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Morelman
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WTF Agar? *DELETED*
#6616468 - 02/27/07 11:57 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6616530 - 02/27/07 12:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol wtf THAT is agar ? well interesting ..
i only ever use the powdered stuff so uh .. powderize it ?
and isnt agar agar an extract made out of this seaweed ?
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Re: WTF Agar? *DELETED* [Re: ohmatic]
#6616568 - 02/27/07 12:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6616595 - 02/27/07 12:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morelman said: BTW, How much does a gallon of water weigh?
first hit on google..
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Weight of One Gallon (U.S.) of Water, Gasoline, and Ethanol. 1 gallon of water equals 8.33 lbs.
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Re: WTF Agar? *DELETED* [Re: ohmatic]
#6616646 - 02/27/07 12:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6616990 - 02/27/07 02:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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this will be a mess .. expect that pot boiling over and coating your kitchen nicely in agar agar ..
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: ohmatic]
#6617072 - 02/27/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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30$ for 3 lbs.. ouch.
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Civ]
#6629488 - 03/02/07 08:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lets not be negative, I think this is a great find.
You could grind that 'weed down as much as possible and then pc small amounts with an appropriate amount of water in whatever size jars you got. Fill er up, PC, rinse and repeat.
WELLLLLLL worth the savings.
You'll prolly need to dry it out. Maybe a dehydrator with a solid tray (like the add ins they used to advertise so you make your own 'fruit roll ups').
Prolly simmer down as much as you can first, of course. Turn it to sludge.
I'd like to try this, gotta link to a source?
Edited by LynxRufus (03/02/07 08:39 PM)
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6631737 - 03/03/07 03:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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 This is the stuff the local Oriental market carries. What you have there is RAW material.
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: agar]
#6632668 - 03/03/07 09:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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if u need to dry it out and don't want to fork out for a dehydrator, just put it in your closet w/ your heater u use for incubating.
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You can use that stuff as a substrate ingredient, but it's not useful for petri dishes. RR
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Re: WTF Agar? *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6633086 - 03/04/07 12:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6633978 - 03/04/07 10:29 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting. Next step? RR
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6634074 - 03/04/07 11:25 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I bought agar like that some years ago, and turned it to a coarse "powder" in a food processor. Apart from the resulting gel being discolored and the lowish gel strength, it worked fine for petri dishes.
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Re: WTF Agar? *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6634098 - 03/04/07 11:39 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6634137 - 03/04/07 11:53 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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You'll need to add malt and yeast or some other nutrient solution such as potato broth. The agar is just the gelling agent. RR
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Re: WTF Agar? *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6634260 - 03/04/07 12:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6634472 - 03/04/07 02:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Helltick]
#6636699 - 03/05/07 04:02 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry it lagged
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Helltick]
#6636700 - 03/05/07 04:03 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry it lagged
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Helltick]
#6636701 - 03/05/07 04:10 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Helltick said: I pay $1.35 per pack of agar agar at local grocery store.
This is what I'm doing:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6613630&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post6613630
I got you beat I paid less than a dollar for 25g packet of ground agar
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Dang, my local health food store whacked me $7 for 28 grams.  RR
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6637986 - 03/05/07 03:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've always wanted to try to get agar straight from the seaweed. Just because I think it would be cool, if not economically sound (I pay about 75 cents for 25 grams, on sale, less than $1 normally)
This is a great write-up! Keep us posted!
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great thread, tastey looking agar cakes... A* for sticky, messy effort!
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6652963 - 03/09/07 01:29 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol, this is great 
now what?
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its cool he's doin this from scratch....but dam that stuff must stink somethin afoul by now.
if it were me i would cut that up into pattys now and throw them into a dehydrator...then grind it up into a powder afterwords and waloa!
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Re: WTF Agar? [Re: Morelman]
#6655027 - 03/10/07 06:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morelman said: Thought I was gonna chew out Agar didn't you? Fooled you didn't I?
WTF am I supposed to do with this?

i got something like that from a local japanese food retailer. £1.10 for 30g. i used about 10g in something like 3/4 pint boiled it up to dissolve with a spoonful of golden syrup,smelt lovely, a few fresh black-berry's,make a fool type desert...anyway... cooked it up and tested it's gelling properties by dropping on a cold plate.when it got to the consistency i imagined useful,never worked with agar before so had to guess,pc'd for 20+mins in a clean ketchup bottle for ease of pouring. not really done much with it yet as i am finding it hard to source an affordable supply of petri's,bugetary constraints and all...
i still have this bottle in the fridge about two months later,anyone know how long this would remain usable,or, how many times you could reheat this stuff ? sorry for the non-scientific description.
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You should be able to get really cheap packs of petri dishes from eBay so long as you go for the plastic kind. The ones I got were polystyrene or ester I think, which means autoclaving isn't a great idea, but they stood up to the heat of having literally boiling agar poured into them no problems!
It's not so bad using plastic dishes either. Unless you're doing a lot of work, a 20 pack of plates should last you a good while.
If you haven't added any nutrient to your agar, it should last quite a long time. If it's sterilised and stored cold there's no real reason for it to go off. I'm not sure if you can freeze agar and still use it though.
Consistency wise, you want a firm gel as opposed to something your finger squishes through when poked. Although, provided you're careful with handling, a liquid type gel would work as well. The benefit of having a firmer gel that stays stuck to the plate is that you can flip the plates over after pouring and during incubation so any moisture runs off the sample and into the lid. If you don't do that, you can end up with a puddle on the plate... uncool.
Just in case you're interested, I did a quick google and apparently agar can be turned into a foam by freeze drying, which can then be used for biodegradable packaging....
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I often make my agar pretty soft. From 2% all the way down to 1.5%. The gelling strength of your agar will come into play, so don't make some 1.5% and then curse me if it doesn't gell well enough. I've never had any problems turning dishes upside down. Just make sure that it's solid. But you can make it anywhere from very soft to very hard and still have good luck IME.
The advantages to using weaker concentrations IME are to save agar and softer agar seems to let spores embed down into it easier. If your agar is too strong I've found that the surface will dry pretty quickly sometimes and spores will just sit on top of it without getting embedded enough to absorb enough moisture.
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