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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: waves]
#14502727 - 05/24/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Complaining about people complaining is as stupid as can be in my opinion and getting pissed over obvious troll thread is a
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: waves]
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propensity said: The Dead are not responsible for electronic music. Pink Floyd was doing much more tripped out and psychedelic shit before they were, same thing with Jimi Hendrix.
you've obviously never listened to any 60's dead...every heard of dark star? or the album live dead?
I have listened to Live Dead, yes.
Ever listen to Piper at The Gates of dawn?
Of course "how psychedelic" something is is subjective and up for interpretation, so if that's what you mean then it's kinda futile to argue about.
But do you really think the dead are responsible for electronic music?
hell yeah i've listened to piper at the gates of dawn. i love that stuff, and i love pink floyd. didn't mean to sound hostile, i was just trying to say i think the grateful dead was playing some seriously psychedelic stuff right around the same the same time pink floyd was, so i didn't feel it was accurate to say that pink floyd was doing much more tripped out and psychedelic shit before they were.
and no, i definitely don't feel like the grateful dead was responsible for electronic music at all. although personally, i don't feel like pink floyd was that responsible for it either. a lot of artists collectively influenced the birth of that genre, to say the dead or floyd or hendrix was more responsible than one another would be kind of silly IMO
Agreed, I don't think PF or Jimi is either, it was just an example of other people who were equally (if not way way more, in my eyes) as innovative. I wouldn't give any of them credit for birthing electronic music.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14502740 - 05/24/11 02:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Complaining about people complaining is as stupid as can be in my opinion and getting pissed over obvious troll thread is a 
so complaining about people complaining about other people complaining must be worthy of the triple face palm
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: waves]
#14502744 - 05/24/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Complaining about people complaining is as stupid as can be in my opinion and getting pissed over obvious troll thread is a 
so complaining about people complaining about other people complaining must be worthy of the triple face palm
No, one of these.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
#14503275 - 05/24/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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floatingwater said: I don't think the two, band and acid, are mutually dependent on eachother..
The Grateful Dead were definitely dependant on LSD. Half the people would have probably said "Fuck this" and went home if it didn't exist.
Pigpen, one of the founding members didn't even like LSD; got dosed on accident a couple times and had a bad time/ freak out. You just make it seem like everyone who was at a dead show was high on acid and only going for the doses. Which is pretty close minded, but most people probably were high.. But it wasn't a prerequisite to take acid to enjoy a dead show. If you start reading some books you'll find that even people like bankers/lawyers/doctors/congressmen were all into the dead. I'm not exactly saying that these groups of people didn't take LSD from time to time (they probably did!), but I think a lot of people think that every single deadhead is/was a dreaded wookie who hasn't taken a shower in months. Again if you start reading some books and checking out some film you'll find out that dreaded hippy image didn't really develop until much later in the history of the dead.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: floatingwater]
#14503290 - 05/24/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I tried to like the Dead I really did. Not my style.
I think 1 song might sound ok. I don't know what it's called tho.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Kada]
#14503501 - 05/24/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really, if you think about it, Jerry's voice is terrible. I could never mistake it, but it's not the best to listen to. I don't love jam bands. What I love about the Grateful Dead is their folk rock songs. I can jam out to them easily on guitar (I'm really not good) and can sing better than Jerry! The Grateful Dead's lyrics are one of their good attributes, many of their songs tell stories.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Deekay]
#14503508 - 05/24/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The one song I absolutely love.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Kada]
#14503657 - 05/24/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright here it goes(this is hard) I had some Grateful Dead albums growing up, I think my favorites were Blues For Allah and From The Mars Hotel. They weren't exactly a great band but lots of people think the Grateful Dead suck even the people who listen to them.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: UnholyChild666]
#14503742 - 05/24/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For what it's worth, my dad lived in Haight Ashbury during the 60's. He was in his early 20's, and hung out in the musician crowds, being a musician himself.
He attended several Grateful Dead shows. Never took LSD at them though. He told me that he never understood what all the hype was about.
Apparently the Jethro Tull shows were much more entertaining.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Kada]
#14503888 - 05/24/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love the workingman's dead album, and the Jerry Garcia and John Kahn live @ Oregon Prison - 5/5/82
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Funguspants]
#14503931 - 05/24/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: Listen to the song "Ripple". If you cant find a deep appreciation for that song, then you have never truly relaxed or know what it is like to relax.
on a side topic, I am still confused by Neil Youngs fame. I have yet to find an entrance into his music, a perspective to appreciate it from. I just dont get it.
but back to the dead..... yeah, go lay in the grass on a nice sunny day, and listen to that song. There is a good place to begin to be grateful.
Comments like this piss me off. "If you cant find a deep appreciation for that song, then you have never truly relaxed or know what it is like to relax." Oh yeah fuckwad? You know me that well? How about I tell you I have listened to Ripple and that I think its a boring piece of shit.
The dead are NOT that good. IMO, they are obnoxious shit. They have an annoying country sound to them that I simply don't enjoy. Its funny though, because a lot of dead followers will claim to be the most open minded people on this Earth until you diss the dead. Fuckers. The Dead though, really, are overrated. They didn't really do anything new or unique and their music isn't even that great or original. When jam bands "jam" it gets boring and all sounds the same. This is of course all my opinion. Lets see how many open minded hippies I upset...
If you like the dead that's great, and I respect that, but please... be respectful of others peoples musical taste. You'll notice too, if you take a step back, that some of the most hostile music people ARE DEADHEADS. They get so fucking defensive over this dumb band its ridiculousness... especially when it comes from the mouth of an 18 year old kid. The dead may have been great live and when the original band was touring, but that time is long gone. Get the fuck over it.
Don't get so ass-hurt. Your an example of someone who can't relax, though I don't think this is because of your lack of appreciation for the dead... more of a personality thing. 
I do agree though, relaxation isn't from a song, it's more of something you do yourself.... Though it's something you can't be calling people fuckwads and getting upset at them generalizing over, especially when their comment wasn't even specifically directed at you. 
haters gonna hate.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: Kada] 1
#14504319 - 05/24/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel like alot of the people that say "i tried a few songs and didnt like them", i just assume they put on some studio album. This isn't the dead. I think everyone in this category should put a complete show on from 69-79, and listen to it in its entirety. If it still doesn't click, then cool, its not for everyone.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: danielx]
#14504394 - 05/24/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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danielx said: I feel like alot of the people that say "i tried a few songs and didnt like them", i just assume they put on some studio album. This isn't the dead. I think everyone in this category should put a complete show on from 69-79, and listen to it in its entirety. If it still doesn't click, then cool, its not for everyone.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: danielx]
#14504411 - 05/24/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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danielx said: I feel like alot of the people that say "i tried a few songs and didnt like them", i just assume they put on some studio album. This isn't the dead. I think everyone in this category should put a complete show on from 69-79, and listen to it in its entirety. If it still doesn't click, then cool, its not for everyone.
exactly. that's why i don't really take most peoples opinions about the Dead and their music too seriously. most folks have no idea what they are talking about. i've been listening to the Dead for years and have only begun to truly understand what their music is capable of.
take "Playin' in the Band" for instance. The first year or two i was into the Dead i did not like this song. Couldn't appreciate it for what it was. It's only been in the last two years that i've begun to really understand the power that that song held.
it's kind of hard to dismiss 30 years of music in one fell swoop.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14504946 - 05/24/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dunno, I really like American Beauty as a studio album. 
Their live stuff is cool too
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: propensity]
#14505095 - 05/24/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I personally give 0 fucks about Grateful Dead, but I find it awesome that a Dead show = synonymous with free LSD at the time and I'd heard that they'd do some hour long psychedelic improvs.
But beyond that I see nothing special about them.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14505359 - 05/24/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really like the Dead I listen to them a lot recently, the St. Stephen > The Eleven > Lovelight from Live/Dead is fucking amazing. And the Other Ones from Dicks Picks 4. I don't think that listening to them is going to change peoples lives, or make them enlightened or something, like some people say, but I still think that they're awesome. I found it a bit hard to get into them, purely because it's hard to know where to start, which is that same with any band with a large discography though. The Dead are probably my favourite band at the moment. I also listen to a lot of psytrance as well, so I don't think the Dead are the be all and end all of music.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: mongo lloyd]
#14505654 - 05/24/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everyone who hates the dead: go take a few hits, throw this on and listen to it all the way through.
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Re: Am I the only one that thinks the Greatful Dead suck bad? [Re: wildchild68]
#24399991 - 06/12/17 04:08 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jeez, I REALLY am sorry to post on old threads. But it's unbelievable how much negative passion the GD can evoke. It's like if I said, "my favorite color is blue", and then everyone jumped on my ass because blue sucks and red is so much better and blue never did anything special... bla, bla, bla.
I've been hearing folks tell me how much the Dead suck for 40 years. But I've been to over 200 shows with Jerry on hand and I found it to be a very special place that one could not find easily in America in the 1970s/80s. There was no internet. No cell phones. But dosing at a Dead show, then following the "test" into the next town and witnessing the town experience a psychedelic invasion was pretty cool.
Like Robert Hunter said: "Once in a while you get shown the light. In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
Turn me on to dub step. I probably won't like it unless there is some Jerry solo sampled in, but for God's sake, enjoy it. Far be it for me to look down on your trip.
Again, sorry to bump an old post. I'm new and just started wandering around....
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