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PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE?
    #6609333 - 02/25/07 06:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

when making cakes before inoculation is it possible to use a mix of BRF, Perlite, and H2O? ive heard of BRF, Verm., and H20 but was curious about using perlite and how well it would work? Thanks for the help


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: laydownsally1]
    #6609343 - 02/25/07 06:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

no
perlite and vermiculite are not interchangeable


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: Optx]
    #6609375 - 02/25/07 06:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

so what will happen if you use perlite instead of vermiculite?


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: laydownsally1]
    #6609380 - 02/25/07 06:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

you'll get a mushy goo that won't won't allow any mycellium to grow, and if any grows it won't be able to colonize completely. just get some vermiculite.


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: laydownsally1]
    #6609388 - 02/25/07 06:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Most likely nothing, maybe contamination due to excessive water content. Perlite is porous and holds much more water than you would want in your BRF cake during incubation.


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #6609415 - 02/25/07 07:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yeah because i mixed it up and put it throught the pressure cooker and it came out a sort of dark brown color.. i guess thats bad?


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: laydownsally1]
    #6609431 - 02/25/07 07:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You'll get a real hard 'rice crispy treats' if you use perlite instead of vermiculite with cakes.


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: Civ]
    #6609454 - 02/25/07 07:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

so will spores die if you try to use them with perlite? or will they not grow at all???


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: laydownsally1]
    #6609593 - 02/25/07 07:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

when you think about how easy it is to get a contamination when you use all the *right* supplies, why would you risk using the wrong ones?

You have to look at it like asking someone if you can substitute salt for sugar when making cookies. It's just not going to work, no matter how you ask the question...


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: mycocurious]
    #6609605 - 02/25/07 07:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the help


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #6609886 - 02/25/07 09:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Most likely nothing, maybe contamination due to excessive water content.  Perlite is porous and holds much more water than you would want in your BRF cake during incubation.




A 1/4 cup of water is a 1/4 cup of water , no matter what is holding it .:thumbup: The perlite might not absorb as much of the 1/4 cup of water as the verm does , making it appear as more water , but the recipe is still the same , 2:1:1  per cake:thumbup:

Verm holds water , perlite wicks water into the surronding air .

Your cakes would probably dry out before completely colonizing due to the perlite wicking water out of the cake .

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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: HippieChick]
    #6610071 - 02/25/07 09:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ill tell you what,, i just used a mix of LG *LONG GRAIN* BRF.
with powdered perlite, Powdered WBS, Fractionally sterilized.. and peat!.
i Its very gooyey once cooked,, and youlle think im crazy, but hey, you have my word if theres results, ill post here!
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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: I8thesh400m]
    #6610287 - 02/25/07 10:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I used perlite as I couldn't find vermiculite very easily. My cakes were a bit "gooey" But I inoculated them any ways with Ps. Cyanescens Spores that I had From a print I made last fall. It didn't totally colonize the jar but I put the cake in a tray with cardboard and woodchips and it colonized with no problems. In my own experience I wouldn't used it to fruit cakes off of but it seemed to have worked for what I used it for. Just my 2 cents


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: Boomers420]
    #6611219 - 02/26/07 02:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

IT would be great if perlite worked like verm seeing as verm is so hard to get without ordering it online but such just is not the case


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6618056 - 02/27/07 10:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

vermiculite isn't that hard to find for alot of people


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Re: PERLITE VS. VERMICULITE? [Re: Optx]
    #6618065 - 02/27/07 10:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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vermiculite isn't that hard to find for alot of people




Yea it seems it has allot to do with where you are located at,I know I couldn't find verm when I was looking and trust me I looked everywhere I could think of


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