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Back from the dead!

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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: myndreach]
    #4084341 - 04/22/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

This thread was pre-FAQ, now we have all the info you could possibly need on the subject consolidated at one location: Shroomery FAQ.


Got a question about a substance?  Erowid might already have your answer! Have questions about the  mushroom experience? The  Tripper's FAQ may have your answer or someone else might have had your question before.
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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: gdman]
    #4084424 - 04/22/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Also check out this thread : http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2064691/an/0/page/0

Now on the "Real or Delusions" part of the question.Thats something that whatever i say i cannot put it to bed forever....Talking with friends mentioning this question can ensure HOURS of philosophical pondering and discussion,if your friends are a bit on the "intellectual" side.

I will try to give an answer.Does it matter or not if it is "real"? And what do YOU define as "real"?

Example one : One says he got a revelation from the God,and now he is a different better person.We cannot be sure if he had God's revelation,we cannot be sure on God's existence because both of them is not something you can check scientifically or design an experiment on them.Is he a better person? Here people can say yes or no. This is something one can subjectively evaluate as still there is no "Better person evaluation scale" kind of test. If God exists this person might have had a revelation of God.If God doesnt exist ,this person could be simply delusional,well if even God exists this person can be still delusional! What is the important thing though? If he got a revelation or the change in him?

Example two: One person (a simple person,with nothing to hide,with no critical information he knows,propably even a "nobody") says he is being followed and people,agencies like CIA and others conspire against him.A psychiatrist labels him with "Paranoid ideations".Lets also suppose that its 100% sure that noone is after him. Now,we are sure that this person is paranoid,is delusional.

A week after his evalutation he commits suicide by setting himself on fire. The notion of being followed and pursued was SO REAL to HIM that he took his own life.ALL OTHERS *KNOW* that he wasnt followed (aka he was delusional) but HIS REALITY was that HE WAS BEING FOLLOWED. Whats the difference? If he was hunted down by CIA ,he would set himself on fire to "escape",now that he *THOUGHT* he was hunted down by CIA he did the same.Real or not his beliefs their consequences were very real..Ask his family about if it was real that he set himself on fire :laugh:

My take on the subject: What you see and what you hear during a mushroom experience is not to be dogmatized.Its not to be used as PROOF that other dimensions exist,spirits exist etc etc. It is NOT to be taken as literal data that you should try to find sources to crosscheck and validate. The power and the magic of the mushrooms lay in the fact that they can help you if you use them correctly to solve many psychological issues and "reprogram" the way you think.Read on how hallucinogens act: They are not "random image generators" ,they are "downregulators of the brain proccesing filters".

So are those angels you saw while tripping real? Were the voices you heard delusions? Were the meaning you "received" ULTIMATE TRUTHS or MERE HALLUCINATIONS (DELUSIONS, "fucked up" BRAIN CHEMISTRY ETC ETC)?

Truth is that what they were is insignificant although beautiful or scary or lifechanging,and you shouldnt capitalize and dogmatise on them.What you should focus on is "what is the practical implications of the experience for you".

So what is important is what is left after the trip.

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Re: What do shroom actually *do*? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4085107 - 04/22/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yea he's right, its a poison. but so is water, and oxygen and every other chemical known to man.

it all depends on the dosage.

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