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Case shrinking - Lack of water?
    #6620911 - 02/28/07 05:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I started my first grow not too long ago.
We recently cased using a sea of shrooms type setup.
We're using clear plastic storage containers for fruiting.

Strain : Burmese Yangoon
Days since casing : 12
Cased with : Jiffy Mix
Looks like this:

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Jiffy Mix 1/2 inch
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Popcorn kernal substrate, colonized
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Vermiculite
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We've only misted once, as the humidity seemed about right. When we did mist we misted the sides of the container and didn't mist the mushroom directly.

I've read quite a few posts, and I've read: NEVER mist after pinning, mist gently, mist the sides of your terranium but don't mist the pins, and mist around the pins.

So, what should I do? I don't want my little mushrooms to dry out, and I don't want to abort them or cause them all to drown and rot.

Anyway, any tips would be great. We're misting with Water and H202 4:1 ratio.

Here are some pictures to illustrate what I'm saying:

Peeling away from the edges:


Close-up of dry soil:


Full view of the bed:


Any help would be apprecaited
(I have searched the forums for help on this, I'm just confused because there seems to be some conflicting ideas about how to do this)


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: heresy00]
    #6621059 - 02/28/07 06:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Your substrate is dry. You can mist pins, so mist away. It will take several mistings an hour apart over a day or two to get your moisture back. I'd also pour, yes pour water around the edges. Wait two hours, then pour any excess back out.

Once pins are the size of yours they won't abort from misting as long as you up the FAE to let them dry off. Misting, then closing a container up tight will cause them to abort. Don't allow them to sit wet is the idea.
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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6621390 - 02/28/07 07:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

RR's advice is perfectly on the money.
A substrate will shrink, on its own accord.
As mycelium digests it.
But, should not shrink as much as yours appears, first flush.

After a flush, I do exactly what RR says.
I pour, yes pour water into the tray.
Until the tray is near full.
Then, let is set an hour or 2, then tilt & drain the tray.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: agar]
    #6621403 - 02/28/07 07:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yea thats basically how ive always dunked casings, except i'd let them soak for 8 or so hours and then drain off, always using a freshly opened bottle/jug of distilled water. The casing normally bobs up like a cork :grin: too. Once done it is tilted over a sink with a hand pressed against the casing to keep it in the tray as the excess water is poured out. Then if needed new casing material is added to either patch or fill in the sides between the casing and the container its in.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: Spire]
    #6621525 - 02/28/07 08:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I failed to mention.
I may do that a couple times.
Shorter times than you, but more often.

Just depends on the trays condition.
I changed over to a Big Bertha Rh/Fae set up a few months back.
From cool mists.

Big Bertha is a 20 gallon plastic drum.
With a bubbler & mist maker fogger in it.
With a fan & timers.

At first, it was pumping in so much Rh.
Trays were getting saturated all by themselves.
Until I finally found the SWEET SPOT timing adjustments.:grin:


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: agar]
    #6621589 - 02/28/07 08:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Nice, will keep that in mind :thumbup: :mushroom2:

Any reason to do it in short intervals?


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: Spire]
    #6621696 - 02/28/07 09:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

wow, thats a sick setup Agar!!!


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #6622011 - 02/28/07 10:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

by the way, i'm not an expert like agar, but some people claim that spring water is better than distilled water. i personally do not know, but just thought i'd give a suggestion.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: usg543]
    #6622543 - 03/01/07 12:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I just look at Distilled water as the standard. Im sure either could be replaced by the other and still keep similar results.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: Spire]
    #6623255 - 03/01/07 07:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

tap water, spring water, and mineral water can all work interchangeably. a lot of people have good success with tap water, they just leave it sitting for for awhile and boil it to remove the chlorine.

EDIT: some also prefer using poo water, or the water left over from when they pasteurized their poo.


Edited by usg543 (03/01/07 07:32 AM)


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: usg543]
    #6623603 - 03/01/07 10:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Tap water is best for soaking/dunking in my opinion. I use it right out of the tap. The small amount of chlorine will actually help to prevent bacteria buildup during the soak. I use spring or distilled for misting.
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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: agar]
    #6623718 - 03/01/07 11:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How or where can I get one of those BIG BIRTHA'S? That looks like it kicks ASS!!!! Does it make alot of noise?


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: Shroomerbrain]
    #6623733 - 03/01/07 11:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Mmm, I searched the forums briefly. I see a lot of reference to FAE, however, I can't find a definition. I also looked through the glossary of common terms in the FAQ and couldn't find a definition of this.

What does FAE mean (please don't hate me, I'd imagine this is a very silly question)

RR - You mentioned literally pouring water in around the casing layer and then draining. Someone else however mentioned that they do this between flushes. Should I be pouring water in while shrooms are pinning/ Or, should I wait until after the first flush?

Also, you told me to mist. How heavily should I be misting?
I'd imagine a spray or two directly up in the air above the tray and letting it fall onto the shrooms would be good to hydrate again. Should I be doing more or less?

Sorry guys, I feel like I'm asking everyone here to hold my hand while I do this.
I don't mean to bother you guys too much there is just a little gray area between the teks and FAQ's.


Edited by heresy00 (03/01/07 11:14 AM)


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: heresy00]
    #6623980 - 03/01/07 12:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

FAE = Fresh Air Exchange (a little fanning here and there, or the use of a cool mist will usuallyl suffice)

Water can be added into the casing at any time, but be careful not to over do it and drown any pins. Misting is usually best when the pins are 1" or taller, otherwise even a little mist can damage them.

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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: Festivus]
    #6624862 - 03/01/07 05:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Muchly appreciated. Thank you. I'm in the process of hydrating now, I'll let everyone know how it goes over the next couple of days.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: heresy00]
    #6628113 - 03/02/07 03:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

When I pour the water into the tray, do I suberge everything?
Casing and all? Nothing will drown?


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: heresy00]
    #6628126 - 03/02/07 03:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think you just want to let it float in the water if there are mushrooms on the casing. I am doing that right now with a casing that is full of pins. I think submerging them would be harmful... but I would wait for RR of RK for the final verdict.


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Re: Case shrinking - Lack of water? [Re: beejay]
    #6628355 - 03/02/07 05:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, just let it float. You can put a rock on top during the between flush dunks to hold it submerged, but during a flush, it's best just to pour water around the edges, then a few hours later, pour off whatever hasn't soaked in.
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