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 mad_scientist
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 good strain for visuals 
#660225 - 06/03/02 07:22 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I recently grew my first crop of shrooms which were Puerto Ricans. Me and a friend tried them and were disappointed on the visuals. Little or none at all. I was wondering what would be a good strain for a cool high and good visuals. 
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 Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660279 - 06/03/02 08:05 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well different strains don't really make a difference besides the fact that they have different amounts alkoloids in them, so if your not getting good visuals but are getting a good high from them don't give up take higher doses. Now you didn't say how much you an your friend dosed on but maybe try alittle more next time an continue that process until your satisfied.
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 Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660280 - 06/03/02 08:07 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have little experience with different strains myself... but I've seen this post enough to answer what everyone else answers.
Usually people answer with these strains. Mazatapecs, amazonian, cambos, golden teachers? (not sure), & EQ's.
My prefrence is Mazatapecs - The visuals were *amazing*. I've only had 2 strains though and I'm not sure what the other was. I dont care though.
Search the fourm and you'll find an old one of these. Its a pretty popular question. 
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 Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660477 - 06/03/02 10:39 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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PF Classics (M. Romeos?) is my fave. Hardy fruit, great visuals, sound enhancement, and low vomit ratio.
It is possible your dose wasnt high.product wasnt high quality.
Try 3grms for good visuals, more if you are a bigger person.
Use the Dose Meter in the Grow/Find section of this site.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660579 - 06/03/02 11:43 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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my friend took an 1/8 of tazmanians...I was told the visuals were great. Like she was walking around in a watercolor painting
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660586 - 06/03/02 11:50 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would think that we each took two grams. Another question is has anyone had good visuals off of Puerto Ricans? 
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#660592 - 06/03/02 11:55 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have heard that they are a little more potent then regular cubes and do give great visuals. I havent had the chance to try them though. EQ's give good visuals.. at least from my experience.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: optikal_trip]
#660816 - 06/03/02 02:29 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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EQ's had heavy visuals ...
this isn't fact of course, but in my experience the strongest and most visual shrooms I've had were Ps. Australians ... I compare the visuals to my strong acid trips ... and I often only see patterns on higher doses of a different strain ... less than a half eighth of Australians makes me trip at the level of an eighth of other shrooms.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#661062 - 06/03/02 04:55 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mazatapec or Ecuador are great for visuals and have nice body vibes
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thanks for the info 
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
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I think pf's strain was the best for visual, however I think shrooms are definitely not enough to produce the visuals you want, they are only one tool of the many that god designed for us. Also I believe growing conditions may affect this also, maybe an aged mold produces better shrooms, then a fresh mold, or opposite, maybe cold produces a more visual shroom then hot ones. who really knows? and if they did, would they share the knowledge freely? I really really doubt it. Also many, factors, such as fasting and meditation before a trip directly affect your visual, maybe the opposite, just throwing out some unbiased theories on visuals, because they are so rare. I think cactus is the perfect plant to be eaten with mushrooms, to get the visual you want.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: nugsarenice]
#663440 - 06/04/02 11:59 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck man - eat three grams of pan cyans and tell me that mushrooms dont give visuals!! 
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Zen Peddler]
#663441 - 06/05/02 12:01 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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never have, so i can't really relate,,,
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: nugsarenice]
#663477 - 06/05/02 01:28 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone has very different effects to different strains.No matter what you will always get mixed answers. One strain that gives someone amazing visuals may give another person none. It all depends on the person, there is no real way to tell which strain has the most visuals. If you hear many people saying the same strain has better visuals then it may. But dont go by a person to person basis.
Personally Puerto Rican's always had grood visuals for me....
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#663824 - 06/05/02 07:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 grams is insufficient for visuals except for very small / light individuals. 3.5 grams would be the minimum for the average person, with 4+ grams being the nominal amount. However, I recommend upping your dosage slowly.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Swami]
#664049 - 06/05/02 10:05 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didnt read all of the above, so sorry if someone already mentioned the Pink Buffalo strain, but these are supossed to produce the best visual's!
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: TrAnCyNuGz]
#664140 - 06/05/02 10:50 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have only had one strain(which i knew what strain it was) and that was Koh Samui. I had an intresting realization over the course of a couple trips to. The first time i ate them i ate 3.5 grams(which is a good standard dose) and i had a few short lived visuals and a intense body buzz sort of like MDMA. It was a very mellow trip overall. About 3 weeks later i ate the same amount again, and i had The most intense visuals i've ever had. I had INTENSE OEV's and CEV's for hours(not in tripping time but literally)
So i think it depends more on the persons attitude and open-ness and less on the strain. probably some other fators to. Aborts are also good for visuals to.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#664216 - 06/05/02 11:30 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: mad_scientist]
#664354 - 06/05/02 01:10 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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My friends pet midget had incredible visuals from PR's. But he took an awful lot and later said that his brain was so confused he almost went crazy. Those damn little midgets.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#665189 - 06/06/02 02:54 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mndfreeze: different species of mushrooms have varying levels of psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin in them, producing a trip with a different "feel". Different strains however, don't vary much.
To the poster: if you're not hallucinating, you're not eating enough!
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Just a Punk]
#665339 - 06/06/02 04:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#665732 - 06/06/02 08:51 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arguing whether different strains give different visuals is pointless because nobody has the exact facts needed to back up their argument, only what they think and what they've read up on sites.
However, it appears to me that not everybody gets visuals because of the way your mind is wired. I am naturally an extremely artistic person and see everything very visually, so my trips tend to be unbelievably visual on any dose, and not depending on substance. Acid I get the most visuals, shrooms also a great amount, even on pot I tend to see patterns and sometimes see open-eyed "daydreams." However, a lot of people say they've done a lot of acid and shrooms and have never seen anything at all, it was all mental. So, my theory is your brain is what decides whether you will trip visually as well. Musicians often have musical revelations on trips, from what I've seen.
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#665813 - 06/06/02 09:51 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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After reading these posts I believe that I may have not eaten enough. I think that I'll stick to the puerto ricans and just eat more next time! 
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: HB]
#666004 - 06/06/02 11:53 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#666164 - 06/06/02 01:52 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSD is LSD..
Not at all true in the way that you mean it. Sloppy manufacture can introduce levels of impurities that may affect you.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Swami]
#666509 - 06/06/02 06:20 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is another one of those semi-true myths...While sloppy manufacturing can leave residual amide precursors that can detract from a trip, any other contaminant exists in such low doses that it's effect would be insignificant.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#666622 - 06/06/02 07:26 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilocybin is psilocybin.
One strain does not give more visuals then another. All it can have is more of less psilocybin. The more you have, the stronger the trip.
I would have to disagree here.. I've done many high doses of normal cubies but the small amount of visuals in them hardly compare to what I saw with the Subaeringosa shroomies.. everything was visual.. blurred vision, tracers, colour shifts, spirit faces, skulls, the chesire cat, my hand morphed into a green twisted old witches hand at one point.. a friend of mine's mouth detached from their face and kept talking as it flew along, buddha faces covered the sky, chinese dragons flew around breathing fire.. This was on 15grams fresh.. In fact it was soo visual that I had to keep my eyes closed most of the time to save myself from freaking out at my inability to see normally - I could never stare at one spot longer than a quarter of a second or so, it was impossible to focus properly and everything I saw kept changing. I wonder if the subaeringosa shrooms contain some other chemicals or an extremely different ratio of alkaloids than cubies.. anyone?
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
#666744 - 06/06/02 09:31 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#666812 - 06/07/02 12:59 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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there are atleast fifty alkaloids present to varying degrees in different mushrooms - the levels of these vary not only betwen mushroom species, strains within a species and even individual fruits. There is evidence that is scientific that can prove to you that these levels are variable even in different spore-races of cubensis - and this is true.
If you have grown a variety of cubensis spore-races and have tripped on each strain many times you will come to notice differences - particularly in potency.
Stamets: ' Stivje and de Meijer (1993) found .15%psilocybin and .50%psilocin in a Mexican strain and .15%psilocybin and .33%psilocin in an Amazonian strain.'
You will find that the mushroom itself has more of an effect on the end result of ingestion than most of those variables that you have suggested - if you eat potent shrooms you will trip hard, if you eat cubensis you need to eat lots to trip hard
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Zen Peddler]
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#666894 - 06/07/02 04:14 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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No.. shrooms contain more than psilocybin.. what about baeocystin? How do we know that certain species don't contain yet-to-be identified alkaloids? I don't think anyone's done a full spectrum analysis of Subaeringosa or many of the different strains of Cubensis flying around either.. so you can't say what you say with any amount of certainty. It is true set and setting affect the trip, but the species of shroom seems to be able to put its own spin on things.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#667688 - 06/07/02 02:51 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your point is stupid - on the one hand you are agreeing that mushrooms contain varying levels of alkaloids and that they may effect your experiences, but then that there is no measurable differences between strains of mushroom - which way is it?? It cant be both. Have you ever actually injested Copelandia Cyanescens, Ps.Cyanescens and varieties of Cubensis? If you have you would realise your point is not based on fact.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#668155 - 06/07/02 11:05 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no psilocybin that only makes you happy.
There is no psilocybin that only makes you sad.
There is no psilocybin that only makes you get OEVs and no mind fuck.
There is no psilocybin that is a 'bad trip' everytime.
That's all well and true but YOU are missing the point. There's more than just psilocybin in the many different species of active shrooms. Baeocystin, which is psilocybin with an extra CH3 radical is one example. And as bluemeanie said.. many many more which we know little about.
I repeat.. there is MORE than JUST psilocybin in magic shrooms. Hence trips CAN be affected differently by different strains & species. Just look at the 'psilometric scale' at erowid (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml) You'll notice that the azurenscens and semilanceata's have a higher ratio of baeocystin than other shrooms.
Set and setting do play a big part but I do also believe that different shrooms can also affect the trips due to this variation in alkaloid ratios.
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#668208 - 06/08/02 01:44 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Same goes for strains I'd imagine. As bluemeanie said there's variability in alkaloid ratios for each individual fruit let alone each strain.. concede defeat already
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#668303 - 06/08/02 03:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to say, this is one of the most interesting theads around.
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#668314 - 06/08/02 03:40 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilocybin is not the only psychoactive compound in mushrooms. Thats the point. Its the main compound, but there are quite a few others. All strains dont contain them all in the same proportion. Hence people claim different strains have different trips. I don't think there is much difference, personally, since the strains are so similar..
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#668366 - 06/08/02 04:27 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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*sigh* Okay I'm going to address all of your arguments from the start...
If you were dissapointed then eat more.
Psilocybin is psilocybin.
One strain does not give more visuals then another. All it can have is more or less psilocybin.
This is your first argument and it is clearly wrong. As we have said a few times, there are more alkaloids active in shrooms than just psilocybin so there are more variables than just a higher or lower amount of psilocybin.
The more you have, the stronger the trip.
This is not necessarily true (set and setting play a big part in this).. but it's irrelevant in this argument anyway.
yes, but various levels of them does not make it a different 'kind' of trip.. ie. a 'happy' vs a 'religous' etc..
How do you know? What do the various levels of different alkaloids do? They do something.. maybe not to the extent of making a trip happier or religious but there are noticable differences between different strains and species.
it would be the same thing as increasing or decreasing dosage..
Would it? Baeocystin isn't psilocybin.. I would like to see what a trip on pure Baeocystin is like actually... though I know it caused the death of a 7 year old - it supressed his breathing.
I dunno, it seems people here seem to think that one mushroom is a 'body high mushroom' and another is a 'sexy feeling mushroom' and yet another is the 'bad evil we all had bad trips' mushroom.. when, its really just set/setting..
I would tend to agree here that those are related to set and setting. You cannot rule out, however, different effects from different strains or species that could contribute to sending someone on a bad trip - for example, a more visual shroom could result in a greater loss of touch with reality hence increasing anxiety.
Im going to start claming any weed I smoke has random different effects even though THC = THC and the LARGER VARIABLES all reside IN YOUR BODY AND IN YOUR HEAD..
Here you are definitely wrong, because there are a huge amount of active compounds in marijuana. The biggest two being THC and CBD.. Higher CBD content resulting in a stonier couchy high, with a higher THC content resulting in a trippier up-and-go high. Indica dominant plants giving you the couchy high and Sativa dominant plants giving you that intense trippy high.
When scientifically looked at for active ingredients, it was found that psilocybin and psilocin were it. (exception: beocystin((sp?)))
So here you accept that baeocystin is also present, yet you seem to disregard this as having any subjective affect on the trip. Baeocystin isn't psilocybin as I said before...
Just because you body got 25mg(random number for point) one time
and got 25mg the NEXT does NOT MEAN your trip will be ANYTHING close to teh same in intensity, feeling, visuals etc...
Agreed, and here you contradict your earlier point on the more you take the harder you trip.
The discussion was not about the fact that if you eat more, you trip harder.
I was merely pointing out since its such a common question here at the forum that psilocybin is psilocybin
So it is. Baeocystin ain't psilocybin however is it?
one psilo containing shroom has teh same drug as another.. its not 'different'
Really? Go have a look at the psilometric scale that I linked to before. You aren't talking about strains here, you are talking about all psilocybin containing shrooms.. and the differences are documented.
I *DID* state that there was different AMOUNTS in different strains, and that yes, that could cause your trip to be different.
And I'll say it again.. there's more than just different amounts of psilocybin.. there are other alkaloids that fluctuate.
However, there is no 'lovey strain' and a 'mind trip only strain' or 'man these EQ's are pure visual and no mind trip at all!' kind of strains.
This may be quite true. Set and setting are more important here, but differences can be seen between species and between strains.
The point is taking more OBVIOUSLY screws you up and you might trip differently. but no 'strain' has any more of a feel then taking more or less of psilocybin.
Nope, see above.
There is no psilocybin that only makes you happy.
agreed.
There is no psilocybin that only makes you sad.
uhuh.
There is no psilocybin that only makes you get OEVs and no mind fuck.
right-o.
There is no psilocybin that is a 'bad trip' everytime.
mais oui.
This was th entire point im making because there seems to be a thread every 2 days started by someone who thinks equadors are always 'bad' and XXXX strain always gives happy thoughts..
If that was your point then I agree. Howeve it wasn't..
its bullshit. your body has almost ALL the variables going on that will determine what your trip is like. I have eaten 6 hits of LSD and had a GREAT time.. and they were strong as hell. I have eaten one hit and thought I was being chased by mind sucking monster..
I agree here.. your keyword being 'almost ALL the variables'.
PLEASE stick with the current argument and reread what I previously posted as I requested before.
I suggest that if you haven't already, you read this entire post
I am talking about same strain. I was also discussing cubies which was the question at hand.. I also stated the EXCEPTION was beocystin.
No you weren't. And I quote (again) 'one psilo containing shroom has teh same drug as another.. its not 'different' ' and yes you did state the exception was baeocystin but you somehow chose to forget about it.
The comparision was being made between GENERILIZED cubensis strains which DO NOT VARY that much.
What do you mean by 'that much'? The potency varies and hence it's quite probable that the ratio does as well.
Anyway.. you were right on some points but it seems your initial argument evolved.. your initial premise *was*, however, wrong.
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 Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
#671520 - 06/10/02 09:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't believe that I started all of this exitement with just one little post. funny huh 
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