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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6658204 - 03/11/07 12:45 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Some Claviceps purpurea


these are about in summer all the time in the UK if you look.


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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: cheesie]
    #6658705 - 03/11/07 03:51 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, Claviceps purpuea is pretty common all over the globe.. Strikes me as odd that no one on the boards have tried cultivating them...

Hopefully this thread will change that.. I know I will try my hand at it this summer..


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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: Nalim]
    #6660004 - 03/11/07 10:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

it's not that no one is or has tried..................................not to mention the mention of u tryin' to do this would open u to terrorist listings Here in the states)that lead to other things. WHICH is why no one here is doing any of this.

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: em_bre_O]
    #6660632 - 03/12/07 05:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Why would cultivating a mushroom that is not controlled as other than precursor be worse than cultivating a class one narcotic?
We are not discussing the synthesis of LSD here but the cultivation technique used to grow an organism used in migraine medication.


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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: Nalim]
    #6660702 - 03/12/07 06:55 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

think about it

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: em_bre_O]
    #6661066 - 03/12/07 11:04 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

???

This is a forum that handles the manufacturing of psilocybin, which is a scheduled drug.

Ergotamine is not scheduled as anything but a prescription medicine and a precursor. -----> The trouble you can get into from growing psilocybes are graver than the trouble you can get into from growing ergot.


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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: Nalim]
    #6661444 - 03/12/07 01:51 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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???
This is a forum that handles the manufacturing of psilocybin, which is a scheduled drug.





Actually, it isn't. It's advanced mycology. The subject of this forum is 'advanced mycological techniques'. It's not about drugs or psilocybin, and especially not about manufacturing anything, or terrorism. We need to keep that part clear.

Also, keep it nice everybody. Please contribute if you have something to add regarding the topic, which is based on a type of fungi, but no preaching. Thanks.
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6662220 - 03/12/07 05:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think he means terroist can cultivate this and poision american.....i know we disscused st.augustings fire which is caused by ergot it can kill so it could be classified as manufacturing a posion...maybe...

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: jccc]
    #6662810 - 03/12/07 08:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

hijacked, anyone? speaking of terrorists...

there is no online documentation to ergot cultivation from an "average" websurfer? hrmph. i'm digging.

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: Nalim]
    #6662860 - 03/12/07 08:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!
I think that second one is a Phalaris sp!!
The images are my own, the ergot came from my back garden.
I plan to add some photomicrograph's of conidia,stroma,ascospores and hopefully some other interesting microscopic features to this thread soon.
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6663824 - 03/13/07 05:29 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Fab man!

You have found stroma? Or did you induce that yourself?
Was the stroma on fallen seeds or on still standing?


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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: Nalim]
    #6667677 - 03/14/07 04:46 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I have viewed stroma on the sclerotia and conidia or asexual spores in the honeydew.
I didn't induce it myself but have seen them on sclerotia that had been stored for over a year!
I really want to get some good photomicrograph's showing perithecia and hopefully asci, although I may need to upgrade my scope!
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6678600 - 03/16/07 10:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

inski,
great photos!

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: asci]
    #6681503 - 03/17/07 08:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks:cool:
This Claviceps purpurea sclerotia is the biggest I've seen measuring 24mm!

I'm not sure what variety of grass this is but it has quite large seeds which I think has an influence on the size of the sclerotia.
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6682630 - 03/18/07 05:04 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks!
I think that second one is a Phalaris sp!!




I thought C paspali grew only on Paspalum sp. grass?

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: aryah]
    #6686011 - 03/19/07 01:48 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

That's right, my first post in this thread has four images, the last two show Claviceps paspali on a Paspalum sp.
I assume Nast was asking about the second image of C.purpurea which I'm pretty sure is on a Phalaris sp!
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6686316 - 03/19/07 06:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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That's right, my first post in this thread has four images, the last two show Claviceps paspali on a Paspalum sp.
I assume Nast was asking about the second image of C.purpurea which I'm pretty sure is on a Phalaris sp!
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ah, I c! great work! did you find the ergots in the wild?

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: aryah]
    #6690152 - 03/20/07 12:38 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I find them just outside my house in the garden every year!
I have no interest in cultivating Claviceps sp, I prefer to study their life cycle and microscopic features!
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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: inski]
    #6694303 - 03/21/07 04:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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I find them just outside my house in the garden every year!
I have no interest in cultivating Claviceps sp, I prefer to study their life cycle and microscopic features!
inski:cool:




I gather, besides the tremor-inducing things in them, likely water insoluble, unlike the purpura strains, they shouldnt be toxic, and supposedly contain LSA in Morning Glory like ratios and quantities? Wasson at least claimed so in Road to Eleusis, and Im just exploring info on this thats available, in a thread on lycaeum..

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Re: Ergot cultivation [Re: aryah]
    #6707675 - 03/24/07 09:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The internet needs a detailed pictorial tek on the cultivation of ergot and a detailed pictorial tek on the synthesis. So basicly if you have all of the stuff to make a substrate and a ergot culture strain that has the right alkaloids you are on the right track to making lysergic acid? It seems to me that the internet isn't a very good place to learn about the cultivation of ergot or the synthesis of lysergic acid from the ergot alkoloids.


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