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OfflineJust a Punk
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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #665189 - 06/06/02 04:54 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Mndfreeze: different species of mushrooms have varying levels of psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin in them, producing a trip with a different "feel". Different strains however, don't vary much.

To the poster: if you're not hallucinating, you're not eating enough!


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Just a Punk]
    #665339 - 06/06/02 06:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #665732 - 06/06/02 10:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Arguing whether different strains give different visuals is pointless because nobody has the exact facts needed to back up their argument, only what they think and what they've read up on sites.

However, it appears to me that not everybody gets visuals because of the way your mind is wired. I am naturally an extremely artistic person and see everything very visually, so my trips tend to be unbelievably visual on any dose, and not depending on substance. Acid I get the most visuals, shrooms also a great amount, even on pot I tend to see patterns and sometimes see open-eyed "daydreams." However, a lot of people say they've done a lot of acid and shrooms and have never seen anything at all, it was all mental. So, my theory is your brain is what decides whether you will trip visually as well. Musicians often have musical revelations on trips, from what I've seen.


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: HB]
    #665813 - 06/06/02 11:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

After reading these posts I believe that I may have not eaten enough. I think that I'll stick to the puerto ricans and just eat more next time!


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: HB]
    #666004 - 06/06/02 01:53 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #666164 - 06/06/02 03:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

LSD is LSD..

Not at all true in the way that you mean it. Sloppy manufacture can introduce levels of impurities that may affect you.



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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Swami]
    #666509 - 06/06/02 08:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

This is another one of those semi-true myths...While sloppy manufacturing can leave residual amide precursors that can detract from a trip, any other contaminant exists in such low doses that it's effect would be insignificant.

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #666622 - 06/06/02 09:26 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybin is psilocybin.
One strain does not give more visuals then another. All it can have is more of less psilocybin. The more you have, the stronger the trip.


I would have to disagree here.. I've done many high doses of normal cubies but the small amount of visuals in them hardly compare to what I saw with the Subaeringosa shroomies.. everything was visual.. blurred vision, tracers, colour shifts, spirit faces, skulls, the chesire cat, my hand morphed into a green twisted old witches hand at one point.. a friend of mine's mouth detached from their face and kept talking as it flew along, buddha faces covered the sky, chinese dragons flew around breathing fire.. This was on 15grams fresh.. In fact it was soo visual that I had to keep my eyes closed most of the time to save myself from freaking out at my inability to see normally - I could never stare at one spot longer than a quarter of a second or so, it was impossible to focus properly and everything I saw kept changing. I wonder if the subaeringosa shrooms contain some other chemicals or an extremely different ratio of alkaloids than cubies.. anyone?


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
    #666744 - 06/06/02 11:31 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #666812 - 06/07/02 02:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

there are atleast fifty alkaloids present to varying degrees in different mushrooms - the levels of these vary not only betwen mushroom species, strains within a species and even individual fruits. There is evidence that is scientific that can prove to you that these levels are variable even in different spore-races of cubensis - and this is true.
If you have grown a variety of cubensis spore-races and have tripped on each strain many times you will come to notice differences - particularly in potency.
Stamets: ' Stivje and de Meijer (1993) found .15%psilocybin and .50%psilocin in a Mexican strain and .15%psilocybin and .33%psilocin in an Amazonian strain.'
You will find that the mushroom itself has more of an effect on the end result of ingestion than most of those variables that you have suggested - if you eat potent shrooms you will trip hard, if you eat cubensis you need to eat lots to trip hard


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #666840 - 06/07/02 04:28 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #666894 - 06/07/02 06:14 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

No.. shrooms contain more than psilocybin.. what about baeocystin? How do we know that certain species don't contain yet-to-be identified alkaloids? I don't think anyone's done a full spectrum analysis of Subaeringosa or many of the different strains of Cubensis flying around either.. so you can't say what you say with any amount of certainty. It is true set and setting affect the trip, but the species of shroom seems to be able to put its own spin on things.


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
    #667428 - 06/07/02 01:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #667688 - 06/07/02 04:51 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Your point is stupid - on the one hand you are agreeing that mushrooms contain varying levels of alkaloids and that they may effect your experiences, but then that there is no measurable differences between strains of mushroom - which way is it?? It cant be both. Have you ever actually injested Copelandia Cyanescens, Ps.Cyanescens and varieties of Cubensis? If you have you would realise your point is not based on fact.


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #668126 - 06/08/02 12:00 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #668155 - 06/08/02 01:05 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

There is no psilocybin that only makes you happy.

There is no psilocybin that only makes you sad.

There is no psilocybin that only makes you get OEVs and no mind fuck.

There is no psilocybin that is a 'bad trip' everytime.


That's all well and true but YOU are missing the point. There's more than just psilocybin in the many different species of active shrooms. Baeocystin, which is psilocybin with an extra CH3 radical is one example. And as bluemeanie said.. many many more which we know little about.

I repeat.. there is MORE than JUST psilocybin in magic shrooms. Hence trips CAN be affected differently by different strains & species. Just look at the 'psilometric scale' at erowid (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml) You'll notice that the azurenscens and semilanceata's have a higher ratio of baeocystin than other shrooms.

Set and setting do play a big part but I do also believe that different shrooms can also affect the trips due to this variation in alkaloid ratios.


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
    #668161 - 06/08/02 01:17 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #668208 - 06/08/02 03:44 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Same goes for strains I'd imagine. As bluemeanie said there's variability in alkaloid ratios for each individual fruit let alone each strain.. concede defeat already


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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: _JJ_]
    #668210 - 06/08/02 03:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: good strain for visuals [Re: Barbi]
    #668303 - 06/08/02 05:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I have to say, this is one of the most interesting theads around.

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